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i like this girl, she has a bf, but they are negotioning non monogomy. we have gotten closer, and she said that as a friend she would consider me a roomate...

i want more.
shes across country.

anthony, Saturday, 12 November 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Get her to send you sexual favours.

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Saturday, 12 November 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

this is most unusual.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Certainly, it sounds a rum old do.

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm confused (or dumb, take your pick): you want more, she wants sex, but wants you as just a roommate?

Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Saturday, 12 November 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

You want more but you get less
This already is a mess

Seriously, unless her boyfriend holds all the power in the relationship and the negotiated non-monogamy is something he's foisting on her, I'd stay away. Anyone who's gung-ho about that sort of arrangement is going to cause you pain.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, who knew you liked girls???!!! SO CONFUSED.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

uh yeah, when did this happen!

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Saturday, 12 November 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

er, anthony's always been multi/poly, has anyone ever doubted this?? although this situation may be taking it too far, i mean it's one thing to like boys, another to like boys and girls and who knows what else, but quite another to be wrapped up in someone who doesn't live in your town and also has a boyfriend, yikes!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, just try not to screw up this girl's life just because you want sex with her, ok? That's a good lad.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

That is as nasty and unjustified a comment as I've seen in a while here - patronising, making up motives and damning someone for them. Really viciously hateful.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Feel my hateful fangs.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

just try not to screw up this girl's life just because you want sex with her, ok?

though, y'know, if everybody just followed this rule, the world might a nearly okay place to be.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

No one would get laid.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Certainly, it sounds a rum old do.

-- Alba (albab...) (webmail), Today 8:46 AM. (Alba) (later
wtf?

sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Well it does a bit.

Anthony, I think you need to be really sure how much you want more.

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

i dont really want to fuck her, though that would be nice...i want a realtionship


and she is in the middle of sorting out monogomy w. her bf...

and roommates as in, friends, it would be nice to have you round lots.

and not exactly multi/poly--queer is the word i use (and she is too--i mean thats a big part of this, she refuses to self-id irt sex, gender or oreintation--my assumed vulva would fit perfectly into her theoritical phallus--and already has.)

anthony, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

i want a realtionship

Then this has the potential to get really disgustingly horrible for you, especially with the boyfriend around. Does "non-monogomy" mean "we're free to fuck other people" or "I don't mind you getting intimately emotionally involved with someone else"? Because that's a massive grey area I wouldn't want to go near.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

"my assumed vulva would fit perfectly into her theoritical phallus--and already has"

and id walk home alone
but my faith in love is still devout...

JD from CDepot, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

i dont exactly want to go near it myself matt, im feeling really pulled towards her...

trainwreck ahoy?

anthony, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

It's distinctly possible.

Is the monogamy negotiation in her current rl'ship the beginning of the end for that though?

Matt (Matt), Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

she really i think wants a triad, she wants more fludity then her bf is allowing, and her bf while willing to negotiote, and understanding of her desires away from strait jackets, and wanting to devolep something more, is confused...the triad though is whats up for negotion...and i havent made my intentions clear (and they both have candiates)

this was alot easier before judith butler and michel foucault wasnt it?

alot fucking easier before things like assuming the phallus and negoitoed non monogomy...

and when gender roles/sex roles were prescribed

anthony, Saturday, 12 November 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Call me a fuddy-duddy, but if someone wanted that kind of "fluidity" I'd be outa there. Open-relationship=pain. As I said up top, it's almost always one person foisting it on the other, who for some reason doesn't have leverage. There may be people on this planet who don't mind sharing the person they love, but I haven't met them. Met a lot of people putting on an act, but you can only keep it up for so long.
Stay away from this mess, before someone puts antifreeze in your gatorade.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

I have to disagree Beth - I know quite a few poly people and some of them seem to make a very good go of genuine 3-way (or more) relationships.

