least gentrified areas of manhattan?

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Hello, I'm moving to New York City soon and I realize that there's really no such thing as cheap rents, but could anyone clue me into any areas of the borough of Manhattan that aren't brutally expensive? Thanks!

Shannon nothing, Saturday, 26 November 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

Here you go

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 26 November 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

queens

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

no need to get personal

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

hahaha

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

a gal hurd oft

Shannon nothing, Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

serious answer: washington heights, inwood

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

although hurry up b/c the starbucks are already there

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

utah fag lord

Shannon nothing, Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

gat hula ford

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

thud a la frog

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

flog a turd ha

Aaron A, Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

athol otm though, washington heights is pretty cool and has this great former movie theater converted into a propserity-theology church that's really my favorite thing I've visited this year

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 26 November 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

I like Wash. Heights but is so faaaaaaar awaaaaaayyy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 26 November 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

that it is. so much effort just to have a 212 area code! (and you're not even guaranteed that anymore.)

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

Where is Washington Heights?

the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

way the hell up, by the george washington bridge. directly across the hudson from fort lee, nj.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

http://flickr.com/photos/tags/washingtonheights/clusters/nyc-manhattan-newyork/

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

The pictures look good and interesting.

So what, if any, Manhattan streets does Washington Heights correspond to?

the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

wikipedia entry sez

Washington Heights is on the high ridge that rises steeply north of the narrow valley that carries 125th Street to the former ferry landing on the Hudson River. Though the neighborhood was once considered to run as far south as 125th Street, modern usage defines the neighborhood as running north from 155th Street to Inwood. At the northern end of Washington Heights, near Fort Washingon Avenue and 183rd Street in Bennett Park is a plaque marking Manhattan's highest natural elevation. Manhattan is connected to Fort Lee, New Jersey via the George Washington Bridge. To the east across the Harlem River lies the Bronx.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

inwood:

Inwood is the northernmost neighborhood on Manhattan Island in the New York City borough of Manhattan. Because the borough of Manhattan contains a small part of the mainland (Marble Hill) north of the island of Manhattan, Inwood is not technically the northernmost neighborhood in the entire borough. Inwood is sometimes referred to as a subsection of Washington Heights, but most people residing in or familiar with Upper Manhattan do not agree with this classification.

Inwood is bounded by the Harlem River to the north and east, Fairview Avenue to the south, and the Hudson River to the west. Its main thoroughfare is Broadway, and its main shopping center is Dyckman Street. Compared to the rest of Manhattan, Inwood is a rather remote locale; it is technically closer to Westchester than it is to Midtown.

Inwood is a largely residential neighborhood, consisting mostly of apartment houses and parkland. It also houses a subway yard and Columbia University's athletic fields. From Baker Field, one can view a 100-foot Columbia "C" on the Bronx shore.

Inwood was mostly Irish for most of the 20th Century, but today the neighborhood is mainly Dominican. As real estate prices skyrocket downtown, many New Yorkers have recently discovered Inwood, one of the last reasonably affordable neighborhoods in Manhattan. Inwood appeals to many who want lower rents and a more serene, outer borough-like setting without actually leaving Manhattan and its prestigious "212" area code (and "New York, NY" postal address, which is only available in Manhattan but not the other four boroughs.) This has led some to forecast gentrification in Inwood's near future.

Inwood Hill Park, on the Hudson River, is a largely wooded city park that contains caves that were used by the Lenape before Europeans arrived, and the last salt marsh in Manhattan. Birdwatchers come to the park to see waterbirds, raptors, and a wide variety of migratory birds.

The legendary purchase of Manhattan Island from the Lenape took place in what is now Inwood Hill Park.

Inwood is the only neighborhood on Manhattan Island that has private houses (as opposed to apartment complexes, brownstones, and town houses, which dominate Manhattan.)

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

marble hill:

Marble Hill is the northernmost section of the borough of Manhattan in New York, New York. It is separated from the rest of Manhattan by the Harlem River Ship Canal, which was dug in 1895 to connect two portions of the Harlem River bypassing a very circuitous portion and leaving Marble Hill as an island. In 1914, the old river was filled in, physically connecting Marble Hill to the borough of The Bronx. When a judge found it to be legally still a part of Manhattan in 1939, the Bronx Borough President declared it 'the Bronx Sudetenland', referencing Hitler's 1938 annexation of Czechoslovakia.

