fuck this snowman shit

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i am a high school teacher, mostly ninth and tenth graders, serving in a predominantly hispanic community in california.

should i send home students who come in wearing snowman t-shirts:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-05-snowman-tshirt_x.htm

frankly, it creeps me the fuck out.

i also take issue w/ huge tupac and al capone airbrush t-shirts although i'd never dream of trying to enforce that on my students - when i was a 10th-11th grader i was pretty obsessed w/ al capone (along w/ the gunfight at the OK corrall, elric of melnibone, han solo, ninjas, harrison ford in blade runner, etc etc) so i guess it's part and parcel of the same sort of growing-up process

but the snowman thing seems to cross some sort of line - i'd certainly never let in anybody who had pot leaves on their t-shirt

(then again there are those anthrax Persistence Of Time t-shirts kids have been wearing since i was a teenager... gah)

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

you'd send home kids wearing pot leaf shirts? really?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

also i didn't know you were a high school teacher!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

vahid, does your principal know about the snowman phenomenon?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's a rubbish looking snowman, it hasn't got a hat or arms.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

So, ban it on aesthetic grounds.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

What about Ride the Lightning t-shirts, with the electric chair, or that metallica "skulls choking each other with tongues" shirt?

oh god, now i AM back in high school.

also, Megadeth shirts.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

nerdiest sentence ever:

"The image popularized by drug-dealer-turned-rapper Young Jeezy symbolizes those who sell a white substance known on the street as snow: cocaine."

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

heee! snowman! thats cute.


id send home pot leaf kids too.

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

What about Ride the Lightning t-shirts, with the electric chair...

vahid teaches in california, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

What you do is you hire somebody really big and scary to come up to the kids in the snowman shirts and try to buy coke from them. The kids will say they don't have any coke. Then the big scary guy will get up in their faces and ask why they're wearing the snowman shirts if they can't cough up the snow. Get enough big scary guys to do this in one day, and they might stop wearing the shirts.

I first saw the snowman posters over the summer, and it seriously took me a while to put it together. Like, "Why are Young Jeezy's posters just a constipated snowman?"

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

who sell a white substance known on the street as snow: cocaine."

heh. and this is why police investigators carry around switchblades. how else do you get to look up at your partner and say, "it's real," with such a grim expression?

vahid teaches in california, dude.

ooohhh yeah. right then.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

But the Metal shirts all make deep socio-political statements! They should be encouraged.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha okay, I know s1ocki lives in Cannibusada but really, given everything that gets blasted around the world about US culture, do you REALLY think people would think it's okay for their kids to wear shirts with pictures of controlled substances on them to school?

Dan (Come On Now) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

vahid, does your principal know about the snowman phenomenon?
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), December 13th, 2005 10:49 AM. (hstencil)

maybe, maybe not.

we have some pretty arbitrary rules on campus about what you can/can't wear. ie, you can only wear ONE piece of blue or red clothing at a time. so if you are wearing a blue t-shirt you can't wear a blue hat with it, or blue jeans.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

haha i guess so! i guess i'm used to it living quebec with its beloved stoner medievalist metal culture

(xp to dan)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tshirtsville.com/acatalog/metallica_metal-up-yourass.gif

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to remember what shirt was most popular around 1990-1994.(high school for me).

i'm still thinking that it had to be one of the metallica album covers.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

(also how old is 9th/10th grade?)

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

we have some pretty arbitrary rules on campus about what you can/can't wear. ie, you can only wear ONE piece of blue or red clothing at a time. so if you are wearing a blue t-shirt you can't wear a blue hat with it, or blue jeans.

i blame tookie. rip.

seriously tho, if you send kids with pot leaf t's home, you should definitely do the same for this. i doubt that if your principal knew what the snowman thing was, s/he'd be fine with the kids wearing the shirts.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

also, that Quiet Riot one was big for a while.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, obv this is not arbitrary at all, i just mean the enforcement is sort of arbitrary - shoes aren't part of the equation, nor is trim - so you get guys wearing a red tshirt, all black everything else, except their black new era is trimmed in red and they have red/black jordans on - ie as clear as you need to get about what you are trying to say - and nobody can say anything about it under the dress code

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Okay "Metal Up Your Ass" doesn't really say much. I would've been embarassed to wear that. I only had one Iron Maiden t-shirt anyhow.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

9th-10th grade = 14-16.

