Attending Social Events "On Time".

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I clearly have a hang-up. You'd think by now -- 38 yrs old -- I'd have it under control, but I'm still simply not aware of the correct protocol of when to arrive to parties and such. For example, this evening is a friend of mine's birthday dinner. Event starts at 8pm. It's 8pm now, and we're (the wife and I) are still at home -- I'm pulling my hair out, thinking we're going to be late (it's dinner, after all), but I'm told not to worry. Invariably, when I'm calling the shots, we always get to places "on time," and end up being there way before the majority of folks.

Am I alone?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

I arrived late today and missed the person I wanted to talk to.

youn, Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

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oops (Oops), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

No Alex, not alone. I'm with you on this one, and when no one's shown up by 8:05 for parties I'm giving, I get SEVERE party angst.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

i hate when one person comes five or ten minutes early and i'm like "no! i'm not ready, clearly! i can't entertain you until i rush around madly for five more minutes!" better late than early. but when i'm hosting i prefer that people show up within 15 minutes or so, which is still earlier than many do.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

i hate when one person comes five or ten minutes early and i'm like "no! i'm not ready"

yeah, like when I had my eviction party - we said that it started at 10pm, not expecting anyone at all to show up until at least midnight. Then some people started trickling in around 10:30, and we were all like WTF ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING HERE SO EARLY? PARTYS NOT STARTED YET. GO AWAY. I was still in my pajamas and my roommate might of had curlers in her hair.

its much better to arrive at a party when everyone is already there instead of getting there early and having to suffer chatting with all the other bores who got there on time. no?

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm super punctual. If I'm going to be late to something, I'd rather not go.

The Other Kate (papa november), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

If it's a general party party, then I prefer most people showing up late, but I really like it when a few closer friends come near on-time to kind of "warm up the apartment" for the other guests.

If it's a dinner-type event though, on-time is important.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why people bother specifying a time that the party begins, unless they're serving dinner or something. It only confuses poor souls like Alex. You should just say, "Party. Tonight." And let the people who actually know when to show up to a party call the shots from there.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see -- Alex's party is was a dinner. Yeah, don't be late to those. Actually, Alex, you're right on this one. People be cooking. They need you to be there inside of 30 minutes of the time they specify, or the food will get cold and/or the hostess will start worrying that no one wants to eat her nasty food. People who cook are sensitive about this kind of thing.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

whenver i've had dinner function thingies, i've usually been racing around trying to get shit ready at the time i tell people to show up... but sometimes i start drinking early so i don't care if people are early. someone mixed up his times and showed up about two hours early to a party i had and when i let him in to an empty apartment, he thought he was late and had missed it. luckily, he was cool and didn't mind that i put him to work until people got there. probably the best thing to do for a dinner party would be to say, "the party starts at x time. dinner will be served at y time." that way, people can start wandering in at their leisure, but they know when they will be officially late.

i hate showing up to a party "on time" because i hate being one of the first people there and trying to make awkward small talk until things really get going.

tres letraj (tehresa), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Everybody does. That's why the cool people show up at eleven thirty, tops. (But not for dinner.)

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah actually when I cook I HATE people being late. Last time I made what should have been awesome fish but people were hella late, and it got a little too dry from sitting in the oven.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

but sometimes i start drinking early so i don't care if people are early

hahaha yeah. I was always saying to my gf, "Have a drink. Please, for the love of Christ, have a drink. You going to make me have to kill you if you don't stop freaking the fuck out."

Actually, this turned sour once. I had to kill a girlfriend because she was so upset about her onion dip not turning out. It was a senseless waste.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

Kenan OTM re dinner. If its a party? Yeah, turn up when you like, its cool. Dinner is different. The amount of times Ive had food ready an hour or more after the time I specified and people still havent shown... grrr. So I try and allow the other way, and they turn up early and end up having to wait an hour or 2 to eat!

I'm shithouse at dinner party timing =) Ive reverted to finger food and table-loads of nibblies instead.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

Alex, regarding your age comment, I don't think it matters at all. I'm only 21, but I've already seen that as you get older, the appropriate "on time" time changes. The right time to arrive is different than it was for parties when I was 16. I'm sure when you're 38 it's changed again.

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

this thread scares me.

snowkitten (g-kit), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:10 (twenty years ago)

Because you didn't realise that people were this late, or you didn't realise people cared this much about people arriving on time?

I am roffling at Phil's story, though.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

arriving at 8pm and trying not be late for a party is making my head hurt. makes me wonder what kind of parties they are.

snowkitten (g-kit), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

Dinner would be my first guess, what with being the answer.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

dinner is understandable. anything else is mentalism.

snowkitten (g-kit), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

i never understand why people specify certain start times if they don't expect/want anyone to show up at those times. yeah, i know, all the hip kids show up late, but you gotsta be prepared to let the losers in too.

Penis, NV (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

if the guests show up BEFORE the call time, that's bad form on their part. otherwise, don't blame them.

Penis, NV (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

Turning up early to a dinner is impolite and... well... inconsiderate. What if your friend hasn't finished the food yet? Our japanese friends usually do this and it pisses me off a little bit. If you set the hour, why come earlier? Later I can deal with, unless it's like an hour later. Parties? Who cares, it's not set in stone for me then.

Apparently the right protocol is arriving 15 minutes late (for dinner), so I heard on the radio this morning.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

I used to have parties, back in the day, and it would annoy me more when people turned up very late than very early. And by very late I mean 2am. This only ever happened on New Year's Eve, in fairness, but I always felt slighted by the fact that my party wasn't the place to be at midnight, or even at 1am, but at 2am, yeah, let's bail over to Trish's and fuck up the rhythm of the party completely by being more pissed than everyone else and taking over the stereo.
Don't people who are having dinner parties usually say 'eight for half eight' meaning turn up at 8 and you'll get a drink, turn up at 9 and your dinner will be in the dog?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

I always felt slighted by the fact that my party wasn't the place to be at midnight, or even at 1am, but at 2am, yeah, let's bail over to Trish's and fuck up the rhythm of the party completely by being more pissed than everyone else and taking over the stereo

haha, well put.