Marble Hill residents remain part of a political district that includes the northernmost areas of Manhattan (Washington Heights and Inwood), but receive services from the Bronx, most likely due to reasons of convenience and safety; being serviced by a fire department located across a draw bridge (the Broadway Bridge) could delay response time, as it would require usage of the University Heights or Henry Hudson Bridges, which are further from Marble Hill than the Broadway Bridge.

The United States Postal Service treats it as if it were part of the Bronx though, as its ZIP Code is 10463 (the "104" prefix used for Bronx localities while "100" through "102" are reserved for Manhattan addresses).

In 1984, area code 718 was created out of area code 212 for the boroughs of Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island; in 1992, the Bronx was added to the "718" roster. Marble Hill residents fought to retain the "212" area code for the neighborhood but lost; today Marble Hill, unlike the rest of Manhattan, is in area code 718.

Marble Hill is named for the large deposits of marble underlying it. The formation, known as the Inwood marble, was formerly quarried for building stone.

New York City Subway service is provided by the 225th Street-Marble Hill station on the IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line, served by the 1. Additionally, commuter railroad service to lower Manhattan, the Bronx, and points north is available via the Marble Hill train station, served by Metro-North Railroad's Hudson Line.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

What interesting information.

I am reminded that Manhattan means Island of the Hills, unless I am misremembering.

How about that line about the fire engine going over a drawbridge? !

Those places sound like good places to visit.

It is hard in a way to believe that Americans get het up about what telephone number they have. Telephone numbers are inherently rather arbitrary-looking, inhumane, functional affairs, after all.

the bellefox, Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

i really like spuyten duyvil too:

In modern usage, Spuyten Duyvil is the name of a subsection of the Riverdale section of the Bronx in New York City, named after Spuyten Duyvil Creek, a Dutch name meaning perhaps "Spinning Devil" or "Devil's Whirlpool", on its southern border. Though once a separate neighborhood from Riverdale, Spuyten Duyvil currently refers to the southernmost section of Riverdale, south of 230th Street.

This neighborhood is the location of the Spuyten Duyvil train station, which is served by the Hudson Line of the Metro-North Railroad. It is also home to the Henry Hudson Bridge, which connects it to the island of Manhattan.

http://thejoekorner.quuxuum.org/nycrr/nycspuy.jpg

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

(pronounced "spite-in die-vil")

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 November 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

There's a little bit of gentrification in Astoria, but the prices here are very reasonable, the neighborhood is really nice, and it's a relatively easy commute to Manhattan. I recommend it.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Riverdale is nice, but at that distance you may as well go all the way and find an apartment in Westchester!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

astoria is cool. i was all set to move there in 1998 for $750 a month (!!!) but the deal fell through.

it's funny how people who are planning a move to nyc ALWAYS ask about manhattan. the commute time from someplace like astoria is so quick!

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I was about to say... parts of upper manhattan are "less manhattan" than certain parts of west brooklyn, as far as night life goes, for example.

it's like someone asking about a move to L.A., and being recommended the Pacoima neighborhood -- because IT'S IN LOS ANGELES CITY -- instead of, you know, Burbank or West Hollywood or Santa Monica or Culver City.

dali madison's nut (donut), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

i think a lot of people in riverdale take either the express bus or the metro-north into the city -- that reduces the commute time pretty significantly. when i went to high school on the upper west side (amsterdam/65th) i had a friend from riverdale who took the express bus in every day.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

exactly, donut. move to long beach! you can still tell people you live in l.a. county!

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

"I'm looking to move to Boston -- got a scholarship. Any great neighborhoods that are cool and aren't super high rent?"

"Well, there are some overlooked great spots in the cities of Cambridge or Somerville or.."

"no no no, it has to be in BOSTON city!"

"*snicker snicker*"

dali madison's nut (donut), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

heh heh

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Is there really any city where moving to the cheapest parts of the most central part of a big city is ever a good idea, compared to trying a more practical adjacent neigborhood/town that may not be in the central part?

I mean, sure, living in downtown Seattle has a lot of upsides, but living in an adjacent neighborhood here is far more advantageous, financially and for fun. Same with Portland.

Vancouver, BC might be an exception.. but there are more exceptions than examples, really.

dali madison's nut (donut), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

sw portland is crazy expensive! who the fuck lives there?

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Vancouver, BC might be an exception.. but there are more exceptions than examples, really.

