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Because I'm spotty and bloated and my boobs are sore and I'm gonna cry and I just think we should have one, okay?

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

You do realise that anything you post on this thread is going to be endlessly requoted by teenage boys (or boys with teenage mentalities) for the rest of time?

(I'm just saying. I think we should have had this thread a long time ago, but that's just me.)

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Let them - I'm ready to tear apart the first bugger that tries it.

(Once I've finished my tray of oven chips)

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

you should rub their face in it

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Throw used maxipads and tampons at them like L7 at Glasto, maybe?

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Or I could just sob until they feel guilty and skulk away in shame.

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

That doesn't work. Better to rip their heads off (after you finish that kilo of chocolate).

I'm with ya, sistah, having just finished mine. And yes, this one was a gusher. I hate when they're really bloody. It's just like insult to injury.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Exactly, having to heave oneself off the couch to extract and reinsert expensive sanitary products five, six times a day is NO FUN at all.

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Also, I hate when your boobs are so sore and swollen that when you take your bra off it's like BOOMPH! BOOMPH! two bags full of rocks falling against your chest.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

― heh, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember what it's like to have menstruation. Really strange. Except of course the other week when I bled a little. Naturally I panicked, not something I do when I have my period. ;-)

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

My pregnant colleague is jealous, she's not allowed to eat sweet things just now and I've been chomping on cookies all morning.

― Rumpie, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

― heh, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

― Jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Is it weird to not menstrate for nine months? I mean, it's just one of those things that's as regular as clockwork in my life and I can't imagine skipping a month, let alone nine of them. I know that there are all kinds of other strange hormonal things that happen to you when you're pregnant, so not menstruating is probably the least of it.

I guess I'm just curious.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

― heh, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

― heh, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Much sympathy Rumpie. I hope you have hot water bottles and a good stock of comfort foods. xxxxx

Last month my period was so freakishly painful I had to spend two nights in hospital. And then when people asked why I was in hospital I had to say "um, period pain", which sounds feeble and embarrassing. So to a lot of people I just said I had a virus.

The annoying thing about periods, well one of them anyway, is it's just impossible to know whether yours are much worse than other women's or it just feels that way. I mean, I've had to go to hospital with it twice, so I guess that probably means mine are above averagely bad.

Yeah, periods are really horrible.

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

does anyone know anything about whether these keeper things, or similar type products, work well or not?

http://keeper.com/

― A. Immerman (A. Immerman), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it works really well! And you get to say "fuck you!" to all the companies charging stupid amounts for tampons and pads! (not to mention the bleach and the waste.) It takes a few periods to really get used to it (and I've known some people who've given up, but hey - have no fear, use pantyliners on heavy days though, at first) and it is more messy than tampons, yes, but it's not that big a deal. I've been using the keeper for about 7 years and now find tampons kind of weird and definitely not as good (especially when it comes to heavy days - tampons suck, keeper rules.)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

other people have talked about the keeper on here if you want to do a search.

It is really weird to not have a period for nine months, but it's also really great.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm fucking with my hormones pretty badly, I'm the type who takes the pill but doesn't take 'the break' - thus staving off periods for a few months at a time. When I do take a break I beed worse than normal and all the other pains etc seem much more exaggerated.

I get a raging headache too. It's my own fault, I should really stop doing this to myself, who knows what kind of problems I'm storing up.

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Is it weird to not menstrate for nine months?

It is! Quite dangerous for your health. One should definitely see a doctor to check your hormones. A lot of athletes and people with an eating disorder skip their menstruation.

My pregnant colleague is jealous, she's not allowed to eat sweet things just now and I've been chomping on cookies all morning.

Why isn't she allowed? I eat sugar and I'm pregnant. My OBGYN is pretty casual about what I can and can not eat. Not too much sugar, salt and caffeine. No french cheese at all, that's the only thing he's strict about.

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Is that because of a risk of food poisoning?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Lysteria or whatever is the dangerous one?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it's actually quite dangerous for pregnant and older people. Some claim you shouldn't eat feta either (because of lysteria). I didn't realize this until after eating copious amounts of feta. Listeria can show up after a couple of days or weeks. It's not dangerous for young people and adults though.

