Plamegate countdown for the final week...

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So, unless Fitzgerald extends the grand jury, this is the week for everything to go nuclear one way or another. This collection of links and bits from Froomkin in the Washington Post makes for good reading (do the bugmenot.com thing if you have to).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I read some NY Times thing yesterday... interesting rumors about Powell's dismissal of Libby's march-to-war memo as complete nonesense not supported by intelligence. It would have been nice if he'd said something back then.

I think most Americans are more interested in fictional TV versions of the White House.. they can wrap up a story in a hour, after all. And it stars whats-her-name.

andy --, Monday, 24 October 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

"HUTCHINSON: I certainly hope that if there is going to be an indictment . . . that it is an indictment on a crime and not some perjury technicality...there were charges against Bill Clinton besides perjury and obstruction of justice."

For the record, there were two articles of impeachment against Clinton: One for perjury, one for obstruction of justice. No other charges. Hutchison, like most Senate Republicans voted "guilty" on both of them. And in a statement , she explained her vote this way: "If only the President had followed the simple, high moral principle handed to us by our Nation's first leader as a child and had said early in this episode 'I cannot tell a lie,' we would not be here today."

God loves Texas. Wasn't the Clinton impeachment viewed by some as retribution for the attempted impeachment of Nixon? So does this mean that if someone gets indicted here that the Republicans will be plotting revenge for the next 20 years?

viborgu, Monday, 24 October 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I think most Americans are more interested in fictional TV versions of the White House.. they can wrap up a story in a hour, after all. And it stars whats-her-name.

Martin Sheen.

The Ghost of Hope That Helps (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I pasted Maureen Dowd's full-frontal assault on Judy Miller in the "yellowcake" thread, but there's Cockburn in unusually good form (and calling Judy not merely a shill for PaxAmericana, but an easy gal):

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn10222005.html


"What [Times' editor] Bill Keller Keller actually wrote was the following:


'if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement with Libby, I'd have been more careful in how the paper articulated its defense and perhaps more willing than I had been to support efforts aimed at exploring compromises.'


'Entanglement' is a curiously suggestive word, given the notoriously rich and varied texture of Judy Miller's sexual resumé whose imagined contours have been the sport of newsrooms and hotel bars around the world. Certainly Miller took it that way, writing in response, 'As for your reference to my 'entanglement' with Mr. Libby, I had no personal, social, or other relationship with him except as a source.' Welcome to The Times as Pay-Per-View Reality TV....

Miller's game was the Times' game. They were witting co-conspirators. When Miller co-wrote (with Stephen Engelberg and William Broad) Germs: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War, the Times was happy to print her stories in the paper designed to push the book up into Bestseller status, in a staggering conflict of interest that earned the paper plenty of money. This, remember, was when Miller was sent that mysterious envelope of white powder that turned out not to be anthrax spores, which gave the book yet another boost.

It's way too late in the game for Times editors to start whining that Judy misled them. They printed her rubbish because they were disposed to believe it, and for Keller to turn on her now in an 'internal' memo designed for public consumption is cowardly and despicable. The gentlemanly thing for Keller to do would to keep a stiff upper lip, let Dowd and the reporters toss Miller on their horns and, if circumstances warrant, fall upon his sword, accompanied in this act by the publisher, unless the Times' shareholders shoot him first for presiding over the 53 per cent drop in profits this year.

I never cared much for the whole Plame scandal, mostly on the aesthetic grounds that outing Plame as a CIA agent seemed such a moronic way for the White House to try to discredit Joe Wilson, also because outing CIA agents is an act for which--for radicals at least--applause should be the default setting. But in that odd way that scandals acquire critical mass by dint of larger social and political discontent, the Plame scandal is severely wounding the Bush regime and the New York Times and we certainly applaud that.

And with the Times now publicly dismembering itself the scandal has at last become fun. Not as much fun as the Lewinsky scandal of course, but what scandal will ever match those magic years?"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting way to put that last part

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

And the fun REALLY begins:

I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, first learned about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the leak investigation in a conversation with Mr. Cheney weeks before her identity became public in 2003, lawyers involved in the case said Monday.

