Canadian Government to Collapse Today, No Really, I Promise This Time!

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Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

ONLY SIX HOURS TO GO!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

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Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Non-confidence vote!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

When will the elections take place Huk and who do you think will next form a government?

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

If the election writ is dropped tonight, as people are expecting, the soonest an election could be held would be Jan. 16 (there's a weird law in Napoleonic Quebec that says elections can only happen on Mondays).
I don't think anybody will be able to form a majority gov't, and none of the parties are really getting along with each other right now, so it could be pretty hairy for a while.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Um, more info, huk? The only major headline I saw in the papers in Vancouver this weekend was "B.C. soldier killed in Afghanistan".. I would have thought if the Canadian government was collapsing, there might be, you know, a bit more coverage..(then again, this is the Vancouver Sun we're talking about.)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

ah sorry.. xpost

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051128.wvote1128/BNStory/National/

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Bills that could die if government falls

Energy-cost assistance

C-66: An act to authorize payments to provide assistance in relation to energy costs, housing energy consumption and public transit infrastructure, and to make consequential amendments to certain acts.
Would provide cheques of $125 or $250 to 3.1 million households to cover rising energy costs, at a total price tag of $565-million.
Received first reading in the House of Commons.


Whistle-blower protection

C-11: An act to establish a procedure for the disclosure of wrongdoings in the public sector, including the protection of persons who disclose the wrongdoings.
Would allow civil servants to alert the government of wrongdoing in their department without compromising their positions.
Passed by the House of Commons, awaiting Senate passage


Pot decriminalization

C-17: An act to amend the Contraventions Act and the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and to make consequential amendments to other acts.
The marijuana decriminalization bill would impose fines instead of criminal sentences against people caught with small quantities of the drug.
Received first reading in the House of Commons


Do-not-call list

C-37: An act to amend the Telecommunications Act.
The unsolicited telecommunications bill prevents telemarketers from phoning households on a do-not-call list.
Passed by the House of Commons, awaiting Senate passage


Financial items

Supplementary estimates to be voted on Dec. 8:
A $220-million increase in Old Age Security payments and guaranteed income supplement payments.
A $100-million program to compensate farmers for the mad-cow crisis.
A $6-billion transfer to the provinces to cover health and education costs.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh jesus.. if only this could happen in the U.S. this easily... (granted, we'd be solving problems in our parallel case.)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

It's not THAT easy. Some (not enough) of the Opposition tried back in June.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Typically informative CBC backgrounder:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/election2005/minoritygovt.html

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I suppose the Conservatives think they can get a minority government out of this, but what do the NDP and the Bloc think they'll get out of new elections?

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Well, the Bloc exists on pure spite, so any chance to humiliate the Liberals is good fun for them. The NDP, I think, is hoping to get enough seats to form a coalition with the Liberals, so that they can effectively set the tone for policy, but then also criticize the Liberals when they feel like it. And make jokes about pyjamas.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Everything about politics in this country right now would be a total joke if it wasn't so completely depressing.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Well that was fun. And in a few months either Martin or Harper will be forced to step down, YAY!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

The NDP, I think, is hoping to get enough seats to form a coalition with the Liberals, so that they can effectively set the tone for policy, but then also criticize the Liberals when they feel like it. And make jokes about pyjamas.

This is why I've lost a lot of respect for Jack Layton. They already HAD those things. Layton's reasoning should have been: in the event that I withdraw my support from the Liberal coalition:

Best Case Scenario: my party gains a few more seats and sits in a Liberal minority govt

Worst Case Scenario: PM STEPHEN HARPER ... NDP HAS ZERO FEDERAL INFLUENCE

Layton got obsessed with wielding power not for any useful political gain, but just because he could. NDP numbers spiked a few percent following his decision to withdraw from the govt, but that's obviously a short-term reaction. He's deluded himself into thinking that he'll win more votes by shitting on the Liberals now and looking like a tough guy wielding a bit stick than he would have by not doing anything and waiting for an election to be called in another two months. The Conservatives can draw votes away from the Liberals, whereas I haven't seen any evidence that the NDP can do it in anything approaching significant numbers.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

PM STEPHEN HARPER ... NDP HAS ZERO FEDERAL INFLUENCE

i feel like puking.

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, the Bloc exists on pure spite, so any chance to humiliate the Liberals is good fun for them.

Be careful. There are a couple of closet seperatists lurking about on ILE and they'll have your head for comments like that. (I completely agree with you)

I had my application for an absentee ballot all filled out and ready to go back in April. Looks like I'd better dig it out of my desk drawer.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

CP is predicting Jan. 23 as the likely date for an election, making the 56-day campaign one of the longest in Canadian history. In my particular rural riding, the result is almost a foregone conclusion, with the popular Conservative incumbent very likely being restored to his seat.
Funny enough, the local Liberals recruited a high-ranking Toyota executive to carry the Grit banner, and with a brand new Toyota plant slated to open in our riding in 2008, that may carry some weight.
The NDP, sadly, might collect about eight per cent of the local vote if previous elections are any indication.

Binjominia (Brilhante), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Christ, the US oughtta give the 56 day thing a whirl.