Dan (Think Of The Children! Then Spit On Them) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

lots of xposts - my kids told me in all conviction this morning that they had "information" there was going to be a "tookie riot". when i asked where they told me "in san quentin".

the only thing bigger than my students desire to be dangerous = their willingness to believe that i'm a dumbass

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Jel, 9th/10th grade is about 14-16 years old.

xpost

I was too young for W.A.S.P. tshirts to be around.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

And the Pyromania one was so much cooler than the Hysteria one. You could buy these at JCPennys! My mom would never get me one!

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

(oh I was thinking it was much younger than that, and the kids wouldn't get the snow/drugs thing, but in a way that would be much worse)

I guess, there needs to be a school wide policy re: the snowmen, or a regional thing.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

We need more t-shirts with this on them:

http://www.driko.org/blogicons/calvin_snowman.gif

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

i think we should just ban kids from the schools. no more dress code problems.

latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://six3.jeremypost.com/images/2005-01-26.jpg

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.userland.com/tower1/images/drbeeperManilaSitesCom/snowman.gif

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

i think we should just ban kids from the schools. no more dress code problems.
-- latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (posercore24...), December 13th, 2005 11:03 AM. (latebloomer)

haha you laugh, but a lot of the chaos in the school system right now is due to the fact that administrators don't have the power to ban kids from schools. no child will be left behind! so now there is an entire academic tracks in this district for kids that 10 years ago would have been put in a continuation school and allowed to attend 2-3 hours / day, work a job, and work towards a GED.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

and you can imagine, the range of "threats" the administration has is a lot less intimidating to kids now that expulsion has been taken away.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

i was kicked out of art class in 9th grade for wearing a cannibal corpse t-shirt

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

it "demeaned women"

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

(and it did)

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I would bring up the concern with your principal and let her/him make the call. In some ways, by drawing attention to the implied meaning of the shirt, you're only helping the kid draw attention to himself as a "badass".

Or do what Nabisco said.

(who the hell is buying yellow coke?)

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

i was kicked out of math class in 7th grade for drawing ninja turtles attacking my teacher.

last week a 9th grader told me "you banging blue or we banging you". i ignored him and kept passing out worksheets. i was like "you are FOUR FEET TALL AND HAVE A PUBESTACHE".

should high school be optional?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

life should be optional.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

vahid since learning what you do for a living my already high esteem for you grew 10 fold.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

I got bitched at for a GG Allin shirt in 10th grade. Also Deicide.

I totally dig the snowman shirts though I am iffy on Young Jeezy in general.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

the thing is, I find the shirt creepy - kids advertising "cocaine! cocaine" has a pretty hideous dystopian ring to it - but I went to junior high in Cali in the early 80's, and EVERY kid in school it seemed had a roach clip in his/her hair and/or a potleaf neckace...the clips & necklaces didn't really mean shit, though. It was just transitory fashion; most of the actual stoner kids (all fifteen of 'em) were trying to keep a lower profile than that. I really think that this is one of those typical adolescent/adult conflicts where the more attention adults insist on paying to it, the less likely adults will be to get what they want out of the situation.

I mean, really - outside of "I am creeped out by a kid with a cocaine snowman on his shirt" — which is the adult's problem, not the kid's — what, exactly, is the harm? Do people actually believe that kids who otherwise would not have done coke will see the abundance of t-shirts and be more likely to experiment with coke?

Really?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Do goth kids still wear Cradle of Filth shirts? You know, for the nunfucking?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to remember wearing a Faith No More "Angel Dust" t-shirt to school with no protests.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Vahid, go to school wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a hairdryer on it. The snowmen don't stand a chance.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

excellent.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Do people actually believe that kids who otherwise would not have done coke will see the abundance of t-shirts and be more likely to experiment with coke?

Really?

My kids used to get chalk dust from the trays and cut "lines" then snort them.

kids are dumbasses.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha my kids do that!!! one day instead of working these kids made a movie w/ their cell phone movie recorder - one of them pretended to smoke "crack" (chalk dust) through a rolled up paper "pipe" - then his lips were all chalky - he started twitching and itching and offering to "suck everyone's dick for chalk"

i offered him applause and a referral, which i tore up after class in exchange for not saying "dick" again in my earshot.

xxxxpost

well, it's the kid's problem if i am the teacher and can't concentrate on giving a good lesson.

frankly, i'm not really sure what the harm is ... of course i'm much less worried w/ coke use (the kids have enough crackheads and welfare cases in their neighborhood to really want to fuck with that) and more worried w/ what kids see as their values and role models.

but again, maybe i'm just overreacting because i have a sheltered past.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if the parents know what the snowman represents.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Stencil, the distinction is "meaningless" in most terms EXCEPT in terms of creating some weird perception gap between kid and parent, maybe. The kid might not be able to articulate it well, but "c'mon, it's just a shirt" kinda carries dumb little distinctions like that inside it, right? I mean, keeping in mind that kids are dumb, they would probably say something like "It's just a cool shirt, it doesn't mean I'm selling drugs or something" -- which is totally making a distinction between the shirt as a piece of fashion and the shirt as an "endorsement" of drugs or drug-dealing or whatever else.