Notes of the previously undisclosed conversation between Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney on June 12, 2003, appear to differ from Mr. Libby’s testimony to a federal grand jury that he initially learned about the C.I.A. officer, Valerie Wilson, from journalists, the lawyers said.

The notes, taken by Mr. Libby during the conversation, for the first time place Mr. Cheney in the middle of an effort by the White House to learn about Ms. Wilson’s husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, who was questioning the administration’s handling of intelligence about Iraq’s nuclear program to justify the war.

Lawyers said the notes show that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile, McCarthy has just reaffirmed his belief in Fitzgerald's integrity, which should go some distance in killing any incipient trashing of him...but we'll see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

I continue to be amazed that nobody seems to have put together a satisfactory theory as to who Novak's source was. Or have I missed something in the blog barrage?

Meanwhile, the bar certainly has slipped considerably for Alexander Cockburn in top form. Does he wish to comment on Maureen Dowd, or to emulate her? Were it not for the continued great work of Jeff St. Clair, that newsletter should long ago have been rechristened CounterPinch.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

or CounterFirst-of-the-month

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.wcd.org/global_include/genesisContent/calendar/BoneThugs1a.jpg

_, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

McClellan today:

QUESTION: Back in 2003, the Vice President said publicly that he didn't know who sent Joe Wilson on the Niger mission, back in June of 2003 -- or July of 2003 -- when the person who sent him's name first became public. There now seems to be contradictory evidence that, in fact, he did know. Do you know, did he know, did he not know?

SCOTT McCLELLAN: This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation, and we're not having any further comment on the investigation while it's ongoing. That is on all questions relating to the investigation.

QUESTION: But that isn't really a question about the investigation.

SCOTT McCLELLAN: It relates to the whole issue that the special prosecutor is investigating, or looking into.

QUESTION: Well, it relates to the truthfulness of the Vice President with the American public, too, doesn't it?

SCOTT McCLELLAN: Terry, I think you're prejudging things and speculating. And we're not going to prejudge or speculate about things.

QUESTION: Does the President have confidence in the Vice President?

QUESTION: Does the President have confidence in the Vice President?

SCOTT McCLELLAN: The Vice President is doing a great job as a member of this administration and the President appreciates all that he is doing.

Talking Points is also hyping up a new Italian news story -- worth reviewing at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

SCOTT McCLELLAN: The Vice President is doing a great job as a member of this administration and the President appreciates all that he is doing.

Since saying how much he "appreciates" someone or something is Bush's primary signal of disdain (note he always greets what passes these days for tough questions from reporters with, "I appreciate the question"), I would say Cheney is basically finished.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Somehow I doubt it.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Note: "finished" does not necessarily mean "fired" or "indicted" or "transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services."

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

it means "sent to undisclosed location without dinner"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

They'll just quietly cut the power to his NSA-provided nuclear robo-heart.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001031.html

Indictment letters going out already?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

But if the indictments are sealed, it'll drag on even longer, right?

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Not given the press conference on Thursday, as alleged.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

But also this:

The indictment lists the crimes the defendant allegedly committed and describes the facts the government believes support those allegations. It is a roadmap to what the prosecution intends to prove at trial. Grand jury indictments are returned to the district court – usually to a magistrate judge – in a sealed court hearing. Indictments generally are unsealed after a defendant is arrested.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

oooo, to have both the nomination hearings and this going on at once! Bill Frist must be feeling relatively okay!

Indictments generally are unsealed after a defendant is arrested.

perp walk! PERP WALK!

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Rove makes a break for it and requires being apprehended by a SWAT team.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what Dubya's horoscope for this week was. ("Do not go outside. Trust no one. The moon is in the seventh house!")

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody also posted this on that thread:

I am a lawyer and can tell you that "sealed" indictments can mean a number of things - especially in this case.