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, I kind of like our 700-day campaigns. Enough time to get interested, fed up and angry, apathetic and then back to interested again.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

Also, our political parties can only spend a maximum of $18 million on their respective campaigns. Quick and cheap in comparison.

Binjominia (Brilhante), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

They are allowed to kiss no more than 700 babies.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Be careful. There are a couple of closet seperatists lurking about on ILE and they'll have your head for comments like that. (I completely agree with you)

yeeeeesh

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that wasn't exactly accurate.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Well, I didn't mean that Separatists/Sovereigntists exist purely out of spite, but just that, y'know, in terms of Parliamentary whozits, but REALLY, if you wanna see a political party built on spite, the Conservatives have more bile per cubic centimetre than anyone else.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Prediction: Campaign headquarters will be based in Victoria.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

mindinrewind otm re: useless and potentially destructive ndp power-jockeying.

what do you all make of michael ignatieff running as a liberal?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

michael ignatieff running as a liberal
Bizarre, unlikely to matter to most voters.
Is Doug Gilmour really running as a Conservative?

When is the final Gomery Report due? If the Liberals are re-elected, will they be forced to call yet another election within 30 days of the Final Gomery Report, as they'd previously promised?

Minority governments look like they're going to be the norm for the foreseeable future, does that mean Parliament will probably never be functional again? Or can the current players be expected to make Government work at some point?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

maybe everyone will be so totally sick of the major parties that we'll end up with a Green/FPNPoC/Bloc coalition gov't.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to be in Victoria this Christmas. Anything I can do to help with covert actions? (Oh whoops! *sssssssssssssh*)

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

The Daily Show's bit about the collapse of the government was reported on CTV's 11PM news. WTF? "YAYAYAYAY!!!! Americans think we're important enough to be spoofed on their popular TV shows. That's gotta be newsworthy."

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

fucking canadian media man. SO embarrassing.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Does the Daily Show run on CTV?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

Yup. at midnight.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7350/1229/1600/HarperXmas.jpg

Hello My Fellow Conservatives,

It has come to my attention that the lying Liberals have recently released an “Elexmas newsletter”. This is nothing but another example of the “culture of entitlement” and I would like to take this opportunity to emulate them. Let us never forget, as Conservatives, we despise the Liberals and all they stand for; but there must be no discernable difference between us and them.

So, Merry Elexmas!

By now you know that we have defeated the government. It has been suggested that the people of Canada do not want an election at this juncture. Those of you who know me know this: I don’t care what the people think. I am not a people person. I don’t like people and the feeling is mutual.

I must admit I am sick of this discussion. I ask you, why in heaven’s name would I like People? The so called “people” had their chance 18 months ago and they choose not to give me a majority. This morning I suggested to Tom Flannigan that we should change our campaign slogan from “Standing up for Canada” to “Fuck the People”. He said no, pointing out that in politics honesty is not the best policy. “Besides” he added, “300 million bucks on an election nobody wants is about as big a “fuck you” to the people that the Tories can muster”. How we laughed!

So far I feel the campaign is going really well. In an effort to appease Ontario voters it is imperative that we bring forward an image of moderation. To this end I would like to point out that I waited a full five hours after parliament dissolved before I started in on the queers.

...

Anyway it’s day two and I have to run. Somebody at Tory Headquarters gave my phone number to Peter McKay and now I have to get a new phone and initiate another purge.

Good luck and God Bless.
Stephen Harper

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:37 (twenty years ago)

oops
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/dysign/ilx/HarperXmas.jpg

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

wtf
anyhow - that was the latest post from Rck Mercer's blog

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, I'm just saying that having the Daily Show bit be news probably has nothing to do with wanting American attention so much as it's an advertisement for another show on their network. I don't know if that's better, though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

I think it's a little of both.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Be careful. There are a couple of closet seperatists lurking about on ILE and they'll have your head for comments like that. (I completely agree with you)

Hahaha, "closeted" my ass, moron.

And anyway yeah, at this point the Bloc does exist primarily out of spite, and hey, why not?

Patrick (Patrick), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

What'll be awesome is watching what happens when the Bloc and the Conservatives try to make a coalition gov't happen. That'll be great (except for people who, you know, like their government to not be hamstrung, but at this point in history, I don't think we're going to see an effective government for like another 3 or 4 years).

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Well, Haper has just promised to cut the GST. Conservative minority ho!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

what a face that stephen harper has.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

BUT WHAT WILL BECOME OF MY SWEET GST CHEQUES?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

ANSWER ME, MR HARPER.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Scrap the GST, but keep the GST cheques = Conservative majority!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha, "closeted" my ass, moron.

I don't think anyone would acuse you of being in the closet as you've made it quite clear where you stand.

And anyway yeah, at this point the Bloc does exist primarily out of spite, and hey, why not?

Nice to see that you're finally being honest anyway.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

Howdy! Let me lead your next gay cowboy orgy government.
http://www.ehmac.ca/gallery/uploads/1213/Rodeoclown.jpeg

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 2 December 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

i actually am not a sepratist, but am a post nationalist, and am v. v. fond of every one of the BQs other policies.

in Quebec, i would work for them

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 2 December 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)


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