Actually I take this back and want to decimate it.. E Hastings... Ugh. Kitsalano or Commercial Drive please.

dali madison's nut (donut), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Who do you have to root for when you live in Queens - the Mets and the Jets?

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Going back to Astoria for a moment - when I was doing the apartment search with my roommate over the summer, we saw at least 15 places in Astoria and more than that in Brooklyn (mainly in Park Slope and vicinity), and every single place we saw in Astoria was large and nice and had loads of closet space. Almost everything in Brooklyn was smaller, had less advantages, and was generally about 15-30% more expensive. You can get really lovely two bedroom apartments in Astoria in the $1400-1800 range right now.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

if you live on the 7 line, you're pretty much obligated to root for the mets. (xpost)

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

and more than that in Brooklyn (mainly in Park Slope and vicinity), and every single place we saw in Astoria was large and nice and had loads of closet space. Almost everything in Brooklyn was smaller, had less advantages, and was generally about 15-30% more expensive.

well duh, park slope is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in brooklyn!

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Also, Astoria is a good place to move to if you're allergic to large congregations of "hipsters" and such - there's definitely some young white post-college people living around here, but it's not really in the streets and in the local shops, which is part of what keeps that element from moving in around here - on one hand, it's not the Hipster Times Square of the LES and Williamsburg, and on the other, it's too normal and residential to give people the "OMG I am such a cool open-minded bastard for living in an obvious ghetto/ethnic enclave!!!" buzz that Washington Heights would provide.

xpost - Yeah, I know Park Slope is expensive! My roommate had lived there for three years and wasn't eager to leave the area.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

You can get really lovely two bedroom apartments in Astoria in the $1400-1800 range right now.
Ouch. The low end there is more than the mortgage payment on a $200k house. Which is obvious, I guess, but I always marvel a little at how much people are willing to pay to live in a major urban area.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Well, yeah, it's where our jobs are, bro.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

And you definitely get what you pay for in terms of what the location can offer.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

on the other, it's too normal and residential to give people the "OMG I am such a cool open-minded bastard for living in an obvious ghetto/ethnic enclave!!!" buzz that Washington Heights would provide.

dude, washington heights is NOT a ghetto. it's heavily working-class dominican, but i think just as many middle-class whites live there. same with inwood. it's just a really pretty environment to live in, with beautiful deco architecture and the hudson river and ft. tryon park.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

and the gwb bus terminal is one of my favorite pieces of ugly/awesome architecture in nyc.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Anybody know Jackson Heights very well? It's been recommended to me. At the next lease renewal, we might be looking for something a little cheaper.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

i adore jackson heights.

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

if you move to jackson heights your local store windows will look like this:

http://static.flickr.com/33/52826395_9a4016d2d0.jpg

athol fugard (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

queens is cool, but brooklyn is the best.

i mean to say, Manhattan keeps on makin' it Brooklyn keeps on takin' it Bronx keeps creatin' it and Queens keeps on fakin' it.

no, really. Brooklyn's the best place in the world!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Ed, I think Jersey City is your best bet - I'm in a similar situation since I like to go into the city often but I work in NJ. The best neighborhoods to live in are the ones collectively referred to as "downtown" or "the Grove St. area," but they're getting pricier. My wife and I pay $1200 for a very large two bedroom, but that's hard to find now. Hamilton Park is a little cheaper and nice if you don't mind an 8-10 block walk to the PATH. After that there's Journal Square, which would actually be one stop closer to Newark and considerably cheaper. Good Indian food abounds. Just make sure you figure out the actual distance to the PATH and don't trust the ads.

Newark is not out of the question - a few people I know have lived in the Portuguese district, known as the Ironbound, and liked it. It's known as a rough city, but the downtown area is pretty bustling - you have some big employers there (Prudential, I think?) and a few universities, so there are little cafes and lunch places. There's even a gallery that sometimes has decent art shows. But you're not going to feel like you're in the middle of some kind of burgeoning arts revival.

Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions about Jersey City.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

All of that being if you go to NJIT, of course. The train ride from Penn Station to Newark is very short, but the area around Penn will be very pricey and it doesn't seem like a nice place to live (very crowded, lots of touristy crap, etc.)

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Newark was the center for insurance/accounting I think, before it moved to hartford conneticut. My father worked for both Coopers and Librand (now Price, Waterhouse, Coopers etc et) and Prudential for years. He'd drive from our house in West Orange to an underground parking lot in/near the Prudential building, then walk along a series of underground passageways so that the white-color workers could avoid roaming the streets of Newark.