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

They found protein in her urine yesterday, she's to go back in for further testing tomorrow, in the meantime - no fat or sugar.

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

No French cheese! Oh my god! I know that you shouldn't eat cheese while pregnant, but my god, that would be difficult. I tried to give up caffeine while pregnant, and I managed to get down to one can of coke from two pots of coffee a day, but my god, that was hard.

I know that if you lose a certain percent of your body fat, you stop menstrating - hence why athletes do. But supposedly lots of women on the pill just don't take the period week ones and go on just not menstrating at all. There's been some debate about whether or not that's healthy.

I found that taking a calcium supplement effectively ended 75% of serious period pain. It doesn't stop it entirely, but it makes me able to function on days I used to be lying in bed racked with pain.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I read somewhere that less periods are better because the body expects to be preganant a lot more than modern women are... something about less chance of some cancers?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

i was promised a pic of claire danes bah.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah, Trayce, that was the logic behind why it was supposedly *more* healthy to skip your periods on the pill.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

And it means sex sex sex at anytime of the month.

Hurrah!

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

What is this sex thing of which you speak? :-P

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

They found protein in her urine yesterday, she's to go back in for further testing tomorrow, in the meantime - no fat or sugar.

Oh dear! That's bad news. Hopefully she doesn't have any problems. My mum had a *pregnancy kidney*. She didn't realize how dangerous this was - she was 19 yrs old and it was the 70s - so she didn't think nothing of eating minced (raw!) meat and white bread. When she came back to the hospital and the nurses heard what she had done, she was surprised to see the nurses very angry. hah!

Kate, I already gave up caffeine before I became pregnant. As we were trying to conceive, I wanted to give caffeine and nicotine. :-) A little bit of caffeine (after three months) isn't that bad though. The worst was having to give up green tea: I drank it like a maniac beforehand and now I don't have anything to replace it with. I sometimes forget to drink which is of course bad. :-(

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

Not having periods is the best thing evah!
Although Rumpie, you have my sympathies. I used to headaches the week before & the week during, which was totally sucky. Like you I always used to carry on taking my pill. Although I haven't been on the pill for ages now, it's odd when your period just turns up!

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I could get used to that again, man it's been years and years since I had a normal cycle. Mr R said he'd start wearing condoms to allow me to come off the pill, but I'm still weighing up the pros and cons of both.

Condoms suck.

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Condoms do indeed suck & we've been having to deal with it since the beginning of the year, but I had to come off of the pill because of the headaches. I'd been on it since I was 16 so that was a total of 12 years! Of course, you always run the risk & don't use condoms sometimes, so I guess it boils down to whether or not you want to risk having a baby! ;-)

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

(wo)Man, I thought this was the menstration thread, not the talk about contraception and pregnancy thread!

I want gushes of blood and cramps (wo)man! Not condoms.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

My mum claims she had her menstruation on the *minute*. *ROFL*.

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Er Kate, I think you'll find it's all linked one way & another.

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but only coz it happens in the same AREA heh heh, I said area, pure filth, etc.

Shall I be really gross? What's the largest blood clot you've ever ahd during a period?

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, sorry, I could so very easily be sidetracked onto conception here!

Last night my cramps were so bad I was emploting 'breathing techniques' to get through them.

Hmmm, I wonder if coping well with menstrual cramps is good practise for contractions?

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

Can't you take some meds for the cramps?

Have you noticed how menstruation synchronizes when you're working/living with several women?

― Nathalie is in Da Base II Dark (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Like I said, take calcium, Rumpie! You have to take a supplement all the time, but in general calcium supplements are good for females.

(I find that hot water bottles and also rubbing slow circles on your thighs are actually quite good for cramp distraction.)

Yes, Nath, it's hormonal, we all synch up. Except when you're on the pill. Or living with someone on the pill. The worst situation I ever had, though, was living with two women who were both on the pill, but on different cycles. My menstral cycle got pulled all over the place. Bah. I nearly had three periods in one month.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

Gross Kate? Well I don't know about giant clots, but I've been known to saturate my tampon so thoroughly that on sitting on the toilet it comes out itself.

Howzat?

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Rubbing the thighs? What about rubbing a mans thighs?