Often times the indictments are, in fact, "un-sealed" , i.e, made public, upon the arrest and arraignment of the person named in the indictment. But they don't have to be.

Remember that this grand jury expires this friday. So unless Fitzgerald wants to empanel a new grand jury he needs to hand down indictments by then. If there are sealed indictments handed down by the grand jury in this case I would wager one of two things (that have already been reported by others, by the way): Either some of those that are to be indicted are working on plea/cooperation deals with Fitzgerald currently and by sealing the indictments he is allowing them to negotiate some sort of deal and then will dismiss the indictments against them. This may mean that the public never hears the extent of such person's complicity.

In the alternative, Fitzgerald may be planning on empaneling another grand jury to buy him time to further investigate matters and is only handing down the indictments he knows he can get from this grand jury at this time. This would allow him to empanel another grand jury without publically releasing the details of the indictments handed down by the expiring grand jury.

Of course the most-likely scenario is that the prosecutor perhaps did not want to deliver the so-called "target letters" (he is not required to do so) because of the over-whelming amount of leask that have been occuring recently and is just sealing the indictments in order to give himself time to give those named in the indictments notice thereof. Given the magnitude of the case and the press coverage related to it I wouldn't be at all surprised if this last scenario is the one that plays out. Fitzgerald seems like the type of guy who would be diplomatic and courteous in delivering the news to those indicted in order to possibly allow them to avoid the press frenzy that would ensue if he filed unsealed indictments.

But never fear........ if sealed indictments are handed down the leaks will come even more fast and furious.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

perp walk! PERP WALK!

I think the phrase you're looking for is "frog march"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

or in this case,

Look out
Look out
Pink Elephants on parade...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

its funny cuz ROVE IS GAY

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

the notoriously rich and varied texture of Judy Miller's sexual resumé

Man, the press/appointee/diplomatic corps needs to get out more. Or does she just photograph extraordinarily poorly?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Uh have you seen the press/appointee/diplomatic corps? Not exactly a glamor cavalcade ya know.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Ned. I'm going to be in America for the next couple of weeks and was hoping to catch the wave of excitement among my friends, so this renews that hope (of course, last year, I came over to celebrate the end of the Bush Presidency, and that didn't turn out too well…).

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Based on this it might not be Cheney, which actually wouldn't surprise me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

This is the most excited I've been to be American in a long, long time. Which is kind of sad, come to think of it. I've also set myself up for a horrible disappointment, like last Election Day times four.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rumor mill, it say -- wait a bit yet. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if there are no indictments even -- whatever happens does.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

another coupla photos from Yahoo's Reuters newswire:

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051026/i/r4038924512.jpg?x=380&y=286&sig=5MzvqdOxvvY250nn535lyA-- http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051026/i/r1285281954.jpg?x=380&y=241&sig=ki3KLYzjybVwR6uFpdycUQ--

hey you semiotics folks. You wanna do a BAGnewsnotes-style deconstruction of Our Teeny-Tiny Dear Leader there?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, there will be indictments. Target notification happened already, so that means something is coming (says the WaPo and CBS). Unless there's some last minute not-smoking-gun discovered.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

yeah this is no different from what was going around yesterday: that there would probably be a public statement on thursday.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

There'll be a soft indictment and hopefully they'll supersede it at some point with something more substantial.

sub-dwayne nelson (dr g), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

A soft indictment? Is that like a light, playful pat on the butt?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

A light, playful objuction of the grand jury charge to the butt.

sub-dwayne nelson (dr g), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

These indictments make me excited to be a Tennesseean!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

This is the most excited I've been to be American in a long, long time. Which is kind of sad, come to think of it. I've also set myself up for a horrible disappointment, like last Election Day times four.

