n/a said:
you seem to feel that if you start a thread, you somehow OWN it and are entitled to some kind of control over where the thread goes. Hence, you start a "SERIOUS THREAD" and get annoyed when people start to take it less than seriously.
And what's wrong with thinking that? I *DO* think that the person who starts a thread specifies what the thread topic is, and has a right to object and/or ask for the derailers to start their own thread if the thread goes seriously off topic.
i.e. if you have requested a thread to be serious, then you do have an expectation that the thread should remain serious.
I do think that thread starting signifies a kind of ownership or at least guidance. Otherwise, what's what the point of setting topics at all?
I don't think this "ownership" extends to forbidding discussion of your topic that you may not agree with. But it does extend to curtailing digressions which fundamentally change the character of what your topic was if it destroys the original.
I will probably regret starting a thread on this topic at this time of day, but still. I think it highlights a fundamental difference in character of various factions of ILX.
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
You can feel this way, but how do you intend to do this? How is it even possible to enforce this? (Hint: it's not.)
― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)
And I say this as someone who's started threads both serious and deliberately stupid, and who's happily derailed or re-railed threads...
Also, some threads start serious and get way the fuck out to weirdsville. Wanna see how? Start a thread on Intelligent Design or Religion and see what happens when a certain poster shows up to add his obviously Divinely inspired genius...
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)
OMG see what happens when somebody disagrees with you!!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)
You can't enforce anything. You can only request - politely or not so politely - that people take digressions elsewhere.
I mean, I have started, in the past year or so, to do this myself, as a matter of common courtesy. That if I catch myself going off on a unwanted digression, I'll take it to another thread. It just seems polite to me.
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)
I mean, to liken it to a conversation, if you started a conversation with a friend, and saying "look, in all seriousness, I've been having trouble with X, have you ever had this happen to you, what did you?" how would you react if your friend just started interrupting with random inappropriate jokes?
But ILE threads aren't conversations with a friend!
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)
it totally depends on how nebulous that topic is. some of the greatest threads are great because they sprawled off-topic and into strange new territories.
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)
it's the random pictures that fuck with my head.
anyway, i don't care who owns what thread, it's a totally abstract concept if you ask me. i couldn't give a flying monkey with a tennis racket if someone changed the topic of my thread. there's more in life to worry about than somebody talking about the wrong thing in a big long list of stuff shared by like 3000 people on the internet.
― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)
xpost That's funny! See, like, monkeys DON"T NORMALLY PLAY TENNIS BUT NOW THEY ARE.
-- giboyeux (in....), November 10th, 2005 10:17 AM. (skowly) (later)
Alright, who's going to be the first to post a funnye picture of a monkey cowboy riding on a dog's back?
As an aside: can we formalize some kind of ILx-specific Godwin's law that deals with the certainty of all threads eventually succumbing to a blizzard of silly gag pictures?
-- giboyeux (in....), November 10th, 2005 10:14 AM. (skowly) (later)
― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)
uhm, i was referring more to someone arguing in completely bad faith, not necessarily disagreement
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)
― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
I think that a lot of us post for either a) information we just don't have or b) clarification/justification of information we already have. If the thread doesn't provide one of these when we thought/hoped/planned that it would, then we get somewhat annoyed. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't ALLOW the snipers to throw in quick one-line answers. We all do that at some point or another, or we would all be FAR TOO FUCKING serious. But, frequently, there is a tipping point in threads where democracy just becomes untenable and the snipers run out of things to snipe at and start shooting at themselves, thus making the real point afraid to reemerge.
Far too well-developed a metaphor. But whatever.
― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
OTM
― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)
If you want most people to respect the topic of a thread you've started, you have to husband the thread by posting consistently on it, yourself. Otherwise, whomever posts there will determine its direction and tenor.
This is what I DOOOO. Or at least try to.
That's not what I'm talking about - see, when that happens, it's great. It's the descending into faffing about... like this thread is in danger of doing right now if i don't hit submit before another 10 answers.
Anyway, it's poxy fuling now so I'll try to hit one more thing...
Yes, see this is the sort of thing that I'm talking about. For example, any time anyone tries to have a serious discussion of religion, for example. I know, trying to have serious discussions of religion is fuel for horror. But when you say "this is a thread *about* religion, if you are religious - NOT a religion: classic or dud thread" and then you still get the ranting squad.
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)
― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
...and then you've got your attention seeking vandals. Please get your attention elsewhere.
― Streatham's Paisley Princess (kate), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)
this thread got owned.
― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)
― stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)
― stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)
― amon (eman), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)
― This Field Left Blank (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:28 (twenty years ago)
xpost to Jess: I have a job, too. And school. And I'm my mom's caretaker. I recognize that your method of escape might be different from my method of escape, but when it comes to interacting with other individuals (which posting on a message board is -- I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but message boards usually are populated by people, right?), I try my hardest not to vent out my frustrations at them. And Jess, I respect you a heck of a lot more than I respect other individuals on this board, because you at least had the decency to tell me what you felt about/toward me, in clearcut and forthright terms.
xpost to Blount: Finding oneself to be more grown-up than a group of individuals who choose to address things in a method typically chosen of teenagers != "narcissism".
― This Field Left Blank (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)
― This Field Left Blank (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)
This thread has interested me, despite being a dead duck from the start, since any such 'entitlement' as is being discussed (or requested) can have no practical effects.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Two-Faced Psycho) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
I'm not even gonna touch the rest of this shit. jbr otm.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)
― bato (bato), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)
― howell huser (chaki), Monday, 14 November 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)
― Laura H. (laurah), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)
He also did stencils, right?
― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302448.html
― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 14 November 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)
kenan you're an idiot. Morbius get the fuck off my thread.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:02 PM (3 minutes ago)
you might as well be asking that people only post if they agree entirely with your views (this is not directed at anyone in particular).
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:15 PM (3 years ago)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:09 (seventeen years ago)
ha, people's problems with you have nothing to do with your views and everything to do with the way you refuse to actually try to discuss anything until AFTER being called out as a miserable bastard. You show up somewhere and consistently, never fail, drop a dismissive one-liner. Then somebody says OH GOD DAMMIT MORBIUS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. Then you come back and say "I was just remarking blah blah blah, I actually agree with X Y Z, but don't understand why G thinks E is F in 2008."
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:53 (seventeen years ago)
Ha, I forgot that Dee the Lurker coined "Excelsior Syndrome."
― jaymc, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)
Kate, what about people who revive threads? Do they have the same kind of "ownership" over them? Lots of times when I revive, it's merely to throw the thread back onto the New Answers page and then stand back and see what happens.― jaymc (jaymc)
;_;
― creator of 2008's most successful meme (velko), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:07 (seventeen years ago)
this thread =
― ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:16 (seventeen years ago)
what's interesting is that after someone tells another to GTFO they don't have to. what a world.
― goole, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)
You show up somewhere and consistently, never fail, drop a dismissive one-liner.
I know my place. Discussing economics -- you'll sooner find me at a techno fest.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:24 (seventeen years ago)
ie, consider it my equivalent to "Spielberg sucks."
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:27 (seventeen years ago)
The topic of which I claim ownership is:guinea pigs
― Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:40 (seventeen years ago)
SOLD!
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:46 (seventeen years ago)
Okay, no one else go claiming they own threads about guinea pigs. I shall let no man or woman post a flag in the caviary.
― Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:48 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.rushmorecaviary.com/sitebuilder/images/Cavy0067-303x221.jpg
RC SCOOTIE PIE U R MIEN NOW
― Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 18:49 (seventeen years ago)