From the adult perspective those distinctions don't really fly, which is fair enough and one reason you might not allow the shirts in school -- but I'm saying those distinctions are what could, in some cases, make the adult side seem hysterical and point-missing ("you're endorsing cocaine!") to the dumbass kid side ("but it's just a cool shirt!").

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Skull t-shirts are anti-skin!!!

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe what I'm trying to say there is that kids can think drug-dealing is "cool" and yet not think of that as an endorsement or an indicator that they actually want to be involved in it.

The fuzzy part stemming from that would be that some of the kids wearing these shirts are presumably close enough in contact with drug-dealing as a reality that you'd think that wouldn't be as much of an option.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

i've been trying to learn teaching

stop, now. save your own sanity. (j/k, sort of, don't know if your situation is chaotic as mine was.)

btw, I got in trouble in fifth grade for wearing a t-shirt from Madonna's Virgin tour. My principal asked if I knew what "virgin" meant. I said, yes, it meant doing something for the first time. Adjecitves vs. verbs people! Anyway I was told not to wear it anymore but I did on the last day of school. hah-ha!

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://becandsams.com/itempics/Snowman%20Set.jpg

First I'm going to stack my flow
Then I'm going to stack some more
Close shop then I do my count
Hide the rest of the yams at my auntie house
Get fresh and jump in one of them cars
Hit the club and get one of them broads
It's a wrap we on the way to the house
By 3:45 I'll be kicking her out

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

haha we used to snort stuff in 7th grade... someone brought snuff and we tried it and loved it, then we wondered what else would have the same effect. so we tried pixie sticks, crushed candy canes, crushed smarties, there seemed to be no end to what we would try snorting. except we never even once thought of cocaine.

nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I think I have a better way of trying to get at what I'm trying to say. This is the obvious boring comparison to make on this stuff, but: if you imagine a middle-class kid wearing a Tony Soprano t-shirt, or something, you wouldn't be too concerned, because you'd assume the kid was responding to media-image and not reality-substance, and you'd know the kid wasn't going to strike anyone as a credible supporter of organized crime, and you'd know the kid probably didn't have much chance or inclination to actually get involved in organized crime. Right? But the reason this kind of thing concerns people more is that, when it comes to a poor urban kid, the line is blurrier between media-image and reality (they know coke dealers are real), and the kid could actually read as credible in adopting these signifiers (he might credibly be able to read to others as going thug or hustler), and -- most worrying of all -- he's in a position where it could actually be really easy to tip over into the real thing; it's an option and a possibility.

Which makes it really difficult, from the outside, to tell the difference between the kids who'd go for this design in that kind of "it's a cool shirt" way and the ones for whom it'd really signify -- it's a difference that would probably operate on a kid-by-kid level, really.

(In any case, not allowing them in school seems like a pretty standard continuation on the long-established no-drug-references-in-school deal.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

kinda obnoxious how adults onthread wanna say "kids are dumb!" because they really aren't; they're pretty emotional, they'll react really quickly & instinctively, sure ok, but working with troubled kids aged 5-17 for seven or eight years convinced me that teenagers are fuckin' crazy smart, even the ones who aren't very good at school or who're attracted to the sorts of things that make adults yell about the uglification of the culture, etc. Certainly kids are quicker to say "I hadn't thought about that" than adults are. (Most kids I knew who'd actually been around hard drugs btw wanted NOTHING to do with the whole scene, and were visibly put off by any popcult references to dope they say, since dope was often what had fucked up their parents & made them wards of the state.)

I'm still convinced of the efficacy of the seventies model: got a kid wearing a shirt you feel uncomfortable about? raise the question with him/her. He (lemme just go with "he" so as not to be obnoxious)(er) will be really uncomfortable, and so will you, but it's in such exchanges that you can get the actual ideas you have about how it's uncool to glamorize stuff that lays waste to neighborhoods & families & lives across.

Simples rules about wearing the shirts, meanwhile, won't communicate that idea at all; it just reinforces the "adults don't know what's cool" meme.

xpost and I still think "no drug references in school" is moronic

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

on a related note:

No Happy Ending For Jenna Bush
Jenna Bush’s infamous ID-gate videotape is raising more questions than the Zapruder film. According to a source who has seen the footage—which features a self-described downtown coke dealer relating his late-night run-in with the First Daughter, and brandishing her wallet (stuffed with over $1,000 in cash) and college ID as souvenirs—the man insinuates that the two shared more than just drinks.

