why is ILM more male-dominated than ILE?

oh please this is such a cliche. along the lines of "all those women on ILE always sharing their feelings as a cunt-airing exercise."

These threads always end badly and nothing ever gets resolved.

It can all be boiled down to a basic divide between people who like hyper hetro-masculine culture (with everything that goes with it) and those who would like to be able to have a decent conversation without being attacked for daring to have opinions on gender issues that differ from the majority.

I predict this thread will explode, sending large chunks into the stratosphere.

I like both. Thus my participation is limited and judicious.

(Oddly enough, though, every single person in here named Sarah has been lovely. And people whom I've called "Honorary Sarahs", of which I can count maybe two people, have been wonderful too.)

ha ha, yesterday's "musical" thread quickly turned into a classic rock block.

IN BIZZARO WORLD

IN BIZZARO WORLD

why are the glorious ladies of ILX so easily discouraged!! All this, "i started a thread and nobody responded so why bother" kinda stuff. Join the club! I can direct you to 50 threads i've started that nobody responded to! didn't stop me. i'm incorrigibbbbbble. i wish more female ilxors would start music thread on a whim of the OMG, I JUST HEARD THE BEST SONG variety. fuck the haterz. Nobody ever feels that way on the other boards that i go on (all of which have more women on them - I Love Books, Noize, ILE), there is no reason to be intimidated by the dorks of ILM. They are mostly toothless. Er, harmless. A large percentage of my fave posters on ILX are women, and it just seems nutz that they would go everywhere else on ILX, but fear to tread here. HERE! Home of the trembling talk talk fan!

-- scott seward (skotro...), June 21st, 2005. (scott seward)

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(Sorry, I don't have a personal ax to grind here. It just made me laugh when I looked at the ILM stats to see if I have gone up again (I'm hoping no) and saw you at #2.)

That's the problem as well: you want to see more *female* posters. I doubt a lot of women would do just that because they are female. Does that make sense? (Lame excuse, but my English is crap sometimes, especially when I have a headache the size of my belly.)

One of the reasons I post less: I listen to less music and secondly I find ILM has become less... analytical. Yes, I'm being nostalgic, but I do miss those Pop VS Rock, Rockists (hahah!), Indie Guilt,... threads. And, again, yes, I realize *I* could change that by posting those type of threads. But I'm too busy AIMing. ;-)

Then again, maybe I'm romanticising: 2002/2003 also was just the time when I got into a hell of a lot of stuff that's big on ILM, and there's nothing like a fresh convert, so maybe I'm projecting my own jadedness a bit.

1) have you heard this new album
2) cover connections
3) what new songs in x genre do you like right now
4) what is this song i'm looking for?
5) mp3 party
6) Villalobos Fabric

ILM Census: Are You Male or Female?

ILM is more male-dominated because being a music nerd is more of masculine endeavour. I know lots of girls who love music, but they're rarely into the sort "I know more about music than you do" debates and obsessive studying, dissecting, and listing of all possible facts about certain artists/records/genres that many male music nerds love. Why is this so, I'm not sure.

i can think of one way of redressing the balance, if only by losing one male poster.

You'd take a bullet for the girls?

that's a noble sentiment FREE DOM AND ETHAN(special guest stars mark bronson), but I think it would actually be counter-productive to ILX gender relations to suggest ban the one male poster with a sufficient understanding of womens' studies to bridge the gap

Btw, I didn't mean to imply I'm above the sort of music nerd behaviour I mentioned above. But for some reason it seems to be mostly a guy thing.

The gender breakdown is assumed to be 4:1 male: female across the autistic spectrum. Research has shown when considering individuals with Asperger syndrome/high functioning autism, the ratio could be as high as 15:1 (Wing 1981).

There's more recent work that suggests Asperger's is chronically under-diagnosed in women.

because up until now they've only been looking on ILM, presumably.

The gender breakdown is assumed to be 4:1 male: female across the autistic spectrum.

Also, coincidentally, the ratio of men:women on ILM.

coincidentally

I can't think why on earth women would be more likely than men to be put off by rabid idiotic internet mentalists.

music is v v homosensual

I wish I knew as much as everyone.

Jesus, people.

