if you're sick, how sick do you have to be before you make a doctor's appointment?

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i hate my doctor. i'm stuck with him though.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

if I don't think I'll get better without drugs (or stitches), that's when I visit the doctorb.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

the last time i went to my GP with a problem he laughed at me and sent me home.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

what an ass. I hate condescending doctors.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

most doctors i've known are assholes.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

there's no way you can select another jbr?

The PCP I have right now is fantastic. I really lucked out as the first office called refused to see me so that's why I ended up going to my current doctor. She's really cool and I can walk to her office from work.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

If I think what I've can't be cured by (a) waiting it out or (b) taking over-the-counter medicines.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

oh, my answer to the question would be dependant on bank balance.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

JB, I'd have to be SERIOUSLY ill, I'm lazy about the doc. I can no longer afford, however, to be lazy about the dentist -- I'll be in that chair at the first twinge.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

If you can do a reasonable self-diagnosis, then you may be able to decide whether a doctor can actually do anything useful for your illness or not. For example, influenza can make you feel like the dog's breakfast: rampant chills, followed by high fever, muscle aches, and a nose that runs so emphatically it makes your mucous mebranes sore and raw - but a doctor will just tell you to keep warm, take an analgesic such as aspirin, drink warm fluids and rest in bed. You don't need to spend $100 and upwards for that advice.

So, it isn't a matter of how crappy you feel so much as what you're down with and what can be done for it.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

i'm having this debate with myself right now. somehow after being sick on and off for 2 and a half months, i still have trouble deciding if a trip to the doctor is "worth it." also, do i call in to work? cuase i have a vacation day off on thurs, so if i call in tomorrow i might as well call in wed, too, for a 5 day weekend...

tehresa (tehresa), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:41 (twenty years ago)

getting an ear infection last year finally caused me to go see the cheapie clinic doc for the first time in 2 years.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

Usually not very. When I have access to a free clinic (uni) I brave the line to get it taken care of right away, even minor stuff. When I'm consigned to the $70 per visit CareNow clinic (more if they actually DO anything), I tough it out longer, but I'm paranoid about sinus/ear infections progressing or bronchitis becoming pneumonia.

Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

I basically have to be bossed into going to the doctor, as I generally refuse to believe that I'm sick.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

Shoddy appointment system/waiting times coupled with stressed out impatient doctor makes me very very loath to go indeed.

I'd have to be chronically ill to do it.

Besides, taking time off from work is pretty difficult, trying to tie my normal hours with a docs appointment is nigh on impossible.

Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

Shoddy appointment system/waiting times coupled with stressed out impatient doctor makes me very very loath to go indeed.

exactly. why can't they make antibiotics otc?

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

My doctor is great. I mean, I try not to overuse the doctor because I don't want to be That Person, but the practioner nurses are really great and will see you for all those not-so-serious things. I mean, I don't go for a cold or flu, but if something is really interfering with my functioning, I no longer dread going to get it sorted out.

Some doctors are great, some doctors are not so great. Don't hate the entire profession because you get a bum one every now and then - change your doctor and get a good one.

But then again, I do live in the UK and GOD SAVE THE NHS. (Can we change the national anthem, please?)

Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

Don't hate the entire profession because you get a bum one every now and then - change your doctor and get a good one.

how do i know what a good one is?

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

I have two doctors. The one close to me is completely crap: she has misdiagnosed on numerous occasions. So I only go to her if I'm lazy and know that it's not a serious thing. The other one is great, only he has a completely crazy wife who helps him at the desk.

I'm a hypochondriac, so I do go to the doctor more than average, I guess. (Apparently Belgian people also tend to visit the doctor more than average, although not as much as the Japanese apparently.) My doctor's great though. He gives me a small lecture every time so I know what's up. I hate being left in the cold (or with a cold - har har), I like to know what's up.

Belgium is great because we have way too many doctors. hah.

Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, my experience is that you can judge a doctor by how well they actually *listen* to you, how well the explain things, and if they ask you if you have any questions afterwards.

However, that does kind of mean that you have to see them before you decide if they're good or not. Which is free in the UK, but I understand costs money in the US.

Ask around - ask your friends or neighbours if they have a decent one. I got mine on the reccomendation of someone who used to live in my neighbourhood.

Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

i have insurance that covers the cost of the visit, but i do have to pick one of the doctors in the plan (and i think i can only switch GPs once a year). i have no way of knowing if one doctor in the plan is "better" than another.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

OK, that sucks. Could you drop by the surgery without registering, and just kind of talk to the secretaries? Come up with a cover story and say you've just moved to the neighbourhood and you just wanted to know a bit about the doctor before you registered?

Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

ah, it doesn't really matter, does it? i may as well just pony up the $100 and go to one of the fancy neighborhood doctors.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

exactly. why can't they make antibiotics otc?

Because the more you take antibiotics, the less effective they become. Also, if you don't finish the course, the less effective they'll be the next time. Antibiotics are prescription only medicines to make sure they're only taken when necessary (ie. not for the flu, which is what the idiotic majority of the public would take them for, when they won't help one little bit) and so the doctor can give you a talking to about making sure you take them all, even after you start to feel better.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

Can't tell I used to work in medicines licensing, can you?

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

I had a fantastic doctor once when I moved to a different part of the city for a short time, big posh building, handcrafted oak desks etc, my doctor was an avuncular Santa Claus type, genuinly concerned. I could have sat in his office all day and just nodded off to sleep at the tick tock of the giant clock on the wall.

Even the other patients contributed to the place, little old ladies coughing politely, well behaved kids looking at picture books. I wish I'd stayed registered there when I moved away, it would have been worth the two train journeys and twenty minute walk.

My current surgery serves a much much larger area, it's your typical linoleum and melanine place. It sits opposite the most deprived area in town and every member of staff looks ready to blow at any minute.

I miss my posh docs.

Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

does anyone know anything about bromelain? it's an enzyme derived from pineapple stems and it's supposed to be good for relieving sinusitis.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember the last time I actually got to see the doctor rather than the nurse at my surgery. Which is fine, as I haven't actually had anything seriously wrong with me (dislocated shoulder excepted, and I went to a minor injuries clinic for that).

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

AHA! Sinusitis is it? (Say that three times fast.)

I happen to know a thing or two about it. The U&K thing to know is that younger docs have been taught that antibiotics are useless for sinusitis. The "latest and greatest" thinking is that all you need are lots of decongestants and saline nasal spray. This approach is rubbish for an intractable infection, which may require a 15 day course of antibiotics in addition to the decongestants and saline treatment.

Get a doddering old doctor with outdated ideas who'll be certain to prescribe antibiotics for you. Word.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

The U&K thing to know is that sinusitis almost always occurs in conjunction with a cold, which is viral and will go away by itself in time.

Now go read Madchen's post again.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

bromelain is good for digestion and has mild anticoagulant properties. i have no idea how it might effect sinusitus.

but i've heard those neti pot kind of things are supposed to be great. or just snorting saltwater, ick as that sounds.

being chronically ill (depending on illness) can teach you that docs are mostly useless.

Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes, all of you, go and antibioticize yourself whenever you get a cold so more resistant strains of bacteria can develop!

Bnad (Bnad), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Sinusitis - get as much heat on your face (esp. forehead, bridge of nose, and under eyes/cheekbone area) as you can stand. I use a ziplock bag of hot hot hot (just short of boiling) water with a towel/washcloth under it. Heat brings more blood to the area and eases some of the inflammation so your sinus pockets can drain. Decongestants and aspirin can also help some to ease the inflammation (not acetominophen or ibuprofen though). I had the surgery once to drain my sinuses and NEVER want to go through that again.

Also, I was stupid when younger, knew that I had probably had strep throat, but didn't go to the doctor. Got rheumatic fever from it and now have some collateral damage. It's not worth ignoring a persistent sore throat.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

i've been doing the neti pot approach! it's useful for, oh, five minutes afterwards.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

hahaha i just saw the six feet under with that last night!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

The U&K thing to know is that younger docs have been taught that antibiotics are useless for sinusitis. The "latest and greatest" thinking is that all you need are lots of decongestants and saline nasal spray.

which is why i'm hesitant to make an appointment -- i can just go down to the rite aid and get those myself.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

there was a six feet under about neti pots?