My dentist was in Newark, but not far off 280, so I didn't have to get lost in the city.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

I spent a summer commuting from the upper east side to newark (and sometimes to morristown). it was somewhat annoying, but doable. and starting on the west side would be easier.

some areas you might want to look at (no idea what the relative costs are now)
around 10th ave in the low-mid 40s (walk to penn station)
around 9th ave in the low-mid 50s (c/e to penn station)
the flower district (walk to penn station)
financial district (walk to wtc path station)
around broadway between 96th and 110th (walk to 2/3 or take 1 train and transfer across platform)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

You can also commmute by PATH to Newark - it's much cheaper than the Penn Station train but takes longer and involves a transfer. There are PATH stops at World Trade Center, Christopher St., and along 6th Ave. - 9th, 14th, 23rd, 33rd, so that slightly increases your options of where to live.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

(by PATH from Manhattan to Newark, that should have said)

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

NJT is cheaper than PATH is you are a student in NJ (I checked).

Thanks for all the info, keep it coming.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

also, have you looked into the Stevens Institute?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

No, I have not , but I will.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

My dad went to NJIT! Except it was called Newark College of Engineering then, I think.

The A/C line goes through lots of cheap places to live in Brooklyn, but they get progressively rougher as you travel east: Crown Heights, Bed-Stuy, Weeksville, Ocean Hill, and so on to Brownsville. I lived at the Franklin Ave C stop for three years (which in the beginning was pretty sketch for a white girl at night) and got a good deal in an un-renovated old building but those are rarer now unless you know someone in the neighborhood.

Unless you're really in love with living in Brooklyn, though, I think Grove St or Journal Sq, NJ are your best choices. Once you get the A/C to the WTC station there's still a long(!) walk to transfer to the PATH, then another train fare and another ride. While I lived in Crown Heights I dated someone in JC and I really came to resent that trip. I say, don't do it.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Transfer at Penn to NJT looks much more feasible to me.

I throw brooklyn in because I know it a bit. (UWS as well)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Have friends in Brooklyn etc.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Downtown JC is somewhat gentrified - there's a wine bar, a coffee roaster, a fine tea shop, higher-end restaurants (some of which are very good), a couple of "boutique clothing shops" that I've never really taken a good look at. There's an art scene and a few gallieries but I'm not too impressed. There are some good cheap *ethnic* places - Vietnamese, Cuban, a (very slightly gussied-up) taqueria, etc. It's considerably quieter than Manhattan but population density is going to keep increasing. There are green grocers, neighborhood hardware stores, a couple of nice small parks, and everything is very walkable. I like living here well enough - it's a good compromise.

I think the train to Newark is only about 15 minutes, and to Manhattan is a little less or a little more, depending on where you're going.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

but not tied to it by any means.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

If you can keep classes down to two or three days a week and you want to live in Bklyn, go for it. But for 5 days a week or having to drop off a paper or wanting to go home for dinner or anything like that, stick to Jersey City. Unless you feel really sure that you won't mind spending up to an hour and a half in transit each way (or you only make the trip during rush hours).

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

you feel really sure that you won't mind spending up to an hour and a half in transit each way

even if you think you're sure it sucks.

chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think Grove St or Journal Sq, NJ are your best choices

http://www.gta-fr.com/sanandreas/pages/gangs/families.jpg

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, not really.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

XP: Don't start.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Is the train from Penn Station to Newark really cheaper than the PATH? I don't remember no student discounts in my day :(

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh only CERTAIN SCHOOLS are eligible wtf

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for info, I am now trying to find photos on flickr to get some idea of what the place looks like.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think taking PATH is just nicer than taking NJT. PATH is more average, everyday commuters, while the NJT is more professional, white-collar commuters. PATH also seems more free-spirited: one price--wait for a train--comes any time, whereas the NJT has specific fares and timetbales and so on. Ed, you will live at Journal Sqaure and take the PATH; it has been so ordained.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

JC looks like this

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/170131624_9707c175f6.jpg?v=0

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Which is to say: basically like Brooklyn, but with the big skyline in the opposite direction.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I consider myself told.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

New Jerseyans and New Yorkers will not hesitate to help you by telling you what you should do.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Jersey City looks like many things - to roughly paraphrase that recent NYMag piece, you can squint and think you're in Park Slope, Brooklyn one minute (attractive brownstones around the well-manicured Van Vorst Park), and feel like you're in downtown Toledo, Ohio the next (sterile high rise office buildings and chain restaurants along the waterfront). But a lot of it looks like the above photo.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ed, when you get to NJIT, maybe you can study the flow of drops of wine on glass with this guy.

