― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago)
― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago)
...kissing Santa Claus, undneath the mistletoe last night....
― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago)
― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)
he was shorter than i expected, in the trainers-jeans-and-blazer look. they allowed people to get amazingly close. co-worker shook his hand.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago)
Although, And I'm not a huge student of American politcs so I could be wrong, but I believe it was Al Gore who made Dubya possible.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)
― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago)
3xpost
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago)
― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago)
― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)
-- Theorry Henry (miltonpinsk...), December 2nd, 2005.
it's never too late
― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago)
― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)
ha. how so? other than no child left behind.
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)
― tobo (tobo), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago)
Exactly! Style is meaningless if it is backed up by content; the thing about Reagan and Bush I is that even though I disagreed with their content, I at least had some reassurance that content existed (much moreso with Bush I, admittedly). Bush II appears to be treating the Presidency like a vanity project as opposed to a job.
(xpost DAMMIT ALLY STOP PRE-EMPTING ME ALREADY GAWD)
― Dan (Wafer-Thin President) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago)
you must be a shortarse. he wasn't tall. or maybe all the secret service d00ds surrounding him made him look short.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago)
Check out that BBC documentary The Century of the Self; it has its flaws, but the last hour details how that shit Dick Morris engineered Clinton's '96 re-election by putting a phone staff in some Denver office and polling nationwide for EVERY DETAIL of what Bill should say on the stump. Which is how the V-chip and other trivia became major issues.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago)
Oh man, now i'm remembering the Phil Hartman "Clinton in McDonalds" SNL sketch. Those seem like from another lifetime.
― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago)
Re Gore, remember the testy fallout amid the 2000 recount saying a chill btwn Al and Bill had resulted in Clinton staying off the campaign trail?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
I think if Gore was president right now, for example, we'd have a fairly different "terror war." His initial response to 9/11 might have been slightly more tepid than Bush's, he might not have talked as tough, but then I also think he would have been much more cautious about war in Iraq. And that war is really becoming the epicenter from which a lot of our woes ripple out.
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)
That's a strawman; LBJ is no one's idea of a MOR, but he signed the civil rights legislation because of conviction, knowing he was giving away the South for ... 40 years, so far?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
so you're saying that losing to W isn't Clinton's fault, especially given that he wasn't involved much in 2000, but LBJ's fault? i mean, why don't you blame FDR for giving us presidential term limits that got rid of a guy who demonstrably could have beaten W?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)
I've never heard a single leftist defend Clinton. Ask a leftist about Clinton and he'll either clear his throat and change the subject or blast Dick Morris for promulgating the triangulation of policy theory.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.ghost-pictures.org/images/Bill-Clinton-Marilyn-Monroe.jpg
http://www.hofstra.edu/images/Cul_ClintonPoints.jpg
http://i.timeinc.net/time/2002/elections/covers/large/large_920323.jpg
http://devers.homeip.net:8080/images/hsquare.jpg
http://www.barton.nl/richard/bio/clinton.jpg
http://www.murdophoto.com/personalities/images/Bill%20Clinton.jpg
http://www.hotboots.com/images/clintnbt.jpg
http://www.shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_dan/billclintoncomputer.jpg
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
extremely OTM.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago)
Well I used Colbert cuz he reaches a few more ppl than Chomsky.
Clinton (I guess) hated the right, and caved to them entirely on major shit he thought would get him elected after Gingrich '94. In that BBC show, Robert Reich recalls Morris telling him "What good is an agenda if you don't get elected?" -- and Reich countered with the reverse.
There's even a Clinton moment described in a memoir where he autocritiques "We're Eisenhower Republicans," and I think he was understating it.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)
― nein Socken (nein Socken), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)
― oooh, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)
Surely you had friends who told you in '95 and '96 "He's just tacking right to get elected; we'll see THE REAL, LIBERAL BILL in Term Two." Crap.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)
(xpost: I didn't have a single friend who was a serious politico who said anything remotely like that! Most of them were either overjoyed that Clinton was centrist or annoyed that he wasn't more liberal; none of them thought he was doing a bait-and-switch.)
― Dan (Bideebideebidee) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)
Maybe.
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)
That I don't know any?
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (Grrr Dumbass) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)
Now that I think about it, I really don't think I could stand being around that fucking smarmy grin. Therefore, I shall drink beer with Al Gore.
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)
http://a820.g.akamai.net/7/820/822/1d/www.esquire.com/img/cover/2000/2000_14.jpg
― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago)
Hell, if nothing else, you could ask him what he thought about his wife going up against Frank Zappa twenty years ago.
Dubya is way too much like the account executives who populated my old company, i.e. i wouldn't have a beer with you if you paid for it.
― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Friday, 2 December 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago)
OTMFM (though maybe I'd substitute deluded for ignorant)
I think it's funny that he's now trying to out-Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter - does anyone think that all of these new projects are anything but Clinton figuring out how to remain an influential figure for as long as humanly possible? The Esquire 'genius' article frames them as an issue of principle, but I call bullshit. Homeboy didn't give a damn about African AIDS until Jan. 2001.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago)
"Why that is a beautiful baby. Say, is that the new peppermint mocha frapacino?"
― Abbadabba Berman (Hurting), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago)
Actually, the seventies were the most liberal and reformist time in history. I'm not sure WHY the maps looked the way they did, but the eighties saw an enormously hateful backlash against the reforms and govt programs of the sixties and seventies. If you weren't old enough to witness the seventies, you wouldn't know it, though - so much damage has been done. So to just point to a map as if it indicates anything is kind of reductive.
For example, in the seventies, Christian evangelicalism was a LIBERAL movement.
― old timer, Friday, 2 December 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago)
"he made dubya possible" is nonsense: gore sabotaged his own campaign by trying to distance himself from clinton as much as possible and half the country still voted for him! the public's supposed distaste for clinton was basically a conservative myth.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago)