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On BBC Breakfast news this morning they had some thatcher's child saying, on the subject of the SWT Strike, 'I don't know very much about it but I'm not very impressed'. When did striking for better pay and conditions become such a terrible thing? Why can't people see how much was gained by people standing up for their rights to be treated as humans rather than wage slaves?

Then in the Evening Standard (or 'Evening Bastard') there was a full-page advert from the chairman of the train company containing the most smarmy, obsequious 'apology' for the lack of service today, saying that the company had done all they could to avert the strike and the ensuing inconvenience to (cough) customers. Underlying message was of course that the rail workers were a bunch of ingrates who wanted to fuck everything up for Joe Commuter. When in fact the company has cut the service to maximise profit.

NB:- SWT was one of the train companies that, when it received its franchise, sacked a significant portion of its drivers, leaving the rest in fear of dismissal, and failed to lease enough rolling stock so that for the first three years of its franchise it was being fined for failing to provide the minimum levels of service agreed in its franchise. (It made massive profits over this period)

Ed, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did *any* of the post-privitisation rail companies actually operate a decent service and/or behave well towards their staff?

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

SWT strike = I couldn't go out with my girfriend tonight = striking for better pay and conditions IS a terrible thing = fuck that shit

jamesmichaelward, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No but SWT are a particularly shameful example, Arriva North, going on strike today, are similarly shocking. But then nationalised rail was hardly a halcyon period, nor were the interwar years of private companies simply due to the massive subsidies they ate up. You have to go back to the late victorian period for a railway system that worked well in the private sector. (Sorry that's a bit of a diversion)

Ed, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i only really use the Tube, but when they go on strike i don't really mind even though of course it causes massive inconvenience. i do have sympathy with strikers, especially for those workers who provide absolutely essential and often taken for granted services. i do moan about the Tube a LOT but even i can see that it works far more often than not and that i would be completely lost without it. and being a tube driver must be a right pain in the ass sometimes!

having said this, Tube price have just been hoiked up yet AGAIN = a MASSIVE CHIZ.

katie, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I heard it wasn't about pay & conditions at all, more like some union official in a strop about HIS pay, but this could have been PROPAGANDA!

DG, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I live in Zone 1 so I don't give a fuck about the commuters. They want the city buzz by day but don't want to put up with all the other hassles, so fuck 'em. Less people from Surrey coming into the city = less crowds on tube, so they can strike forever AFAIC, not that I give a fuck about the surly, inept rail employees either.

dave q, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Katie's definition of not really minding when tube drivers go on strike: getting into minor grump with everyone and their dog apart from tube drivers for duration of strike.

RickyT, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

everyone and their dog ALL GOT IN MY WAY when i was walking home from Regent Street to Goldhawk Road!!!!

katie, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Slow down, you move too fast... The curry will wait. A sa leisurely man with very few deadlines in my life I am not too fussed with the commute. That said the SouthWest Trains branch of the RMT is partularliy hard line left wing and the two disputes they have with SWT are pretty niggly. The equalisation of pay rights with the drivers has a good case but no sympathy considering the deal the other staff has been offered is the same without these collective bargaining rights. The demoted driver I have no sympathy for as he admits that he has been a danger.

Pete, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is the rise being offered above inflation rate? If it was, they should just take the money before they start to piss off the public a bit too much, methinks. And if that driver story really is true (he is high up in the union apparently, almost became leader) then it's highly ridiculous. I think it all boils down to would you want a driver who regularly breaks the rules driving your train?

Bill, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The rise in question is one agreed for last april but not delivered on. The condition in question is the ability for all train crew, drivers and gaurds, to bargain collectively and recieve rises etc. at the same time.

Ed, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, hence why this pay rise is apparently going to be backdated. I am wary of this topic because I sense both sides are quite capable of talking copious amounts of bullshit.

Bill, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

strikes don't happen in orgs that are happy, successful, well-run: which is why the direct cause can sometimes seem a bit thin

wryly apposite cartoon in the sun today which sort of suggests that management's big ad-spreads are being taken w.a massive pinch of salt, even in quarters w/o sympathy for strike action evah. Two passengers looking up at a station arrivals board: line after line of TRAIN CANCELLED. Says one: "So more strikes then?" Says the other: "Hard to tell..."

mark s, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I catch the bus.

Ally C, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

so. barring the mother of all last-minute deals, today i'm going on strike. 3pm BST.

i don't know anyone else from my generation who's done this. i'm 1% nervous and 99% BRING IT THE FUCK ON. we're doing it, fundamentally, in protest at compulsory redundancies. maybe even just one compulsory redundancy, singular (although that's not yet clear). but i figure one job is a job worth fighting for.

and if we don't do this now -- if we don't take a stand -- we're fucked. we might be fucked anyway, but we're definitely fucked otherwise.

so. anyone got any light-hearted laughing-round-the-brazier stories to share? or, conversely, tales of abject woe about how they got locked out, then gunned down by their cackling boss?