A well-informed source, who has a DVD copy of the interview shot by tbirdshow.com’s Travis Poston, says that at one point the dealer claims that the young, blonde Jenna Bush with the Texas accent he hung out with that night (and who happened to leave behind Jenna Bush’s belongings) had been “helping [him] clean up” the bar after a long night of partying.

(A publicist for First Lady Laura Bush has unequivocally denied that her daughter has ever been to the Chinatown bar, Happy Ending, even though we hear the UT-Austin ID card displayed in the film clearly shows the hard-partying political liability’s name, picture and student ID number.)

According to the New York Post’s Page Six, the Secret Service are reportedly taking the tape seriously enough to investigate, and we hear they’re not the only ones. When Fresh Intelligence emailed tbirdshow.com about securing selected clips to host on this site, we received the following curt response: “There are about ten top papers fighting for that footage. Get in line.”

Needless to say, “if a coke dealer has your ID it doesn’t look so good,” quipped the source.

Apparently, the affable salesman doesn’t limit his company to presidential offspring. “He brags on camera that he’s down with all the members of Interpol,” our source says. “And everybody in the club that walks by in the video says ‘hi’ to him.”

Reps for Bush and Interpol could not be reached by press time.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

that is one stupid coke dealer. i mean, even relative to coke dealers

gear (gear), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think possibly when we say kids are "dumb" we mean something slightly different than what we normally mean by "dumb" (though your suggestion that we not do that anyway is totally taken).

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

kids are dumb! adults are dumb too! just in (hopefully) completely different ways as they start to be dumb about things which are outside of a kid's frame of reference.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

kids dumb: i'm gonna roll up a piece of paper and attempt to snort chalk dust to look cool!

adults dumb: i'm gonna drink way too much the night before work and have to call out the next day and also "forget" to pay my electricity bill before they send the shut off notice!

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Kids aren't dumb, they're just self-centered.

And speaking as someone who was in a public high school a LOT more frequently than most of you were, kids would wear shirts with drug references all the time. Sometimes they would be aked to turn it inside out (Cannibal Corpse shirts, etc.) but things like "State Route 420" and a Bob Marley shirt that said "The more people smoke herb, the more babylon fall" would go over without a problem.

Most kids in high school have contact with drug culture--they have probably smoked weed, they have probably known people who used cocane (if they haven't used it themselves), and if they're in a "tuff" urban area, they may know people who carry handguns. These are the risks of being alive and a teenager now.

Drugs aren't a big deal, and I think that's the way kids feel about a possible drug reference. There are jokes about cocaine on major primetime television shows, and crime dramas about heroin--surely high school students shouldn't be allowed to watch/enjoy them. Clearly.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

kids dumb: i'm gonna roll up a piece of paper and attempt to snort chalk dust to look cool!

adults dumb: i'm gonna drink way too much the night before work and have to call out the next day and also "forget" to pay my electricity bill before they send the shut off notice!

this made me laff really hard

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

my high school did have a zero tolerance policy about drugs/alcohol related t-shirts. (i was also chastised for a spuds mckenzie t-shirt, wtf.)

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

OmiGOD you wanna talk about "edgy" t-shirts? Yesterday on the train home from work I stood across from this kid whose t-shirt was printed with a full-color high-detail photo of a dude with his head blown off -- like gory-ass shotgun head-explosion crime-scene photo style. Above with the shirt read SNITCH.

And then of course the guy wearing it was not someone you'd think would be much snitch-concerned, but rather this short fancy-hair guy with these stylish post-Urban-Outfitters duds and hip-ass sneakers and the kind of greenish pretty eyes that, on a black person, kind of throw you into the role of ladies' man from the get-go.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

see but this is what I'm talkin' about - the kid with the SNITCH tee? dudes who actually have an axe to grind about snitches aren't wearing t-shirts about it. It's almost as though he's wearing a poem, y'know, just a really violent one.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

haha uh jd i wouldnt be too sure about that assertion

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

i.e. "stop snitchin" culture is a reaaaaaal big problem right now. in, like, the city i live in.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

to wit:

http://www.citypaper.com/sb/87365/topten_news.jpg

(from the delightful stop snitchin' dvd)

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

SONNED

Dan (Boggling) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

I had ignored this thread until now, assuming that it was posted by an ILXer who did not entirely feel the spirit of the season.

Klaus Darko (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that dvd is amazing as a rather perverse document.