-- Josh in Chicago (Vitesse9...) (webmail), October 25th, 2005. (Josh in Chicago)

OTM.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Rove makes a break for it and requires being apprehended by a SWAT team.

judging from rove's physique, i'm not sure the swat team would be necessary, but he may just have it in him to get past a cop who was too busy with his donut to notice.

tehresa (tehresa), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

But overkill is the whole concept behind the SWAT team, innit?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

do you think they'd let him yell "time out!" every time he needed to stop and catch his breath?

tehresa (tehresa), Thursday, 27 October 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

Countdown to Lamegate...

sub-dwayne nelson (dr g), Thursday, 27 October 2005 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

On the dead end of mainstream-lib schadenfreude over the possible indictments:

http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2005/10/systemic.html


From Watergate to Iran/contra to Plamegate and the lies that led to the present war, we are supposed to believe, as adults, that all this criminality is an aberration; that if we take away these lapses of governing judgment, the American corporate state would operate at a higher moral level, most likely under the aegis of the Democratic Party. As the insufferable Randi Rhodes put it on TV recently, if you value the truth, then you must be a Dem. In other words, the Dems are humanity's Final Stop. Little wonder that the likes of Rhodes and (Ed) Schultz refrain from serious analysis. They like this system just fine. They simply want those they agree with to run it instead.

This helps to explain all those libs online jumping and leaping about, gleefully anticipating a slew of indictments... That the Bush gang couldn't have gotten away with so much without the help of various Dems seems beside the point. Like the Rove clones they so despise, mainstream libs stick to a political line of their own, and will not - cannot -- entertain, much less seriously consider, any deviation, especially now.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://photo.dennisfox.net/galleries/2004/dnc1/mediafiles/l29.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

non sequiturs rool

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Trife, that should totally become this season's most-requested back tattoo.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

i already got william safire's face on my bicep

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

It's up to the Democrats now to keep the issue of the Bush administration's & Republican leadership's corruption on the simmer. It isn't like there's no ammunition, what with Libby, DeLay, Frist, and the Halliburton looting.

Their big problem is not enough major media in their hip pocket to command as Rove does his media minions. That edge is so huge in the Republicans favor it has been the difference between holding power and marginalization.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Raw Story says Bolton was involved, per flipped Hannah and Wurmser.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

From an AP story:

Bush even made light of the issue of reporter-source relationships that has been at the center of the investigation into who in his administration was responsible for leaking the name of a covert CIA operative to the media. The investigation led to Friday's perjury and obstruction of charges against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff.

When an Argentine reporter said sources told him that Kirchner planned to ask Bush for help reaching a new financial agreement on its debts with the International Monetary Fund, Bush expressed mock surprise that government officials can act as secret-leaking sources.

"I'm not going to ask you who they are, of course," Bush said, drawing laughter from the U.S. contingent in the room. "Inside joke here, for my team."

Fuckface.

elmo (allocryptic), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Might as well stick this here:

it's been a year since Dubya got re-elected

let's review:
2004
November 3: Bush Pledges To Reach Out the Whole Nation In Second Term.
Bush: “So today I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent: To make this nation stronger and better I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust. A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation.” [Link]

November 8: Federal Judge Rules Bush Overstepped Constitutional Grounds In Brushing Aside Geneva Conventions In Treatment of Detainees. [Link]

November 9: Presidential Election Revealed Major Voting System Failures. [Link]

November 17: House GOP Changes Rule Requiring Leaders To Step Down If Indicted. [Link]

November 30: Red Cross Investigation Uncovers Widespread Detainee Abuse in Guantanamo. [Link]

[......etc]

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 4 November 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

i havent been following this story so can someone just answer this quickly: how big are the chances of cheney and rove being indigted(sp?)too? i dont really know this scooter guy so i find no joy in him being destroyed.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 5 November 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

rove might be indicted, I seriously doubt they'll get cheney. oh well, maybe the republicans will loose the house and senate next year and we can impeach

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 5 November 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

lol

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 5 November 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

So this isn't necessarily over yet? That stuff earlier this week sounded sort've final, like "oh we're still investigating but ehhh you know how it goes". Or is it just that the press has no idea what's going on

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 5 November 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think there's still more to come, really. Fitzgerald announced what he had up to that point, the Libby indictment, because the grand jury expired that day. But I think he's got the bigger fish on the hook (Rove) and is checking to see whether the line or rod are strong enough to reel him in.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bush never has another full-on press conference.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 5 November 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

The New Yorker has a piece on Scooter's erotic novel. Bear-fucking pedophilia, horse-fucking, just weird, weird shit.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Saturday, 5 November 2005 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

deer-fucking, too, don't forget. this is all over wonkette, naturally.

one of the lefty blogs out there has quotations for all the other fucked up sex-scenes in rightwing books. Lynn Cheney's, Bill Oriellys, etc.

