― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)
Somebody posted a long explanation about how it is a celebration of government corruption, which is of course wrong.
But that's not what Fitzmas is. Fitzmas is a celebration of justice being done against all odds.
And what is wrong with that?
― Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)
Also, whatever comes out of all this is only going to be a pale, watery version of "justice." The only important thing about the whole case -- and the reason I'm glad it's come this far -- is the re-evaluation and reconstruction of all the deceptions in the lead-up to the war. So I'm happy for that. But it's not like Don Rumsfeld's going to lose his job or anything.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)
Let's look at what Fitzmas is in the eyes of those using the term: a bringing of justice to an administration who...- Used lies to launch an unjust war- Cover up those lies with treasonand on top of THAT...- Clinton-esque perjury and obstruction of justice
In other words, Fitzmas, although juvenile as gypsa mothra pointed out, is a celebration of the bringing to justice of VERY SERIOUS matters. So, what is wrong with being vindictive, uncivil, and partisan?
Were people who celebrated the capture of Saddam Hussein vindictive, uncivil, and partisan? The downfall of Hitler?
What is the appropriate response to this?
"Ho hum, it appears there have been some indictments in the government. This will be a good time to indulge myself in some green tea and perhaps listen to some Michael Bolton."
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 October 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)
The miracle of Fitzmas (Christmas...) is the day, probably today, that Fitzgerald will bring indictments against people in the administration.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)
― Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
to be honest i'm still not sure what you're talking about... examples? (not from this thread please... and not from blogs either if possible)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)
Here is pretty much a summary of what Fitzmas is, all of it exclusively limited to a few popular liberal blogs:
- Somebody photoshopped a Santa hat onto a picture of Fitz writing and captioned it "he's writing a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice" (I lol'd)
- A couple parodies of Christmas carols
- The word used as a synonym for indictments in conversation ("Think Fitzmas will be tomorrow?")
How shameful! Vindictive! Partisan! Uncivil! Completely unprecedented!
Why does political discourse have to be so serious all the time? I am loving this.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)
Your general point about Fitzmas being stupid is totally OTM, but if you think this schadenfreude is more shameful than what was going on during the Lewinsky thing you're just flat-out wrong. I remember tut-tutting about oral sex from a bunch of wacked out nutjobs. I remember talking heads, pols, and average joes alike screaming bullshit about the rule of law. I remember my republican co-workers CHEERING when the articles of impeachment were return because they had "finally nabbed that draft-dodging bastard." The coverage of the whole *thing* was unfair.
(dammit xpost that shoots my whole point since ethan was talking about something else I guess but I'm posting this anyway)
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)
Fitzmas is nothing but a nerdy little joke by politically obsessed people who live and breathe politics about a very, very serious matter. And what's wrong with that?
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)
the left delighted in watergate, if that's what you mean. but i suppose we should concern ourselves with that shamefulness, and not the attorney general threatening (vaguely sexual) violence against the publisher of the major newspaper on the story. or, you know, the lawbreaking for political ends.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)
Um, no. They wanted him beat up, but still President. Which is what happened. They didn't sympathize with him as much as do what they always do with celebrities in scandals--they shamed him and forgave him while feeling all superior and good about themselves for doing so.
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)
This thread reminds me of the right wing talking point, constantly used by National Review:
"Yeah, we said something that is pretty much explicitly racist, this is true. BUT, look at how the left is shamelessly launching a character attack against us using said quote! That is the true story here. The real bigots are the intolerant left and how they squelch all dissent. My mom is making me go clean my room, but when I get back look forward to an enlightening essay on how the left are neo-Trotskyite fascists."
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)
In the wake of the House of Representatives' approval of two articles of impeachment, Bill Clinton's approval rating has jumped 10 points to 73 percent, the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows.
That's not only an all-time high for Clinton, it also beats the highest approval rating President Ronald Reagan ever had.
At the same time, the number of Americans with an unfavorable view of the Republican Party has jumped 10 points; less than a third of the country now has a favorable view of the GOP.
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)
Whereas prosecuting officials for outing a CIA noc for political revenge against somebody who pointed out evidence that the goverment had lied to the public about the necessity for a war . . . well, seems like a different kettle of fish, wouldn't you say?
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
(xpost - true dat!)
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)
and no, 'fitzmas' is not funny. its a pun. they rarely are.
― foxy boxer (stevie), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)
You're acting as if Harry Reid is posing on the steps of Congress with a "FITZMAS ACCOMPLISHED" banner and drafting legislation to make Fitzmas an official holiday.
