Did Peter Schjeldahl Really Talk Shit About Will Eisner?

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Motherfucker. He's gone too far this time. Meanwhile, I'm usually the one defending his sorry ass. No more. "Cornball histrionics" was the only quote I could get from the letters column. I'll give you "cornball", motherfucker. Get one eyeball, bitch!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 27 November 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Who and who now? /Brit

Masked Gazza, Sunday, 27 November 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

"Schiele is more than a prophetic figure of pop decadence-David Bowie avant le eight-track-but not by a wide margin."

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK YOOOOOOUUUUUU!!!!


(I'm embarrassed that I ever stood up for the guy.)

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 27 November 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

No idea who he is, but "cornball histrionics" re: almost all post-1975 Eisner = OTM.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 27 November 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

the quote's from this super-lame, snobby "they're not just for kids anymore!!" piece:

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/articles/051017crbo_books1

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

did he rip on egon schiele too? unforgivable!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

The article lost me already in the second passage, with sentences like these:

...“Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth” (2000, Pantheon) is, besides being viciously depressing, the first formal masterpiece of a medium that he has proved to be unexpectedly complex and fertile.

...Robert Crumb, for whom there is the added problem of a historical significance: he is the father of art comics.

I'm glad all the comic fans had the endurance to wait until 2000 before they got their "first formal masterpiece". And Robert Crumb probably is the father of something (father of undergroung, maybe?), but not "art comics".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 November 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

other gems:

the hilarious cranky-old-man dismissal of manga (you can almost feel him cringe typing the words "kinky romance manga for girls")

charlie brown is "clark kent without the colorful underwear" - i bet that's exactly how schulz pitched it!

american splendour is "based on comics that pekar wrote and others drew." the idea!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 28 November 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

Coming across as trying too hard while actually not trying very hard at all. New Yorker's critics & fiction sections have been rags for years

Dave Sim and Osamu Tezuka do not exist!!!

TOMBOT, Monday, 28 November 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

:POIT!:

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

The article seems to be written by someone who's only recently discovered comics made for adult readers, and has the narrowest sense of comics history, citing only the most obvious examples (Eisner, Crumb, Pekar). That wouldn't be a problem in itself, but then he tries to make some universal claims about comics based on his limited view, which is where everything goes wrong.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

that's where most people go wrong.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't dare to go on and declare something "the first formal masterpiece" of a medium I clearly don't know that much about - such a claim would almost certainly backfire. Where's the humility of reporters, why couldn't he just have written, "I've recently discovered art comics, here's a few titles I find interesting"?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Are Finnish reporters known for their humility? Most reporters I know (and I know A LOT), couldn't even spell humaifalyity.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

hes right, and hes getting pissed on for the geeks, telling the truth

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

zzzzzz

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 04:55 (twenty years ago)

sixteen years pass...

RIP (Schjeldahl, that is). I enjoyed his art writing for the Voice back in the day.

o. nate, Friday, 21 October 2022 21:41 (three years ago)

Me too. RIP.

We Have Never Been In Precise Modern Lovers Order (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 October 2022 22:07 (three years ago)

Opinions seem to be mixed around here.

We Have Never Been In Precise Modern Lovers Order (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 21 October 2022 22:11 (three years ago)

recently found nice copies of eisner's "signal from space" and "the outer space spirit" in a comic shop clearance bin for $5 each. enjoyed them immensely

the late great, Friday, 21 October 2022 23:02 (three years ago)

I loved Schjeldahl's summation of Philip Guston's paintings as “scenarios of childish fear shading into middle-aged abjection”

Dan S, Friday, 21 October 2022 23:12 (three years ago)

"To judge a work of art involves self-surrender. You are something other than your own person when in art’s spell”

Dan S, Friday, 21 October 2022 23:27 (three years ago)

“the relation of Agnes Martin’s mental illness to her art seems twofold, combining a need for concealment and for control — the grid as screen and as shield — with an urge to distill positive content from the oceanic states of mind that she couldn’t help experiencing”