Interestingly it *seems* to usually be a guy and 2 women, and sure Ive seen it implode nastily too, but it can work. A friend of mine in London has 2 partners; his wife (who he lives with) and his gf who lives nearby, and they're all cool with that.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

That said, you HAVE to be mature and very communicative about this shit, or it will blow up big time.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 13 November 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

As with any relationship prob? "I've seen monogamous couples who seem to make a very good go of it, but sure I've seen it implode nastily too", right? ;)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Sunday, 13 November 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Well hell yeah of course :)

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 13 November 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ebsqart.com/Art/78/18055/DangerWillRobinson_275_275.jpg

Fetchboy (Felcher), Sunday, 13 November 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine in London has 2 partners; his wife (who he lives with) and his gf who lives nearby, and they're all cool with that.
They say. Wait and see. I can't help but think that the women putting up with it came into the arrangement pre-damaged by some fucked-up childhood family dynamic. I have two dear friends who shared a man once. They were both MISERABLE, but in social situations they put on a brave face.
Of course monogamous relationships can go bad—we go so wilfully deaf, dumb & blind in the rapture of courtship. But most of us wouldn't exist if this wasn't so.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 13 November 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, critical theory is an interesting parlor-game for analysis of relationships, but a pisspoor roadmap

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Damn fucking straight.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

my few cents:

Anthony, you like the complicated, potentially messy trainwrecks, right? I think you already know what you want to do.

Yet Aimless is right. (Martin is being overly-dramatic and a little weird.)

Beth is right too, but Anthony knows "Open-relationship=pain" and I think he is looking in a queer masocistic sort of way. Maybe the girl is too?

Mature is the wrong word. It takes maturity to be monogamous.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Tommy otmmy.

KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

"and when gender roles/sex roles were prescribed"

If you look at it from a biological or religious view these were prescribed at the first existence of humans. Only certain philosophy unprescribed them.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Beth, excuse me for saying but you seem to be projecting or assuming a lot. Monogamy isn't the only way that people relate to each other, and there's certainly no reason to think it's the easiest or most natural option.

Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

How were gender roles prescribed? Were women genetically programmed to shut the fuck up and get in the kitchen?

Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

um... like in a birth of a child, it's the women's role to supply the egg.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

You seem to have biology confused with gender.

Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

you seem to think they are totally unrelated.

"In 1987, R.W. Connell did extensive research on whether there are any connections between biology and gender role and concluded that there were none. Most scientists reject Connell's research because concrete evidence exists proving the effect of hormones on behavior."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_roles#Criticism_of_biologism

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

The fact that "it's the woman's role to supply the egg" is caused by her sex, not by her gender.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

She'd better supply some toast, bacon and mushrooms while she's on.

Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

funnily enough in prehistoric times there were tribes (or groups of people) wherein the women were hunters and killers. it was only later on that the roles changed/were set so that the woman was the caretaker or whatever you wanna call it.

Beth, excuse me for saying but you seem to be projecting or assuming a lot. Monogamy isn't the only way that people relate to each other, and there's certainly no reason to think it's the easiest or most natural option.

Exactly. From *my point of view* I would discourage it, but that's because I'm conservative, monogamous, jealous or whatever you wanna label it. :-) If the three people involved are open to this, then I'd say:"Go for it." Communication is key, but that's ALWAYS the case, also in monogamous relationships. Any type of relationship is hard to sustain in the long run.

Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Coincidentally enough, this article was in this morning's paper.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

"My Internet Girl"

Ain't no doubt about it
I can't wait to get home to you
(I gotta get home, yeah, uh, uh, come on.)
Connected with my baby
Just jammin online with you
(online, online, online)

Here in my room we are as one
(together you and me, together you and me)
Hours connect
As we switch on (switch on)

[Chorus]
She's my best kept secret
My internet girl (my internet girl)
She's my one and only
And I ain't tellin' the world (my internet girl)

She's my best kept secret
Hooked up all night with that girl
(my internet girl)
She's my one and only, my internet girl
(my internet girl)
My internet girl, my internet girl.

Shufflin' through my windows
Gotta find my way back to you
(I gotta find away, gotta find a way)
(I gotta find a way, gotta find a way)

You left me mail in the inbox
Thinkin' about what we should do
(I will type again girlfriend, so tell me, tell me what you wanna do)

You left me the password to your heart
(yeah, that's it. I got it.)
No lookin' back we clicked from the start
I wanna let you know
She's mine

[Chorus X2. fade]

lal, Monday, 14 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

I think the only real lesson to get from that article is that honesty is good.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

"Polys, they say, are honest about the human condition. It is monogamists, they say, who live in a fantasy land."

How honest is this really?

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

50%

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

50% is an F meaning failure.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

that sounds like eyes-glazed-over rationalizing from polys.

gear (gear), Monday, 14 November 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)


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