Can I remind you that it's nothing but a joke on a few blogs? Hell, some of the people who clicked on this thread and decided to post here didn't even know what "Fitzmas" is. Look at how many people are even posting on this thread. Only a tiny handful of the people who post on ILE even care enough about Fitzmas to open up the conversation. Will you even remember this a few years down the road? Have some reason, man.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
Perhaps not an x-post.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
1) It makes utterly no sense2) black guy/gimpy guy arch being the only means of communication through 99% of the film3) Salma Hayek's ass4) Yeah mechanical spiders, wtf?
It's somewhat better than Around the World in 80 Days but that film had Jackie Chan.
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)
― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)
"I m doind a projest on the Black widow spider and Tarentula Hispanica Could anyone help me with good pictures of these spiders and or information in there feeding habitat mating etc many thanks DJPERRY" http://www.atshq.org/search/searchindex.dat
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)
― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)
― So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)
ok, found it. This was posted on the Tuesday after Kanye's appearance.
...The big question will be how the Grammys receive "Late Registration," an album that's landed him on the cover of Time magazine. How will the awards judges handle all the samples and guest appearances?West's big hit single, "Diamonds From Sierra Leone," is completely based on Shirley Bassey singing "Diamonds Are Forever." The song was written by James Bond composer John Barry.The rest of "Late Registration," while very entertaining, contains almost no original compositions.[...]Will all these people be listed as Grammy nominees when the time comes? If there are winners, will they all be included? That's something I'd like to see."Late Registration" is fun to listen to, but in many ways it's a con job. It's a clip job, too.Try to imagine Marvin Gaye not composing all of "What's Going On?" but splicing together other people's music and recordings over which he'd chant his musings. He would have been laughed out of the business.But times have changed. We have Alicia Keys, Anthony Hamilton, Legend and just a few R&B performers who can actually create music. The rest has to be a clever construction....
West's big hit single, "Diamonds From Sierra Leone," is completely based on Shirley Bassey singing "Diamonds Are Forever." The song was written by James Bond composer John Barry.
The rest of "Late Registration," while very entertaining, contains almost no original compositions.
[...]
Will all these people be listed as Grammy nominees when the time comes? If there are winners, will they all be included? That's something I'd like to see.
"Late Registration" is fun to listen to, but in many ways it's a con job. It's a clip job, too.
Try to imagine Marvin Gaye not composing all of "What's Going On?" but splicing together other people's music and recordings over which he'd chant his musings. He would have been laughed out of the business.
But times have changed. We have Alicia Keys, Anthony Hamilton, Legend and just a few R&B performers who can actually create music. The rest has to be a clever construction....
― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)
― J (Jay), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)
My sources are relaying to me information that may be very good news re: the Plame Case.Although I cannot substantiate this info 100%, I am receiving this from sources very close to the investigation and grand jury: No indictments for Rove, Libby or any member of the administration.Pobable indictments for Vallerie Plame, Joseph Wilson and one as yet unknown high ranking Congressional Democrat. No wrong doing or misuse of intelligence on the part of the administration. Possible criminal conduct in an attempt to smear the White House on the part of Congressional Democrats, Plame and Wilson.(Again, take this with a grain of salt but this is what I am hearing from my sources and the D.C. grape vine)
No indictments for Rove, Libby or any member of the administration.
Pobable indictments for Vallerie Plame, Joseph Wilson and one as yet unknown high ranking Congressional Democrat.
No wrong doing or misuse of intelligence on the part of the administration.
Possible criminal conduct in an attempt to smear the White House on the part of Congressional Democrats, Plame and Wilson.
(Again, take this with a grain of salt but this is what I am hearing from my sources and the D.C. grape vine)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)
But yeah, some of 'em are REALLY out there. Another example, google the folks who rant on about "deliberate childlessness."
― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 28 October 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Friday, 28 October 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)
On Friday, Fitzgerald was supposed to indict Karl Rove. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were going to be named unindicted co-conspirators. Maybe Condoleezza Rice, too. Who knew – maybe even Clarence Thomas. There was even talk of a posthumous indictment for Nixon.
It was going to be Fitzmas Day! (Which is much like Christmas except instead of having her baby in a manger, the woman has a late-term abortion.) Oh, it was hard to fall asleep on Fitzmas Eve!
But Friday came, and only Irve Lewis Libby was accused of committing any crimes. They were all crimes like perjury and obstruction of justice, personal to Libby, unrelated to the administration.
Fitzmas sucked. Instead of GI Joe and Mr. Machine, all Democrats got was a lousy cardigan sweater.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47194
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)
― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)
And what makes you think it's over? That was only the first day of Fitzmas. Rove is still under investigation, and that's a fact. Plamegate isn't over, not by a long shot.
― Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)
A+++ FAST SHIPPING GREAT SELLER WOULD BUY FROM AGAIN
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
― $#@!!!, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)
― dali madison's nut (donut), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)
― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 29 December 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)
― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 December 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)
― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 December 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Friday, 30 December 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)
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― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)