Dan S, Friday, 21 October 2022 23:44 (three years ago)

"The Jeff Koons retrospective at the Whitney Museum — the last show in the Madison Avenue building, before the museum relocates downtown — calls to account the most original, controversial, and expensive American artist of the past three and a half decades. At the age of fifty-nine, Koons has behind him a parade of scandalously sensational works that include a stainless-steel cast of an inflatable bunny; a porcelain statue of Michael Jackson and his pet chimpanzee; pictures and sculptures of the artist in flagrante with his short-term first wife, the Hungarian-Italian porn star Ilona Staller (Cicciolina); a four-story-high West Highland terrier covered with growing flowers; and an orange-tinted stainless-steel balloon dog that sold at auction, last year, for more than fifty-eight million dollars, the record for a living artist. We might justly term the present Mammon-driven era in contemporary art the Koons Age. No other artist so lends himself to a caricature of the indecently rich ravening after the vulgarly bright and shiny. But mockery comes harder when, approaching the work with eyes and mind open, you encounter Koons’s formidable aesthetic intelligence"

Dan S, Friday, 21 October 2022 23:54 (three years ago)

It took me a while to realize why this thread had been bumped.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/23/the-art-of-dying

Lung cancer, rampant. No surprise. I’ve smoked since I was sixteen, behind the high-school football bleachers in Northfield, Minnesota. I used to fear the embarrassment of dying youngish, letting people natter sagely, “He smoked, you know.” But at seventy-seven I’m into the actuarial zone.

I know about ending a dependency. I’m an alcoholic twenty-seven years sober. Drink was destroying my life. Tobacco only shortens it, with the best parts over anyway.

I got the preliminary word from my doctor by phone while driving alone upstate from the city to join my wife, Brooke, at our country place. After the call, I found myself overwhelmed by the beauty of the passing late-August land. At mile eighty-one of the New York State Thruway, the gray silhouettes of the Catskills come into view, perfectly framed and proportioned. How many times had I seen and loved the sight? How many more times would I? I thought of Thomas Cole’s paintings, from another angle, of those very old, worn mountains, brooding on something until the extinction of matter.

jaymc, Saturday, 22 October 2022 03:46 (three years ago)

recently found nice copies of eisner's "signal from space" and "the outer space spirit" in a comic shop clearance bin for $5 each. enjoyed them immensely

Eisner had very little to do with The Outer Space Spirit, incidentally

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 22 October 2022 04:02 (three years ago)

in the front of the book there is a foreword by peter hamill, a ten page history by cat yronwode, and a reminiscence by eisner himself, each of which detail the working relationship between eisner, wally wood, jules feiffer and others. there are also editorial notes for each strip that do the same. it was fascinating reading.

the late great, Saturday, 22 October 2022 04:35 (three years ago)

oh wow that sounds ace

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 22 October 2022 05:07 (three years ago)

yeah it was very cool! i learned a lot, especially about wally wood

the late great, Saturday, 22 October 2022 05:19 (three years ago)

RIP. loved his writing

flopson, Saturday, 22 October 2022 21:25 (three years ago)

He wrote a review in early '21 of a collection of essays on the Frick. Here's a bit on Chardin's “Still Life with Plums”:

I have urged friends to contemplate it for several minutes. It’s less about how a jug, a glass of water, and some fruit appear—the description is perfunctory and the palette drab—than how they are what they are: instances of matter as densely actual as matter can be. The longer you gaze, the more sensitized you’ll be to quiddities of painting in relation to the real—and in relation to yourself as a viewer. Jones calls the painting “a peculiar mirror through which to ‘watch oneself watching.’ ” Ordinary things in the world interested Chardin.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 October 2022 22:52 (three years ago)

RIP. I was another avid reader of his Voice reviews as they happened. Loved his clarity.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 22 October 2022 23:30 (three years ago)

What?!?

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 October 2022 21:27 (three years ago)


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