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man, the prez of Iran sure knows how and when to talk some shit!

― msp (mspa), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew condemned the comments in a strongly worded statement. "We are in the 21st century. Canada will never accept such hatred, intolerance and anti-Semitism. Never," the statement said.

― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

can we do the anti-israel vs anti-semitic thread now? slow day at work

― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

President Ahmadinejad sure is a fun-loving, easy-going guy, isn't he?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

no, actually he seems quite serious and hostile

― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

what did he say?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

He said Israel should be "wiped off the map".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4378948.stm

Wot a knob.

― uptoeleven (uptoeleven), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Yup. I think it's called playing to his base. Christ, we really have a sorry bunch of people in international leadership positions right now, don't we?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue09/reviews/chaplin/pic18.jpg

― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

all this excitment over redistricting

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

He was taken out of context!

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 October 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

that was a jpg of chaplin with the globe in the great dictator

― _, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

And now, this:

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

I was speaking with a persian buddy of mine a couple weeks ago and we were both showing interest in the guy, if not admiration. Now this! Of course, he was speaking to a group of radicalized students; had he been speaking to Mark McGrath on ET, it might have come out different.

― andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Christ, we really have a sorry bunch of people in international leadership positions right now, don't we?

Jon Stewart said as much this almost two years ago. Talking about something Tony Blair did(i think), he wondered, "Is it just me, or is every major national figure a complete dick right now?"

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

have we bombed Libya back to the stone age yet?

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

http://dgvalent.com/images/Friends/Randazzo/Fred%20Flintstone.jpg

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

"back"

― F. Flintstone (scarlet), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Jon Stewart said as much this almost two years ago. Talking about something Tony Blair did(i think), he wondered, "Is it just me, or is every major national figure a complete dick right now?"

Yeah. On another thread a while ago I was holding out some hope for Lula da Silva, but that was before the big Brazilian corruption scandal. Maybe it's naive to think it's ever been much different, but we seriously seem to be lacking in leaders of good brains and good will. Can anyone point me to a mostly admirable president or prime minister? Manmohan Singh, possibly? (I don't pay enough attention to India to know.) Bertie Ahern? Zapatero? Are any of these guys any good?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thunt.net/archives/050-kruschev.jpg

WE WILL NIKE YOU!

― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

The Irish lady wasn't bad.

― andy --, Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

The White House said the comment showed the US was right to be concerned about Iran's nuclear programme.

haha oh yes of course - leader makes ridiculous comment = he is building a nuclear programme. i mean COME ON.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

i mean, of course his comment is alarming and cause for concern, but does not automatically preclude that they are going to nuke israel as soon as they are able, right? i sure hope so...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

spain and brasil have vaguely supportable administrations

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

and we could always do the venezuela thread (slow day at work)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

The Irish lady wasn't bad.

who, Dana?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

i read that as "spam"

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

http://orangecow.org/pythonet/pics/mp212-17.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

er, sorry but hasn't the destruction of israel been iran's stated aim since like 1979? as for the nuclear programme, ok it was tacky of the US to bring it up off the back of this (maybe) but you think they AREN'T up for joining the club?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Ah, the luxurious leather sofas of the Nuclear Club.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Can anyone point me to a mostly admirable president or prime minister? Manmohan Singh, possibly? (I don't pay enough attention to India to know.) Bertie Ahern? Zapatero? Are any of these guys any good?

Xanana Gusmão, perhaps?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Hugo Chavez to thread

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 27 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

i recommend this guy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3554626.stm

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Thursday, 27 October 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure that Iran is going to lose much sleep over this. Canada is the least intimidating country in the world, with it's own airforce.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

I recommend michael grant

I have heard him say a lot worse, than this

; )

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

read some analysis of this suggesting that this is ahmadinejad showing his teeth internally, even to the clerical/juridical establishment. cw was that his election was the end of the double gov't under khatami and it would be all ayatollah all the time. but if he can kick off a minor int'l incident (right as the UN could possibly drop sanctions) well then he's still a player.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

i'd like to laff at this but a nuclear armed iran scares me more than just about any other possible world event.