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

Come gather round children it's high time ye learned
‘bout a hero named Homer and a devil named Burns.
We'll march ‘till we drop the girls and the fellas
we'll fight ‘till the death or else fold like umbrellas
So we'll march day and night by the big cooling tower
they have the plant but we have the power

max, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

Onimo's yer man for grumbling about a lack of brazier on the cold picket line. I shall probably be passing your work around that time on way to/from meetings, I would've thought, shall I toot my horn in solidarity at you? Or throw you a bacon butty to warm your cold placard-clenching hands?

ailsa, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

grimly someone else i know - in publishing - was talking strike too. what's the story?

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

Mine was only a one day thing. It was fucking freezing and windy and wet and miserable and no fucker ordered a brazier - you'd think with the renumeration we were demanding for being such professional project managers and engineers one of us would have organised a wee heater and a fucking bacon buttie but no, we had soggy leaflets and soggy banners and cold fucking feet.

The highlight of the day was one of my staff (who was working, different union, not a scab) bringing me out a hot cup of soup at lunchtime.

The strike achieved the sum total of fuck all so far but I'm still a firm believer in the denial of labour as a means of fighting for better conditions.

onimo, Thursday, 19 July 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

I've been talking to vets of the year-long Aberdeen strike, and they make it sound grim as hell. Some of the scabs are still being ostracised, 17 years on.

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:08 (eighteen years ago)

no judgment on grimly or anyone else on the thread, but honestly i'm kind of a mixed mind about strikes -- the thing that bothers me most about corporate economics is not lower pay for normal employees but the exorbitant salaries and bonuses of executives. (ok, well, i also really don't like the massive outsourcing of jobs to temp firms and contract workers so that companies can save on/eliminate benefits).

mitya, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

stet - are you going on strike too?

gr8080, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

ye

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)

have been eyeing the scabs in the office, as they sit trying to prepare a paper ahead of time.

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:40 (eighteen years ago)

liveblog that shit, yo.

gr8080, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

grimly someone else i know - in publishing - was talking strike too. what's the story?

understandably, there are a few reasons i'm not mad keen to post the precise details all over ILX. the knowledge that i work for a newspaper in glasgow should give you enough information to begin finding out a lot more :)

the thing that bothers me most about corporate economics is not lower pay for normal employees but the exorbitant salaries and bonuses of executives

this isn't about pay. it's about compulsory redundancies: redundancies for which there is absolutely no need, given the number of people who applied to leave voluntarily and were refused. (and given the company's profits, but that's another story.)

it's about jobs. and it's about saving three newspapers.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:10 (eighteen years ago)

apparently royal mail workers went on strike last week! i didn't notice at all; not getting mail delivered on time, or indeed ever, is their default position anyway.

lex pretend, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

no judgment on grimly or anyone else on the thread, but honestly i'm kind of a mixed mind about strikes -- the thing that bothers me most about corporate economics is not lower pay for normal employees but the exorbitant salaries and bonuses of executives. (ok, well, i also really don't like the massive outsourcing of jobs to temp firms and contract workers so that companies can save on/eliminate benefits).

-- mitya, Friday, 20 July 2007 02:23 (6 hours ago) Link

strikes are not that often about pay and pay alone.

xpost

haha yeah indeed -- post in not arriving shock.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

my mail -- i absolutely shit you not -- seems to have been more reliable recently. fuck. i hope our strike doesn't have the same kind of effect.

thing is, i want out of the whole game: after 10 years as a staff hack and two or three years' freelancing before that, i really have reached the end of the affair with journalism. so i'm strangely unworried about my own future within the paper. at the next round of voluntary redundancies, i will be champing at the bit (i applied last time but withdrew, and i still think that was the right thing to do in the circumstances; that said, looking at who they let go and who they didn't, i don't think i'd have been in with any kind of chance). but that doesn't mean i don't care passionately about this.

and i will fight for the principles at stake with every fucking breath i have.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

the exorbitant salaries

I like what one highpaid manager said: "If you pay someone peanuts,you'll get a monkey (instead of me)."
Very funny.

nathalie, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

royal mail workers still on strike here in oxford. the sorting office is right by my office. nobody picketing today (if you could see the rain here you'd know why)

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

I don't like strikes very much. Here they seem to be so random and the main victims are "us" lot. I know that's partially why they do it, but still I want to go on a strike myself once. Alas I'm self-employed so it wouldn't do me much good. ;-)

nathalie, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

oxford post office has been strike-y for years. some weird racial stuff going on iirc.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 20 July 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

I like what one highpaid manager said: "If you pay someone peanuts,you'll get a monkey (instead of me)."

