How do we feel about David Cameron's inaugaural performance as the new Tory leader?

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"He was the future, once."

― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 8 December 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Not very strongly, apparently...

I'm worried by him.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

persona- and theme-wise he certainly should do better than the last guy, and he got in a good line or two in the excerpt i heard, but he certainly seems like he doesn't quite have his sea legs yet

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Its very glib, with little substance. That seems to work.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Born To Rule Cunt

expect concrete past cocaine-use evidence to surface come election time

normally i wouldn't give a fuck but this is the Nasty Party - check his shadow cabinet - ewwww!

― john clarkson, Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've worked out Cameron's strategy and it's brilliant. By supporting Blair on all his Toryish policies, he's trying to drive a wedge between Blair and the rump of his party, who really won't like the fact that Tories are enthusiastically supporting their policies. So they'll want to move further left, which will cause a bigger split between Blair and the party, possibly forcing his early retirement. At the same time, they're attacking Brown as a typical tax-and-spend Labour chancellor, chipping away at his credibility. If they pull this off, there's a good chance the Tories could regain the centre ground, which is where the last four elections have been won. Of course, Cameron's going to find it difficult to persuade his party to support Labour policy, because it's counter-intuitive to a party of opposition, but if he does, it could work.

By contrast, Labour's attempt to smear Cameron as some sort of English Dubya is lamentable. They need Campbell and Mandelson back, and quick.

― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, totally otm.

they really need peter capaldi and his fierce caledonians.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Cameron scares me. He looks like some kind of cult leader. I was wondering about this - what if someone involved in some kind of zealous cult were to get into government, introduce all his mates to the cult and then well, they either all kill themselves or kill everyone else... I mean, how do they stop this happening?

― Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

At the same time, they're attacking Brown as a typical tax-and-spend Labour chancellor, chipping away at his credibility.

ahh, tories

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

yawn. the point you have to worry is that gordon brown *is* open to those charges. i just fkn hate the smug idea that tax-and-spend actually = socialism -- it's nonsense, and because labour has never, ever challenged the economic status quo it is indeed at the mercy of the world economic situation. which is fucked, as will precious 'brighten the corners' type schemes like sure start.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else hear Cameron on Today this morning? Quite well done I thought. In fact it sort of worries me that, at this stage, I don't really feel the natural loathing of him that Tory leaders can normally inspire in me without really having to try. He did praise Thacther as a 'magnificent leader' or somesuch at one point though, which is a little hard to stomach over breakfast.

Will be interested to see how his approach to environmental issues develops. John Gummer back on board. He's not got a bad record on green issues, but he was the guy that didn't act over the BSE outbreak (and tried to feed his small child a burger too IIRC, perhaps in order to demonstrate that CJD won't spontaneously strike you down after your first eager mouthful of offal). And he's enlisted Zac Goldsmith as well, which I thought was quite radical, until I twigged that he's an Old Etonian too and suddenly I feel all cynical again. Jobs for the boys eh?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

>> John Gummer back on board.

Ah, you can hear Dennis Skinner warming up in the background...

― carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, focus on Osborne and all that loathing will return. Classic Oxbridge Tory boy as seen on QT last night. Agree, though, Cameron impressive on Today. He's very good at disarming interviewers by telling them not to be rude without sounding flustered or panicky.

― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 9 December 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40870000/jpg/_40870382_cameron_i203.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41095000/jpg/_41095472_cameron_speech_ap_body.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41093000/jpg/_41093886_cameronbig_203.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41099000/jpg/_41099602_boys_cam203.jpg

does anyone seriously think this guy can become prime minister??

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Friday, 9 December 2005 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

how much does the country (ok the south) hate oxbridge tory boys, tho? cameron is the first posh tory leader in, ooh, ages. 40 years?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, focus on Osborne and all that loathing will return.

Ah yes, you see now hot springs of bile and contempt start welling up without me even knowing they were there.

Dennis Skinner yesterday in Parliament: "The only thing that was growing (under the last Conservative government) were the lines of coke in front of Boy George and the rest of them..."

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ideasfactory.com/images/features/peepshow.jpg

― Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Cameroon has a touch of the Tim-Nice-But-Dims in those photos up there. It's disarming.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

yeah new labour apparatchiks never do coke. nooooo.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure Dennis Skinner is all that fond of them either TBH.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

I've just had an image in my head of David Cameron walking into a shadow cabinet meeting and innocently asking 'hmm, where's totty?'.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

old etonians who become tories show a terrible lack of IMAGINATION, apart from anything else

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.netcharles.com/1-george-orwell.jpg

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't the fact that he rides a bike and cares about the enviroment and likes The Smiths make people think he's actually been invented and isn't a real person?

― MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Saturday, 10 December 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

tory party leaders since 1960:

macmillan (eton)
hume (eton)
heath (chatham school, ramsgate) (=grammar school)
thatcher (grantham girls school) (not sure but it ain't a "major public school")
major (rutlish grammar school)
hague: (wath-on-dearne comprehensive school)
ids: (hms conway, a naval training school)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 10 December 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

(oops)

continues:
michael howard (llanelli grammar school)

whereas blair of course went to fettes, a rather odd -- certainly very spartan -- second-tier public school

i'm not sure etonianism will IN ITSELF generate widespread anti-tory hostility, esp.among younger voters (haha channelin debord i wrote VIEWERS first of all), since the thatcher era is def.more associated w.aggressive lower middle class and working class crossover aspirationalism, self-presented as an anti one-nation-tory assault on the effete languid-aristo establishment; cameron can thus quite handily distance himself from this seen-as-failed era, even somewhat run "against" it (and plus also pitch for the quirky tv-mulched ROCK SCHOOL vote)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 10 December 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

the shadow cabinet:
http://www.channel4sales.com/programming-and-schedules/images/rock-school.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 10 December 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

pure carmody, ty!

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 December 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I want Boris Johnson in *my* Shadow Cabinet, oh yeah!

Hyuck hyuck hyuck.

― Control your ponies, children! (kate), Monday, 12 December 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

BOLD NEW POLICIES

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Worst. Integrated Transport Policy. Ever.

― breathny spears let me see the sex that you did. (noodle vague), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

"TORIES TURN LEFT"

His Desert Island Discs were lamentable.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

I like most of those records. Do you think he does?

― breathny spears let me see the sex that you did. (noodle vague), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

More like Tories Turn Stomachs, amirite?

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

i don't want to know what they are, in case i like any of them.

xpost

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

did der der derrrrrr!!!!

MEET DAVID CAMERON!!! HE'S NICE!!!

dc: "Hi, I'm David Cameron. Yes, (heh), I'm nice. I agree with some of Tony Blairs changes. That's how nice I am."

we: "Which ones?"

dc: "Ah, I can't say right now. But I am nice."

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

It's nowhere near as hilarious as David Frost's list.

― breathny spears let me see the sex that you did. (noodle vague), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

omg i just googled el davester's.

the fucking killers!"

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Note his doomed attempt to win over the 1983 indie block vote.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

systems thinking > interim thinking

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Since any general election in this country depends on the votes of about 300 forty-something housewives in the home counties, you'd think he'd've got Cullum on there.

― breathny spears let me see the sex that you did. (noodle vague), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

and those ladies are going to think him a bit -- dare i say it -- gay for choosing 'fake plastic trees'.

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

Kiri and the Killers are the only songs on that list I don't care for.

― breathny spears let me see the sex that you did. (noodle vague), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

The version of "Tangled Up in Blue" is the version from "Bob Dylan: Real Live" - don't forget the Dylanbore vote, Dave!

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

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