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

One more thing - I think it's worth living in the Grove St. area over Journal Square if you can afford it, and I think the commuting difference is negligible. But if not, JSQ is just fine.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was going to say that Jersey City looked like Brooklyn, but I hesitated. I think it might be less green and homey than parts of Brooklyn--maybe it looks like some of the more industrial or bleaker parts of Brooklyn? With its own particular charms of course. Maybe I will choose JC when/if I move back to the NYC environs. How are the libraries?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

HELLO THE INTERIOR SCENES OF PARTY GIRL WERE FILMED IN THE GROVE STREET MAIN BRANCH.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

if either jersey city or (more likely) hoboken give you sticker-shock wr2 rental prices, you could get roommates.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

The downtown branch of the library is so-so. I don't get the impression that it anywhere close to compares to the NYPL system. There's always ILL though.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, Laurel, of course. Or, I guess I commute to the overprivileged West Village branches.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

We also lack a proper bookstore, but again, it's a quick ride to some of the good ones in Manhattan. (PATH to 9th and 6th Ave., not a bad walk to Shakespeare & Co. or The Strand). Hoboken has a Barnes & Noble (not even a particularly well-stocked one), and a used bookstore that isn't too bad. There is a new bookshop in JC that's supposed to start doing used soon but they don't have much space.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

There used to be a brilliant used bookstore right on Grove Street but it's probably some fucking restaurant now.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

We don't have a proper record store either, but we do have a couple of weirdo vinyl shops open at odd hours.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I've never been to Iris but have bought from them at record and street fairs.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

Newark was the center for insurance/accounting I think, before it moved to hartford conneticut. My father worked for...

Ha, Dan, these two sentences summarize at least one chapter in like 80% of Philip Roth's novels.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

(though the only father in insurance is Portnoy's)

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

(The mention of Roth is like a bat signal to me.)

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

are you kidding? I didn't even mention the Jew angle!

My father volunteers with what I think is like, the last Jewish Synagague in Newark. Newark apparently has tons of beautiful temples, all of which are churches or mosques now. I think it's really cool that he's involved like that. I remember him taking me to get a suit in Patterson and driving by some porn theater, "that's where we used to hang out after school..." Of course it was a porn theater then too...ZING.

He grew up in Clifton. Both his parents passed away recently so we've been back there a few times in the last year or two. Parts are really wonderful, kind of stuck in the 60s or something.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

roth grew up in weequahic, which was (and still is) middle class. unfortunately, interstate 78 cuts right through the neighborhood AND it borders one of newark's worst ghetto areas (the central ward) AND it is relatively inaccessible via public transportation.

NO LOVE FOR THE BRICK CITY HERE, YO.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

(and the Jews are long gone, obvs)

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

i would also strongly advise against living in non-university housing in the vicinity of NJIT. it's hardcore ghetto there, crack houses and all.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Portnoy's the only insurance one? I must just have too many memories from that one: I feel like I've read a lot of him drawing on the distance between Newark and Hartford as symbol of Gentile wealth, etc. (I might be mixing things up with American Pastoral, which is, what, glove cutters?)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, that's just Portnoy...

But yes: N. Everett Lindabury, Boston & Northeastern's president, had our picture hanging in our hallway. The framed photograph had been awarded to my father after he had sold his first million dollars' worth of insurance, or maybe that's what came after you hit the ten-million mark. "Mr. Lindabury," "The Home Office" . . . my father made it sound to me like Roosevelt in the White House in Washington . . . and all the while how he hated their guts, Lindabury's particularly, with his corn-silk hair and his crisp New England speech, the sons in Harvard College and the daughters in finishing school, oh the whole pack of them up there in Massachusetts, shkotzim fox-hunting! playing polo! (so I heard him one night, bellowing behind his bedroom door)--and thus keeping him, you see, from being a hero in the eyes of his wife and children.

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, AP is glove-making.

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

My sister just got an apartment in Astoria, it's really nice and close to Manhattan. Queens is a great, great place.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)


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