Someone I worked with once compared the promotion ladder to monkeys climbing a tree. They fight for the top branches to assert their superiority then they shit all over the monkeys below them. The monkeys at the bottom look up and all they see is arseholes.

onimo, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

I'm in the civil service union which is rather fond of striking due to the hard left leadership - spookily strike dates always seem to coincide with annual leave that I've already pre-booked so I've never had to use my conscience over crossing the picket line. Also out of an office of about 40, only 3 of us are actually union members so even if we were to walk out there would be little effect.

There have been large staff reductions in the civil service post-Gershon but within our little outpost the reductions have been achieved through natural wastage and voluntary redundancies so I guess it's not bitten hard enough to spur us into action. Pay is a huge issue but without collective bargaining it's all just hot air.

If I could drive and lived in Glasgow I'd be sure to drive by and beep my horn in support but as neither is the case I'll just send my best wishes here.

leigh, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'd drive by and beep my horn if Stet didn't have my car.

Madchen, Friday, 20 July 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

Perhaps you can go on strike if you know what I mean

Mark C, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hai guise, can I bring you hot soup when I get out of work at five?

Madchen, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

I think the picket will be over by then. We're being all multimedia about it, and organising the walk-out for the benefit of the cameras, then going to the liquid office.

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Will the scab edition cover the strike? Do you have scab photographers taking pictures of you?

onimo, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

No chance, they'll pretend it didn't happen. I wonder if the public will notice the difference? Photogs be taking pictures of the scabs!

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

I've been on strike in four different disputes in the nine years since I started full time work. They usually took the form of a series of one day stoppages, but there was a lengthy work to rule at one point.

treefell, Friday, 20 July 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

We're on work to rule and have been for months, but I think many of my 'comrades' have forgotten. Many of them didn't waste much time getting pally with the scab boss when it came to bonus appraisals either.

onimo, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Work to rule is unworkable for us, because done right it means hours of delay, and then you have to walk out at shift's end with the paper not done.

stet, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a Civil Servant so it's likely, because the Government fucked the nurses over on their pay and the public actually give a shit about them, that we're going to be offered a pay deal so appalling that we'll actually end up owing them money.

I suspect that means we'll be out on strike again this year...

Stone Monkey, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

The Herald/Times strike was just trailed for the 1.30 BBC One Scotland news bulletin.

Alba, Friday, 20 July 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6907764.stm

Madchen, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

I notice the BBC have dropped TB's quote about the percentage vote in favour :)

Madchen, Friday, 20 July 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

The first five minutes of Reporting Scotland were devoted to the strike. Spotted on telly: Stet, Alba and a girl who was sick in RJG's sink.

Madchen, Friday, 20 July 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

hey! i was in there too. somewhere. stet said he saw my tie on the BBC news.

christ, i'm drunk. it's probably wrong of me to admit that being on strike was so much fun :/

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 21 July 2007 02:19 (eighteen years ago)

I saw you the second time around - you were a bit blurry though.

Madchen, Sunday, 22 July 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

Gd luck to the ILX/Herald three

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, hope things go well for you guys (+ Tom/Graeme etc.). Need to meet up for a drink at some point soon.

Keith, Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

I completely missed this. Go, guys! Stick it to the man!

emil.y, Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

I like what one highpaid manager said: "If you pay someone peanuts,you'll get a monkey (instead of me)."

Overpaid bosses in "spouting cliches" non-shocker :-)

Good luck with the strike, guys. I've never worked anywhere that I've had to strike, but I've stood up for principles, undertaken my own works-to-rule and resigned over things that have gone wrong when I know there's no way of changing it (I've never worked for a large, unionised, employer, basically), so I'm there with you all in spirit.

Nathalie, I think you are very much missing the point of strike action. No-one *wants* to go on strike, but pointing out the effects of pissing off your employees to the point where you don't have an effective workforce sometimes needs to be done. If it inconveniences "us lot", then perhaps the bosses might like to think about how to motivate and reward a workforce so that people continue to provide those services for us, be it a newspaper, a civil service, public transport, emergency services, a postal service or someone to collect refuse once a week. If you want to go standing outside your own shop for a laugh protesting about yourself, feel free. But I've heard enough first hand from a couple of people on this thread to know the principles behind their actions, and they are more than justified in doing so. And I don't think they'd be doing it if they didn't feel they had to.

Then again, gets you off work for a couple of hours, innit?

ailsa, Sunday, 22 July 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

just back from my first-ever shift on a picket line (and just in time to see myself looking like a tit on the lunchtime news, hurrah). that's our first full day out (friday's only began at 3pm). the continuous work-to-rule is already starting to bite, too. not sure when the next walkout will be, but hey.

this is not going to be over quickly, though.

good job i have the stomach for a long fight.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

Good luck with this. Strikes in Higher Ed have always been relatively civilized at the places I've worked, but I've been lucky in terms of the places I've worked.

byebyepride, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)


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