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

What do you do, Jaq, put the ziplock in the microwave? How do you keep the water from spilling?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Heat the water in the microwave in a measuring cup (easier to pour) then pour into the ziplock (only about 1/2 full though) then seal. Doesn't work well with the generic off-brand zip bags though, has to be a fairly substantial one.

Running hot water straight from the tap can work okay if the temp is high enough on your water heater. You do have to be careful though, a person can get a nasty burn from water that's not even close to boiling. The danger is worth it for the relief it brings, for me.

My ex had this thing called a virulizer that shot hot water vapor up your nose, which I thought was a bit much.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

FUCK SINUSITIS.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

can anyone who remembers what feeling normal feels like please remind me?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Anyway if it's really bad some of the following might help Jody. wh

1. there are numerous interlinked but not distinct things which cause problems in your sinuses, it's v important to find out the exact one, though it might take ages. but it's difficult to get a diagnosis and so you can spend months "narrowing it down" as such, maybe just cut the timewasting and go see some kind of allergist/sinus specialist asap, I wish I'd done that months ago instead of after 3 months of feeling shit. prepare for many false dawns!

maybe look up the symptoms of sinus infection vs the symptoms of allergies. then go get an allergy test to make sure.

other things I've found which have helped my sinuses

-definitely the steam thing, if only momentarily, but it's definitely worth doing before bed or before work in the morning.

-nasal strips on your nose before you sleep, also quite helpful, be sure and wash your nose before putting them on though, as they are expensive and if you don't they don't stick properly and you waste them!

-steaming hot showers


things which don't help
-ALCOHOL-so sometimes you have a beer or two to relax and cos you want to do what you normally do, but I think I am actually going to stop drinking altogether until I feel better, because the SEARING FUCKING PAIN of hangovers with sinusitis just aren't worth it. I swear I have honest to god woken up after 7 or 8 hours sleep and two beers and felt worse than nights where I got half an hours sleep. alcohol sure makes your sinuses swell!


so yeah in summary, FUCK SINUSITIS.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

exactly. why can't they make antibiotics otc?

You can buy antibiotics over the counter in Spain. I discovered this when I started to develop an abscess in the general vicinity of my remaining wisdom tooth when visiting my parents. Nice dentist pointed out it was cheaper for me to buy them over the counter rather than her write me a prescription. The pharmacist I attended was also exceptionally helpful and asked what was wrong and why I wanted them then explained why I should take care to take a full course of them (like a Spanish upthread-Mädchen, in fact).

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Poor Ronan :( I don't think my sinuses got normal until I'd moved from the midwest to Phoenix and lived there for a full year. Then, moved to Seattle and they kicked back up again, though not as badly. Now I'm back in a more desert place once more, but w/ extreme temps and dust so they are starting to threaten me once again.

OTM completely on the alcohol - you'd think since it dries your brain out, it would dry up the rest of your head as well, BUT NO!

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Poor Ronan :( I don't think my sinuses got normal until I'd moved from the midwest to Phoenix and lived there for a full year.

see? i need to move back to tucson.

ok, i bought a bunch of crap at the drug store and the vitamin store. gonna see what happens.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

I thought this guy had a pretty reasonable approach.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

"non-drowsy" my ass!

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

I took a twenty-four hour chlortrimeton (sp?) a few weeks back and I felt like somebody had slipped me a mickey.

I just walked by Perelandra and thought about going in to get on of those neti pots.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

i was in perelandra a few hours ago! i didn't buy anything... i went to the vitamin shoppe (or whatever it's called).

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

btw we should do trivia again. my wednesday nights are free now.

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, definitely. Let's gather up the rest of team which is Laurel and- who said they wanted to join? - Ian, I think.

The Sudafed Sinus and Allergy formula is working for me today.

k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I have a cold sore and a date tomorrow. It is small and going away, but :((((

Jdubz (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Jody, I would ask friends/people you trust who live nearby who their PCP is for recommendations. I used to always resort to Urgent Cares when I got sick, but since they don't seem to have that here (ie: I went to one and was charged an emergency room visit), I finally found my own doctor through a friend. Then I scheduled an appointment to meet and great with her and give her my past history. That way, the next time I do get sick, I'll have someone to call who I know I like and she'll be ready for me. Basically, do your research while you're well I guess.

Prancing Animals (coco), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I have a cold sore and a date tomorrow.

carlos dubz!

stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)


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