Passports required for U.S./Canada travel by 2007/8 -- WA/BC say "FUCK THAT"

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Washington, B.C. object to passport requirement

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- Washington state and British Columbia are objecting to a U.S. proposal to require passport checks at border crossings.

Tourism officials fear visits between the two countries will drop, knocking a big hole in the regional economy, if the U.S. Department of Homeland Security begins enforcement on Jan. 1, 2007.

Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire and British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell are drafting a joint letter to the agency expressing their concerns.

"We have to have security, there is no question about that," Gregoire told the Everett Herald. "On the other hand, can we have security to the point where we can really harm the economies?"

Jarrod Agen, a Homeland Security spokesman, said the intent is not to crimp trade in the name of protecting citizens.

"Even the president himself has said he doesn't want it to stifle flow at the border and affect the economy and trade," he said.

There are indications, however, that the passport requirement would do just that.

A July report by the Canadian Tourism Commission predicts 7.7 million fewer Americans would visit Canada in the following three years as a result of the change. Of those, 1.3 million would be travelers to British Columbia. The agency also estimated a drop of 3.5 million trips from Canada to the U.S., tens of thousands of them Washington-bound.

The report even noted a decline this year as travelers without passports dropped their travel plans, thinking the law already had taken effect.

Only a quarter of Americans are estimated to have passports. Currently, photo identification and a birth certificate will get a traveler across the border.

Darrell Bryan, executive vice president and general manager of the Victoria Clipper tourism boats, said ridership into Canadian ports is down compared with last year, even as numbers have increased on routes wholly within Washington.

He said 17 percent of the summer passengers who were surveyed said they wouldn't make the trip if they were required to get a passport.

"Seventeen percent would put us out of business," Bryan said. "We want to find ways to enhance security at the border, but we don't believe security should trump trade. There has to be a balance."

The passport requirement was recommended by the Sept. 11 commission. It requires citizens of the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Caribbean, and Central and South America to have passports when entering this country.

Enforcement would begin in 2007 for those traveling by air or sea, and one year later at land border crossings.

The proposal arrived with little debate or a showing that it would boost safety, said Ken Oplinger, head of the Bellingham-Whatcom Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

"I don't know that requiring soccer moms to have passports will make us safer," he said, noting that all of the 19 terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks had passports. "It may only give us the illusion we're safer."

At the urging of tourism leaders, Gregoire is joining the fray. Earlier this month, she sent a letter to the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection calling the passport requirement "burdensome documentation" without "sufficiently accounting for the costs and benefits of this strategy."

Two more letters are expected soon, one co-signed with Campbell, the B.C. premier, and another signed by the governors of Idaho, Montana and Oregon. In January, state legislators will be asked to pass a resolution expressing their concerns.

In Washington state, tourism overall in 2004 accounted for 140,000 jobs and $11 billion in spending, according to a study by Dean Runyan and Associates. An estimated seven out of 10 international travelers into the state come from Canada, mostly from British Columbia.

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I highlighted my favorite part of the article. Given that the reddest of the red states think this is bullshit, I have a hard time believing this will fly by the end of the year, much less by 2007.

Granted, the 2007 thing applies to sea and air travel, and 2008 applies to land crossings. Still though.. fucking lame. It will only overload the passport agencies, and there will be more confusion who is legit and who is "not" in the end. The "bad guys" are going to have their shit together, not the absent-minded hippies with backpacks and guitars.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

You're just happy cause you can smuggle illegal soccer moms across the border in a toque.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

That's a big-ass toque.

Dan (Or Small-Ass Soccer Moms) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

I like that a head of a chamber of commerce uses the term "soccer mom". I want to buy that guy a beer.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

(uses it in public, that is.)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

WA = Israel
BC = Gaza

andy --, Monday, 28 November 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Washington, B.C.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

gazanja

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Western Oregon, western Washington and western B.C. will someday be the nation of Cascadia.

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't see how it's all that much easier now. who has copies of their birth certificate lying around? not me.

i did get my new passport in the mail this past week, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

No love for Del Norte and Humboldt county, CA? (xpost)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

It's a lot easier and cheaper to get a copy of your (or anyone's actually) birth certificate than it is to get a passport.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

xpost

If they wanna. But doesn't something somehow change around Crescent City?