I think the worst is over.

Notice how your sweat smells different when your on the blob? Or is that just me?

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Aw, man, that is quite full on gush.

This is the most DISGUSTING thing I've ever posted on ILX so if you are easily offended or if there are any boys reading you might want to stop now...

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The other day in the shower, I passed a clot so huge it wouldn't go down the drain and I had to fish it out! It was about the length of my middle finger and as thick as my thumb! It was GROSS! That, truly, is the most unacceptible thing to ever come out of my body.

Now aren't you glad I shared that?

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

I am actually sniggering with childish delight at how icky and gross that post is.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

x-post, no, Rump. You kind of lie down and trace circles on the tops of your thighs with your thumbs. It's very relaxing and does actually help distract you from cramps. Also, foot rubbing helps, but it's nicer if you can get someone else to do it for you.

― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

It was about the length of my middle finger and as thick as my thumb! It was GROSS!

That was probably a foetus.

― funco, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

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L, you are Information

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

A girl has to be good for something!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

1980s business guys

Well 1950s/60s more likely.

― Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

my brain thinks the 80s are funnier

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be expecting that as a television mid-season replacement series now. I'm sure the title will be brilliant.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

haha, sometimes the seal is surprisingly strong...

Reading this I heard an audible POP sound.

― this thread is bringing out the worst in me (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbcresources.com/images/seal.jpg
http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/15849.jpg

― You are not alone (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost: It's no ordinary blood. And that picture will give me flashbacks.
-- Space Gourmand (papiermachealamphibia...) (webmail), September 19th, 2006 1:00 PM. (Haberdager) (later) (link)
EWWW SQUICKY GIRLS HAVE BLOODY COOTCHIES.

-- Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr...), September 19th, 2006. (later)

Wasn't Louis Jagger just refering to the anime pic above re: "not ordinary blood"?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

The best part about the Keeper? The squeaky ballon noises.

― patita (patita), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

I keep misreading "consolation" as "consolidation".

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

in ur utrus
cunsulidatn all ur blud

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 21 September 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

I keep misreading "consolation" as "consolidation".

Me too, Dan, and I keep having these momentary horrible/wondrous flashes of dozens of anime coochspewers nozzling their spray into one big bucket.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

my friend does the ring and you get little stickers to put on your calendar to remind you to put a new one in every week for three weeks and then go without for a week.

Sara, thanks for volunteering how long you went without a period after childbirth! I always want to ask, my kid's 9 months now and still nothing (which is AWESOME).

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

I used to have a little digital timer for the ring, it beeped softly for a couple of hours on insert/remove days. Came in handy as I don't do anything so organized as buy or use a calendar.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

No problem at all Teeny - 14 months was pretty good. It came back and I was like, "oh yeah... almost forgot about this! Damn." On the other hand, I had a friend who nursed exclusively for the first 6 months and she still got her period after each kid about 6 weeks after each childbirth. So it can really vary even if you are not starting solid foods yet.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

"my kid's 9 months now and still nothing (which is AWESOME)."

had mine the other week. menstruation. the kid i had 8 months ago.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I used to have a little digital timer for the ring, it beeped softly for a couple of hours on insert/remove days. Came in handy as I don't do anything so organized as buy or use a calendar.

omg the timer actually beeps inside the ring?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

i'm envisioning tetsuo type nightmares here.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbakira.co.uk/stills/tetsuo/tet34.jpg

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ladies, I didn't realize there was such a long post-partum hiatus in menstruation. Does anybody know much of it is the pregnancy/child birth itself and how much is the lactation?

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

If you aren't breastfeeding, I think you should expect to get your period back after a few weeks (and of course, bleeding like mad after childbirth). It is the lactating that works to suppress ovulation and thus causes lack of periods. Lactation also decreases the likelihood of another pregnancy for this reason, but I wouldn't count on it for birth control.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

OK, that's what I had thought. I misread y'all above and thought that regardless of lactation there was a long hiatus.

