Indian Pakistan Tensions

I don't think we've ever had a war between two nuclear powers before, which is somewhat disturbing.

Have the Indians issued any kind of ultimatum to Pakistan or anything? Or are they just going to attack them as a way of cheering themselves up?

As I understand it India holds Pakistan responsible for a number of militant Kashmiri groups one of whom is thought to be behind the recent suicide attack on the parliament in Delhi that left 13 dead.

Pakistan condemned the attack and denies any involvement. Hard- line, and not so hard-line, voices in India are calling for action against those they hold responsible holding the recent US military intervention in Afghanistan as a model. Pakistan would view this as an unprovoked attack and respond accordingly.

There has been nuclear sabre-rattling before between the two but never on this scale. Whilst around the disputed border area of Kashmir and Jammu - probably the most dangerous place on earth right now- regularly sees exchanges of gunfire between the two sides.

Hopefully sense will prevail, the alternative is too frightening to contemplate.

also, modern warfare is collossally wasteful of resources, likely to leave survivors in a substantially worse per capita position.

Indeed.

In theory, India and Pakistan have been trying to capture Dawood Ibrahim for about thirty years - he's accused of being the leader of D-Company, India's biggest organised crime ring, and involvement in everything from the 1993 Mumbai terrorist bombings to fixing cricket matches. If the rumours are true, he runs the Hindi film industry, held face-to-face meetings with Osama bin Laden while he was on the run and has the power to make or break politicians on both sides of the border. He has been in the top 3 of Interpol and the FBI's most wanted list on numerous occasions but there has always been the suspicion that Indian leaders and, without doubt, the Pakistani intelligence agencies, don't really want him to be caught as uncovering his reach would bring great tranches of the political class in both countries down. The story has usually been that he's in a shadowy lair somewhere in Pakistan's lawless border region with Afghanistan.

A TV anchor from Times Now, India's main English-language news station, just cold-called him at a home number in Karachi, only to be told by his wife that he was asleep and couldn't come to the phone:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/Dawood-Ibrahim-is-in-Karachi-his-wife-says-to-Times-Now/videoshow/48615588.cms

^apparently. A pinch of salt may be required.

wow, lol at that phone call

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Just a bit of bloody skirmishing and bloody-minded rhetoric -- until it isn't. One hopes that both sides understand that some teeth-baring posturing is OK, but a nuclear exchange is TOTALLY, UNACCEPTABLY, INSANELY WRONG.

Not even bloody - it doesn’t sound like they hit anything, despite Modi’s claims. Locals are apparently saying one person was injured rather 350 killed.

*rather than

Link? I could only find the competing Indian and Pakistani propaganda versions.

5 Israeli GPS bombs, and 4 craters well away from Jaish-e-Mohammed's camp (if we can infer from news). Not a good advertisement for Israeli export sales.

Blurb I heard about this on npr didn’t refer to modhi as a Hindu nationalist and barely mentioned the fact that an election is looming

Definitely worrying

This seems more restive soldiers than planned tit-for-tat:

Pakistan Army Violates Ceasefire Using Tanks in Sialkot Sector

Pakistan says it has shot down Indian jets after Kashmir cross-border attack

Uh oh.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/05/india-revoke-disputed-kashmir-special-status

lol we're all gonna die

what could go wrong

Yeah so..

lol we're all gonna die

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Its the people that suffer

Has arrested over 2k people, with little to no proof. Boys have vanished in overnight. Kashmiris are living a literal nightmare. https://t.co/IfcHG9KL1i

— ahsni (@reveristsadboi) April 26, 2025

Pakistan says it was attacked by India with missiles
A Pakistan military spokesperson has said India attacked Pakistan in three locations with missiles on Tuesday.

Multiple loud explosions were heard in the Pakistani Kashmir area close to the mountains around the city of Muzaffarabad after midnight on Tuesday, Reuters reports, citing multiple witnesses.

After the explosions, the city’s power was blacked out, according to the witnesses.

It comes amid escalating tensions between India and Pakistan following an attack in Kashmir last month, which left 26 Indian nationals killed and ten injured after suspected militants opened fire at a popular local tourist destination.

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pretty terrifying

ffs lads, that doomsday clock will need adjusting again.

It’s fine

I've seen some ridiculous shitbrained US melts posting that this escalation is all Trump's fault, wouldn't have happened if this was president Kamala's watch as world police. Which is just as utterly wrong and preposterously bullshit as when Trump says the Ukraine War wouldn't have started under his watch.

Well how can any regional conflict ever be analysed if not through the lens of US foreign policy.

I think Kieth was the last G7 leader to talk to Modi, so it's only fair to apportion some blame to that dickhead imo!

Yes it was India winning a ton of concessions in the UK-India trade deal that emboldened them into bombing Pakistan.

Kieth must resign.

https://www.pcb.com.pk/press-release-detail/remaining-matches-of-the-hbl-psl-x-postponed.html

PCB suspends remaining 8 matches of HBL PSL X, Indian players are being sent home.

this shit is getting serious!

right? once cricket matches are canceled...

i mean, this but unironically

I think both governments understand that Kashmir is useful for the purpose of assertions of national power, but not worth a nuclear war. The people of Kashmir have zero influence upon all this chest-beating and shit-flinging, but they're the targets of most of the shit.

Pakistan’s foreign minister says immediate ceasefire agreed
Pakistan’s foreign minister, Ishaq Dar says India and Pakistan have agreed to a ceasefire with immediate effect.

In a post on X, Dar, who is also Pakistan’s deputy prime minister, said:

Pakistan and India have agreed to a ceasefire with immediate effect. Pakistan has always strived for peace and security in the region, without compromising on its sovereignty and territorial integrity!

The cricket is back on

the apparently shite western fighter jets used by India 0
the superior Chinese fighter jets used by Pakistan 5

a whitewash in test cricket terms, it was a bad day for people who bum western military tech!

Pakistan Air Vice Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmed:

Rafale is not a bad plane. It's a very good plane, only if it’s employed well. pic.twitter.com/7uXoxFWLig

— Clash Report (@clashreport) May 11, 2025

The Pakistani air force line is that the French planes are great but the Indian pilots are not, which feels like rubbing it in, a bit.

there was a lot Indian Army clown-memeing coming from South Asian and Chinese twitter. When it comes to Beyond Visual Range air combat - I think it's the fastest weapons that win not the fastest gunslingers!