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

C'mon, anyone who even considered nuking Israel would be wiped off the map, they have one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world!

― nf, Friday, 28 October 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

The point isn't whether anyone's going to nuke Israel, it's what it says about Iran that the new president is indulging in this old-school kill-the-jews stuff. There was a period there in the '90s where it seemed like the liberalization of Iran was inevitable, and in recent years that has seemed less and less true. It's very depressing.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

NO-ONE RAISED AN EYE BROW WHEN THE JEWS WIPED PALESTINE OF THE MAP. THE PALESTINIANS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO TAKE BACK THEIR COUNTRY AND NOT PARTS OF IT.........................RIGHTLY SO ISREAL MUST AND HAS TO BE WIPED OUT.

― J J, Friday, 28 October 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

You're funny.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 October 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Just produce a map which doesn't show Israel, problem solved.

― Matt (Matt), Friday, 28 October 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

A clarification:

Ahmad Nateq Nouri, a senior conservative cleric and member of the Expediency Council who spoke at the ceremony, also played down the president's comments, saying: "What the president meant was that we favor a fair and long-lasting peace in Palestine," the Iranian Student News Agency reported.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Scott McClellan couldn't do better.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 29 October 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

There was a period there in the '90s where it seemed like the liberalization of Iran was inevitable, and in recent years that has seemed less and less true. It's very depressing.
-- gypsy mothra (meetm...), October 28th, 2005.

i don't mean to be an apologist for a shitty authoritarian theocracy, but come on, it's not like every other country in the free world hasn't swung pretty fucking far to the right post-90s!!

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

I know, I'm depressed about all of them.

Fortunately, I live in one where you can still buy beer.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

...and women can still dress like prostitutes.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Some things are worth fighting for.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

i dont know how to say this w/o getting flamed--but am i the only one who thinks that israel in that place does more harm then good, and perhaps the UN made a mistake w/its creation?

― anthony, Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Well... picking a location based on a book of fictions is a recipie for disaster, innit...?

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 29 October 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

I think the circumstances of the creation of the state of Israel, when subjected to sober analysis sometime far enough in the future that it's possible to do so, will be viewed with a great deal of retrospective regret.

None of which has much to do with or in any way excuses the Iranian thugocracy, who are just doing the same ol' same ol' of rallying the faithful against the Enemy.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

(and Israel is hardly alone in having problematic state origins in that part of the world -- or most parts of the world)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

i dont think that iran is right here at all, but i also think that perhaps israel off the map might not be a bad idea

adn jimmy its mythology and religion, more powerful then the nf/f dichtomoy

― anthony, Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, Israel off the map isn't an option. And it's not like the rest of the region gives you much hope that modern Palestine would be a particularly great place to live minus the Zionists. People gotta learn to live together. It shouldn't be so goddam hard. But as long as jackasses like Ahmadinejad or bin Laden (or Sharon, sure) can get political mileage out of demonizing the Other, they'll be a force to contend with. And as someone noted up above, the Demonizers have been in ascent worldwide. Which Yugoslavia really should have alerted us to 15 years ago, that the New World Order was really going to be a bunch of reheated Old World Tribalism.

Sucks, though. But, you know, maybe things will be better in 10 years. Worth sticking around to find out.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

how do you get israel "off the map" without using the iranians' ahem proposed methods? ask nicely? move the whole thing to oklahoma?

besides, even though the pre-zionist jewish/arab mix in the levant is a hotly debated bit of history, the idea that israel does not "belong" there isn't right either. SW/Cent. asia and north africa had huge jewish populations (baghdad was 1/3 jewish before the 40s) that all flooded into israel. it's not a completely european or even "western" imposition, demographically.

― geoff (gcannon), Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

you may joke about oklahoma, but the canadian government offered them large swathes of saskatchewan post wwii.

i know about all this geoff.