I can't think why on earth women would be more likely than men to be put off by rabid idiotic internet mentalists.

Me either. No, really! I mean, you're just repeating the thread question, not answering it.

I can't think why on earth women would be more likely than men to be put off by rabid idiotic internet mentalists.

Because rabid idiotic internet mentalists tend towards casual misogyny?

Jul1a hangs around some other forums that are almost all female, and I was surprised (but hardly shocked) to learn just to what degree rabid idiotic internet mentalism knows no gender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=-turfrcQY-w&feature=channel

The fact that girls can also be rabid idiotic internet mentalists does not mean that it comes in the same flavor as male-dominated internet mentalism.

Top internet mentalist issue among women: abortions vs. no abortions
Top internet mentalist issue among men: Jay-Z vs. Nas

Top internet mentalist issue among women: hottest vampire

I want to take ILM back in time and read the 20,000-post LL Cool J vs. Kool Moe Dee thread

what is an example of casual, or even non-casual, misogyny on ILM?

most of ilx is rubbish anyway, obviously, but it's probably not really true that most of the people on ILM, male or female, are insane or seriously mentally impaired. the main problem with people on ilx, if I think about it, is how ludicrously aggressive they nowadays are, in a way that would get them glassed if they did it in a pub.

stfu

(kidding, kidding)

i've been watching digg.com for the past couple years and it has a lot of casual misogyny. Kind of surprising since its mostly computer nerds/gamers/etc. it made me appreciate ilx, srsly.

That's sad!

get in the kitchen, bitch! (+309 diggs)

Many straight men want partners who remind them of themselves (show "male traits").

Many straight women want partners who remind them of themselves (show "female traits")

Or perhaps I should say "feminine" & "masculine" traits.

Honestly it's a wonder any of us exist at all.

BTW, am I the "one male poster" referred to above? If so, getting rid of me solves nothing. The balance is still quite lopsided, with or without me.

pretty sure, given the context, it's tuomas he's talking about there

But men always want to prove they're not women. Why? Doesn't their biology kindof make this ridiculous?

I saw this funny thing in a monthly comics newspaper I subscribe to that said (and I quote) "the best part about gay men is that they're not always trying to prove they're not gay".

Gender is the most ridiculous construct of the entire human race. It exists only in order that we procreate. Sure, it's chemical, sure, it's biological. And it's all a great big bunch of shite in my opinion. Who fucking cares? Be yourself, that's what I say.

Just watching that clip now Noodle, and I love it. I confess it looks familiar for some reason.

Okay watched the whole thing now, Noodle and that's just what I needed. I think I know what it's from but it doesn't matter. That's just what I needed. Thank you very much.

And it's from My Fair Lady. I knew that. Thanks once more. I'll get me coat now.

MFL's on at the theatre in Hull next month. It's one of my fave musicals, I'm gonna try to take Mrs V along.

Wow! I don't think I've seen that movie in a very, very long time. Don't even know what to make of it, really, though normally I have a deeply ingrained respect for musicals, even some Broadway stuff...there's something of my childhood in that sort of thing, though my dad was more into classical...

Now if you'll excuse me I have to disconnect my computer because some lovely (crazy?) soul has asked me to repost a fantastic British pop-punk single by the Low Numbers from 1979 on my blog, which means I have to rip it again from vinyl. Of course this doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but by god, I feel more at home here than the gay thread, that's for sure. *whew* Thanks Noodle! And may the West Side Story be with you...or I mean...whatever musical you might choose as a favourite...those things are my childhood, man.

I guess that sounds like I'm blowin' me own horn. But the fact is, I'm pissed and just about any punk record sounds really great right now.

Dude. Love you but you and me and the sauce need a trial separation,

hahahah you got it dude I know. I know. Oh god I know. But the sun is out today...and oh man...

Bimble, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that you didn't sleep, and just kept right on drinking, no?

I cannot tell a lie. But the music keeps going on and on and on and on and on and on and on

Do you know last night I dreamt I saw Rick James live? He was alive! And he only played a few songs and then he wanted money from me and I almost gave it to him, but I kept tearing up my checks I'd written..haha. He had a lot of beautiful women anyway, he didn't need me!

It was so nice to see him in a dream like that, though, really up close.

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