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

It's a lot easier and cheaper to get a copy of your (or anyone's actually) birth certificate than it is to get a passport.

i'd imagine it prolly varies by city/municipality as far as cost, no? and a passport is only $67, even my broke ass has one.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Well, the thing is: you can actually get a copy of your birth certificate at a relatively small cost within a week or so, if you go to http://www.vitalchek.com (it will depend on your state and county of birth of course.) -- passports cost a bit more (like $100 including the photos.. not prohibitively expensive, but enough such that people procrastinate, bigtime) and it takes a month for it to be approved.

Personally, I don't see why everyone doesn't pursue one... it does make life easier for the traveller than it does the customs officials in the long run. They jot down your names at the borders and keep a record of your travelling activity, passport or not.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

And as dude from Bham says.. the real terrorists are going to be legit anyway.

I think the whole "tighter security" b.s. is just an excuse to make life for customs officials to be easier, since slipping a passport through is a lot easier than reading a photo ID and birth certificate.

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

"i'd imagine it prolly varies by city/municipality as far as cost, no? and a passport is only $67, even my broke ass has one."

It may vary slightly, but it's still cheaper than a passport and as DB points out the turnaround is usually much faster.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

it does make life easier for the traveller than it does the customs officials in the long run.

I meant to qualify this statement, as it seems to directly conflict with my previous post. in the LONG run, if you end up forcing a lot of people to have passports, then you're only going to increase the probability of people with "bad intent" to pursue getting passports. It just makes the already rampant identity theft issue that much stronger. All one would need now is someone's passport number...

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

ugh donut yr new name is disgusting

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

thanks! :D

<3 teabag! *smooches blount*

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Gay marketing (which I'm involved with) is fuelled by the fact that only 13% of straight Americans have passports, while over 65% of gay folks have one... so there you go.

andy --, Monday, 28 November 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

see i was thinking of 'nut' in a different sense

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

passports cost a bit more (like $100 including the photos.. not prohibitively expensive, but enough such that people procrastinate, bigtime)

no, it was $67 for the passport, prolly less than $10 (i don't remember exactly) for the photos. and it took only 3 weeks (but it can take up to 6).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

If they wanna. But doesn't something somehow change around Crescent City?

Well, things change around Tumwater, WA and Salem, OR too. And come on -- Crescent City has suffered a tsunami -- let's be fair, here. In any case, this shouldn't discount Arcata's qualifications for Cascadia. (Eureka can be lopped off for all I care, though.)

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

not that i wanna be all mr-let's-hear-it-for-the-state-department, but yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Gay marketing (which I'm involved with) is fuelled by the fact that only 13% of straight Americans have passports, while over 65% of gay folks have one... so there you go.

TEH GAY AGENDA! WHERE'S DOBSON?

dali madison's nut (donut), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

no, it was $67 for the passport, prolly less than $10 (i don't remember exactly) for the photos. and it took only 3 weeks (but it can take up to 6).

In WA state, it was $85 for the passport, not including the photos. So, yeah, it's probably cheaper in NYC than in Seattle. Still though, I think we agree it's no more than the cost of an Xbox game and a dinner at Dave & Buster's.. i.e. not a big dent.

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

see i was thinking of 'nut' in a different sense

I didn't use the word "gon'", though.

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

cf. 'ugh, yr breath smells like nut'

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

I've always felt the major change was north of Cloverdale on Hwy 101... south of that is all oaks, vineyards and scrub brush, but from that point North it becomes more rugged, coniferous and anglo.

andy -, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

In WA state, it was $85 for the passport, not including the photos. So, yeah, it's probably cheaper in NYC than in Seattle.

that makes no sense. it's $67 for everybody, it's not by state. maybe it's more if you include postage? tho even then i'm not sure, unless all the passport applications go to pittsburgh. i sent mine from work for free.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

actually, if it's your first time, it's only $60. and you can apply at post offices.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

I had to write a check for $85 to the passport agency office in person, plus I had to provide those two photographs, which cost around $10.. Mine was mailed to me. This was in 2004. Maybe some states add taxes for stuff like that. I dunno. Or maybe the prices of passports have gone down very recently. But I definitely didn't pay anything as low as the $60 to $67 range total. I'm sure you're not lying either. But are you sure that fee is a federal thing?

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

(and this was definitely a government building.. not some intermediary service I went through..)

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Despite what he told you, "Ricky's van" is not a government building.

Dan (The More You Know) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I would never go to a place called "Ricky's Van". Give me SOME credit. (it was Tito's Travel Bits -- they're far more reliable.)

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)


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