― anthony, Saturday, 29 October 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

when they passed on the large swathes of saskatchewan did the canadian govt decide to keep it after all or give it back to the native americans they stole it from?

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 29 October 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

whatever the "crimes of zionism" (which i don't think even most israeli right wingers would deny - no one believes the country was empty, except for israel's american partisans) the point is that they have no connection to iran/ahmedinejad's jew-hatred. i really don't think it does. these are irrationalist motivations. the erasure of israel is not a "goal" in real terms; if it were somehow committed it wouldn't get iran any material benefit, it's fantasy. only they're serious.

― geoff (gcannon), Saturday, 29 October 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

I for one think that Ahmadinejad's comments may be a little more calculated than what it may seem. If he keeps on provoking the West as he has well started, it may eventually end up in a preventive strike on Iran by the US and possibly Israel, which in turn would give him enough national support and leverage to shift the internal power balance away from the clerics and into his hands. If you consider the fact that he recently reformed Tehran's police so that they all new recruits are essentually approved through his office, there may be reason to believe that he's brewing a coup down the line.

― Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 29 October 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm hesitant to believe this Sask. thing. I've never heard of anything like that -- Anthony, where did you read that?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 29 October 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Would it be wrong to blanket the region with a "they deserve to die" comment?

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Saturday, 29 October 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

fairly wrong, yes

― Matt (Matt), Saturday, 29 October 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

bah

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Saturday, 29 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

i dont know how to say this w/o getting flamed--but am i the only one who thinks that israel in that place does more harm then good, and perhaps the UN made a mistake w/its creation?
-- anthony (anthony.easto...), October 29th, 2005.

are you thinking madagascar would be a better idea?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 31 October 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

how do you get israel "off the map" without using the iranians' ahem proposed methods?

did yer man actually say what he meant by "removing Israel from the map"? I would quite like if I opened a world atlas tomorrow to find there was no Israel there, but instead a new country, The Happy Republic of Palestine Where People People Of All Faiths Including Jews, Christians, And Muslims Enjoy Full Civil & Religious Rights And Get To Play With Hyraxes All Day Long (this would be its official title). On the other hand, I suspect that Mr Iranian President is thinking more in terms of ethnic cleansing.

Did he say anything about means, or is this the usual "Country X must be destroyed!" thing that people rhetorically say every so often?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Middle Eastern demagogue in rabble-rousing rhetoric shockah!

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Iran in State-sponsored anti-Israel rabble rousing rally shockah.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this, as Jena was saying, above. The Iranian president - along with most Middle-Eastern demagogues - appears to absolutely love the suffering of the Palestinian people, and are more than happy for it, and the status quo, to continue.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 31 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article323336.ece

Iran has one of the only condom factories in the Middle East, and actively encourages contraception as a means of family planning. Sex education for married couples and major advertising campaigns helped Iran to slow its booming population growth.

― _, Monday, 31 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

that's funny... one thing you notice about the rest of the Middle East is that they love their children.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

thats funny comin from a dude named dirty vicar

― _, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

well, now we know what he meant by "off the map"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html

is this what we get for electing a leader with wacky views? other countries start putting their wackies on the table, too?

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 December 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

this starts out on-point, but then swiftly veers off-point. the internal power balance is already in ahmadinejad's hands, in that the secular branch can get away w/ pretty much whatever it wants to as long as it's not stepping on the clergy's feet.

this is more like the kim jong il / bob dornan school of diplomacy

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 December 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

Considering how many non-European Jews there are in Israel by now, his idea makes um, even less sense than it already did.

― *Jazz Douchebag* Berman (Hurting), Friday, 9 December 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust

I know I'm nitpicking here, but this subhead is really wrong. He DOUBTS the Holocaust. He does not CAST DOUBT on it.

― *Jazz Douchebag* Berman (Hurting), Friday, 9 December 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

haha good call

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 9 December 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

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