I had a friend who nursed exclusively for the first 6 months and she still got her period after each kid about 6 weeks after each childbirth

Talk about getting cheated.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

no shit, I would have been so pissed off.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Me, too. Luckily she is one of those mellow do-everything-naturally types. (Home water birth, use of Natural Family Planning for birth control...). It didn't seem to bother her.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

this is where I Love TMI was born

especially lookin' at you, kate

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 15:32 (seventeen years ago)

the revive they didn't want you to see

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:18 (seventeen years ago)

there is a worse masonic boom post out there, it involves menstrual clottage, it's burned onto my cerebral cortex, i probably shouldn't try to find it ;_;
― Just got offed, Monday, 16 June 2008 23:11 (3 months ago) Bookmark

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:20 (seventeen years ago)

Jagger, with all due offense intended, but are you fucking stupid or just an idiot?

Women menstrate. Get over it.

If you don't want to read about menstration, then it might help NOT TO FUCKING OPEN THREADS ENTITLED MENSTRUAL CONSOLATION.

Now fucking grow up and piss off.

― Kate And The King (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:23 (seventeen years ago)

http://unsportsmanlikecomment.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/the-satan-pit-doctor-beast3.jpg

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)

Good thing LJ called someone out for internet discussion of personal matters, this is a problem greatly underreported. If only our congressmen understood the need for greater funding to study the ongoing phenomenon.

― Vampire romances depend on me (Laurel), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:25 (seventeen years ago)

lol i actually purposefully looked up this thread out of a sense of duty to ILTMI, and my horror is largely feigned

still, some impressively gross material here even bearing the subject-matter in mind

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:26 (seventeen years ago)

Louis, I don't like to get at you, but I think that you, Mr "Poppage", are the last person here who should be getting at anyone about TMI, so STFU and stop digging, eh?

― The Plastic Fork (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)

I am actually sniggering with childish delight at how icky and gross that post is.
― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 10:25 (2 years ago) Bookmark

so am i :)

i think "call out" is the wrong phrase here, i'm just having a lark

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:28 (seventeen years ago)

TS: Mr Poppage vs. Ms Clottage

― Tom D says "...get them fuckin' up here, ya fuckin' walloper!" (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:28 (seventeen years ago)

wonderful posts, louis!

― caek, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

ARRHGHRRHGRHHH wtf

― and what, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

why did i read it

― and what, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

You want to have a lark, go and play with your LBZC.

― Kate And The King (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:30 (seventeen years ago)

You Have Been Yellow Carded By a Moderator: women menstruate. get over it and grow the fuck up.

excuse me, but i'm well over it. just that now ILTMI exists, i remembered that a particularly striking example of it existed in the annals, and felt a duty to bump it. this is not "ew GROSS how could you", it's "haha lol TMI, this is a prototype for the glory we see today"

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)

Shut up.

― Vampire romances depend on me (Laurel), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)

i mean once again you've all butthurtedly misinterpreted the extent to which i bear any sort of malice to fellow ILXors

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:40 (seventeen years ago)

seriously, are you autistic or something?

― caek, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

Your malice is not what you should be worrying about here, amirite?

― Radiant Flowering Crab (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

Louis, it's just that every time you "explain" nobody's any closer to clarity, including you.

― jane hussein lane (suzy), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:48 (seventeen years ago)

it's not just that.

― caek, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:48 (seventeen years ago)

what i'm worrying about is the implication i somehow stumbled across a thread that hadn't been revived in two years, and reacted with horror to the contents within

rather than committed a bit of topical gershyism while bored at home

i mean even kate sniggered at how gross that post was, surely we can too, in the name of ILX lolz

fuck this

and fuck you caek, repeatedly, with some sort of hairbrush

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

this thread needs more
http://members.shaw.ca/revchu/stuff/men2zb.gif

― salsa shark, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:50 (seventeen years ago)

no point trying to be friendly to someone if they're gonna take (or fabricate) any opportunity to abuse you

salsa shark otm, actually

― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:50 (seventeen years ago)

hey louis heres a protip: next time someone is mad at you, instead of defending yourself and calling that person "butthurt," try just saying "whoops sorry" and then never posting on that thread again

― Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

http://members.shaw.ca/revchu/stuff/men2zb.gif
http://members.shaw.ca/revchu/stuff/men2zb.gif
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― J4gger Dynamic Pentangle (Just got offed), Tuesday, 30 September 2008 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

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