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 5 November 2005 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

I could be wrong, but my reaction to the Fitz press conference was exactly the same as John Dean's

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 5 November 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just read that Bush sent his staff to an ethics seminar! You can't make this stuff up.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 5 November 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
hahaha. "final week".

Anyhoo, Cheney told Libby to do it

Libby also indicated what he will offer as a broad defense during his upcoming criminal trial: that Vice President Cheney and other senior Bush administration officials had earlier encouraged and authorized him to share classified information with journalists to build public support for going to war. Later, after the war began in 2003, Cheney authorized Libby to release additional classified information, including details of the NIE, to defend the administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case for war.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

how come we're not talking about this more? it's big fucking news that libby sez cheney told him to do this stuff, y'all.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't he say only that his superiors (ok, that means Cheney) had authorized him to leak stuff (in the past?), but without specifying Plame? Isn't he leaving the door open to an argument that he misinterpreted an instruction, i.e. falling on his sword and leaving Cheney clear?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

"I was only following orders...ineptly."

suzy (suzy), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

it's big fucking news that libby sez cheney told him to do this stuff, y'all.

I'm waiting for him to testify under oath that that's the case, see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

uh, ned, didn't he testify as such to the grand jury?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

*reads article* Ah right. Well then I'm waiting for him to do that live on Court TV. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I care - but its all too late at this point, damage is done, etc. I'm not paying too close attention because basically all that's happening is the public confirmation of what many of us suspected several years ago. Really its just sorta depressing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

it's barely getting any media play.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

well, its like there's no audience for it. For those of us on the left, this stuff is almost a foregone conclusion. And for those on the right, they'd rather bury it - so who would the media be covering it for?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
Well, that's quite disappointing...

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

ha, i actually felt good for him

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

so they're actually going after Cheney, then?

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, do we get to speculate if he rolled now?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

let's!

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Let's not speculate. Let's gamble over it.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://slots.onlineplanetcasino.com/images/slots.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I should gamble my balls again with Rove. Turned out right the first time!

(please don't photoshop my balls onto that pic)

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, major millions' chin already looks like a pair of testicles

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Can we play Pac-Man scratch-off lotto tickets instead? those look more fun!

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

well shit. was hoping this would at least preoccupy Rove through the november elections. I'm betting he won't nail Cheney for anything, and if he does, it will be after Cheney is out of office anyway.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Jonah Goldberg is galled: "Where does Karl Rove go to get his reputation back?"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

huffington wept

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

some "outtamyarse speculation" from a daily kos poster

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

the non-wife-beating Sid Vicious weighs in.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

the Note sez to look for:

Charlie Rose — fresh off last night's return to the air and surprise party filled with Gang-o'-500 guests galore — interviewing Richard Armitage, the man who tout le Washington believes was Bob Woodward's source on Plame (and probably Novak's too). That exclusive interview occurs this very day. And you won't believe how foxy and healthy Charlie looks.

i suppose this is a good place as any to Note (sorry) that the dude looked vaguely Clooneyesque last night

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

glad to know he's foxy. Did he sing or not?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/clooney-edinburgh11.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

some more informed speculation here

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh and i only caught the tail end of dick-on-charlie last night but it seemed like he made no news

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh why not

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2004_Ocean

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

karl's rove ass, as the subject of white house press exchanges

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

christ, they should all be shot.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't matter anyway, Bush will end up pardoning anyone and everyone tied to this case as he walks out the door, especially if the GOP lose the Whitehouse.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, probably.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)


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