Skinny Suge presents Stop Fucking Snitching Vol. 1

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

“To all you rats, snitchers, lucky enough to cop one of these DVDs, I hope you catch AIDS in your mouth and your lips the first thing that die. Bitch.”

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, absolutely, the fact of the shirt itself kidna made clear that he wasn't even close to doing any snitch-killing -- and really, this was a pretty harmless hipsterish kid, obviously all about style and not tough-man action. But still, there's something kind of deeper about the snitch stuff; there's kind of a difference in quality between that and, say, the snowman. A shirt can reference or even glamorize drug-dealing, and it'll still be kind of an active leap to dealing drugs yourself. But it's not so much of a leap for this normal subway guy to, like, not report crimes we might prefer that he did, or contribute to a culture of silence/fear/whatever. Plus I think you could argue that the shirt itself actively contributes to an aura of fear, right? Kinda reminding people of the threat of retribution if they try to do something about criminals? I mean, this was a picture of a blown-up head -- for a second there I was vaguely relieved to remember that I didn't have anything to snitch on anyone about.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Point taken! "Don't snitch" stuff bugs me for reasons popularly thought of as "corny"

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

stop snitchin stuff bothers me waaaaaaaaaaay more than the snowman

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

from now on, I'm snitchin' on everybody.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Plus I think you could argue that the shirt itself actively contributes to an aura of fear, right? Kinda reminding people of the threat of retribution if they try to do something about criminals?

not to mention actually helping to perpetuate the stop snitching thing by, y'know, paying for it.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

the "best" stop snitchin i ever saw was the one with the .45 against jay-z's head

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

i just told me boss that someone was planning on not bringing a dish to pass at the office xmas potluck.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/nitsuh/huggysnitch.jpg

Slate on snitching today interprets the whole thing as actually being about law-enforcement snitch-moling (and contends that law-enforcement snitch-moling is actually a really terrible policy) -- which might be fair, except that I think that the no-snitch thing as it plays in popular culture is actually kinda different and more general than that, more of a sides-taking thing.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

I like the one with the huge "WB" logo with the subtitle "Warn A Brother"

detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Huggy Bear's sweet threads would seem to indicate that the snitch's life is a fine one, all first-rate tailoring and classy ladies.

nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.bidville.com/imagehost/2005/7/25/20/624139.JPG

I like this one!

GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

This reminds me of my friend Bobby's cypress hill shirt in 6th grade that had b real smoking a massive jay on the front. I don't think they made him change it but it seemd v. transgressive to me at the time. The snowman shirts are ugly but for the most part it seems like the kind of thing "ok, fair objection, but why are we spending all this time concerned with it" - the kind of thing that drives the rift between adults - teenagers further, when there are greater issues that need addressing. I hope that doesnt sound like a copout.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to remember if anybody got in trouble for the Ice T/Ice Cube shirts that began to show up in the early 90s...

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

(I mean, obv thats easy for me to say as I don't have to teach high schoolers shit.)

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Updated: 3:52 p.m. ET April 4, 2006

BALTIMORE - A man featured prominently in a homemade DVD dubbed “Stop Snitching” that warned Baltimore residents not to cooperate with police has been arrested, authorities said.

An informant tipped off authorities that Ronnie Thomas, 30, would be in South Baltimore, where he was arrested Sunday.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tracey OTM

Dan (Karma) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

U CAN'T BAN THE SNOWMAN, SO STOP SNITCHIN

smokemon (eman), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
the latest shirt craze:

it looks like a big huge handwritten "refrigerator magnet" note ... the sort of thing you'd put phone #s or reminders on.

and then written in scribbly handwriting on it:

"note to self:
remember to
GET REAL PAID
...
OR DIE TRYING"

i wanted to be like, dude, why don 't you just concentrate on passing my class w/ a C?

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Saturday, 29 April 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

THEN HE WAS ALL LIKE

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 29 April 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs046.snc6/167679_753681070012_8110956_41222743_7105011_n.jpg

go straddle a narwhal you chlorinated gene pool (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:35 (fourteen years ago)

during the era of the snowman shirt, i strongly coveted a black on black glitter snowman shirt that i had once seen. i would walk down to the fulton street mall to see if i could find one so i could covet it again. i never did and still regret this.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:43 (fourteen years ago)

Then he woke up his sister, Poop.

I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:47 (fourteen years ago)

the thing is, I find the shirt creepy - kids advertising "cocaine! cocaine" has a pretty hideous dystopian ring to it

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:16 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol @ post/username

I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:48 (fourteen years ago)

wow I did not realize that it could take more than an entire calendar year to build a snowman out of poop

big ed girlie (Pillbox), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)


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