Penis, NV (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

xpost - I have no problem with that policy provided I am the dog.

I love turning up to parties early (=on time) and getting an opprtunity to actually talk to the hosts. On the flipside, the few parties I host tend to feature me turning into a neurotic mess as the minute hand inches towards five past and there's NO-ONE THERE!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

it sucks when your party has progressed into mellow-out mode and then five new people show up and you have to introduce them to everyone, show them where to put their coats, equip them with beer... it just fucks everything up. and they provide that awkward lull where friends who would have ordinarily stuck around get to say "boy, it's getting late, i gotta go."

Penis, NV (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

You should tell your SCA friends to turn up the same time as everyone else.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

i'm avidly writing down kenan's advice on how to be a cool person.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

the way to avoid all this is to be assertive. take control of the situation.
when they say "dinner party, yah, 8pm", you have to be all like "k dude, what time is the food on? ideally i'd like to get there just as the plate hits the table, since i don't really like you, but you make a decent taco lol, and i don't really want to be hanging around awkwardly talking to your crackwhore wife while i sit on the couch, silently praying that you'll be done cooking soon to save me having to ask if i can put the TV on to see the football scores rather than listen to her prattle on, lolz. oh, and i'll be leaving as soon as i'm done, don't fuck around with dessert or some shit like that, but i'll be taking what's left of the wine, if that's ok with you k thx."

or something.

snowkitten (g-kit), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

On the flipside, I have been invited over to other people's houses for dinner and have arrived on time to find that they were planning on starting the cooking when the guests arrived! No, no, no. I don't want to hear my hosts arguing over how much flour is supposed to go in the seasoning. It makes me want to put my glass down and leave.
Course, if you're just making a stir dry or something and you have the kind of kitchen where you can talk to people while you're cooking, it's different.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

I try to be overprecise when inviting people over for things. "Show up at 7, dinner is at 8, music at 9" or whatever, so people can figure out what parts they want to be involved with and get a better sense of when the "real" time to show up is.

I have really had to work at being appropriately late to parties.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Apparently the right protocol is arriving 15 minutes late (for dinner), so I heard on the radio this morning.

-- Nathalie

See, Belgian radio is great and actually tells you useful things. I am chronically late for everything.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 December 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

i am late for everything. i was late for my own party, once! (at my flat!!!!)

normal sitting around get drunk parties you say a time for when it starts that's why some people phrase it for example "from 8" implying that things get started from 8 and you can turn up whenever.

eating parties, you say a time and then you will time for food to be done after a "reasonable" time after the start time (e.g. in london allowing for transport mishaps). it is reasonable to assume most people will be endeavouring to get there for the start time, to have a sit down, and get themselves in the mood for food, perhaps with some light snacks on the table.

and if one is going to be very late for dinner the reasonable thing would be calling the host so that they know what's happening and don't have to wonder how long they will have to wait for you to arrive (and thus can make the decision of whether to start without you and keep something in the oven or something for you)

turning up really early (like over 30 minutes early - unless travelling in from afar in which case that's fair enough as it's hard to judge the timings) can be bothersome for the host if they are still preparing (especially if it's just one person being the host), perhaps offer to help with the preparation.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

don't go to parties

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

We can't all be so idealistic, Coz.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

don't throw parties

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that the NYC part of "Alex in NYC" is a key to the correct answer.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

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Penis, NV (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

If you're having people over for dinner and you don't use the Eight for Eight-Thirty method described above, you are a fool, fool. For an invitation like that, I'd turn up around 8.15pm.

For a party party starting at 8pm, I'd turn up around 10pm.

For my Dad's 60th birthday, my Mum booked a table in a restaurant for 7.30pm, then wrote on the invitations 7.00 for 7.30. WTF? The waiting staff is going absolutely ecstatic about a big party showing up half an hour before their booking, aren't they? It wasn't even as if there was a bar in the restaurant. I had words with her about it, but too late - the invitations had already gone.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

doesn't 8 o'clock in NY really mean "2 a.m."?

I mean, hell. 8:00. You might as well be meeting somewhere for lunch.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

i guess they'll have ample time now to read the menu and order at 7:30 prompt!

xpost 8pm in NY means 1am in the UK i think.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

to ken c, "soon" means "within 4 years".

Sauce!

snowkitten (g-kit), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

:D i have tonnes and tonnes of leave soon so i'll probably be playing it every day!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

once i get it! lol

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

if the party involves dinner, hell yeah, you better show up on time. food will get cold, reservations will get messed up, etc etc. if you are going to be late [circumstances beyond your control, not you being a slacker] in this situation, call the host and let them know to start without you.

if the party involves drinking and hanging out, it depend on how close you are to the host that decides your arrival time. if you dont know the host very well, i dont suggest arriving on the early side, but if its one of your best friends, thats probably OK. [in fact, your friend will probably want your help setting up or face time before they have to be super-social] in philadelphia, 11pm seems to be the official arrival time for social events, but i guess thats probably a good universal standard.

as for me, if someone gives me a time for a party that isnt the usual late night drunken debauchery, im going to stick to it. obviously, there's a reason for giving a time and i should respect it. i take after my dad; im really good about showing up to work on time. my mother, on the other hand...

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Remember, the later you arrive, the less you can drink. So be in time!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Got one Asperger-y friend who so stresses about not being late that he's started showing up for parties an hour and a half early. Nothing to be done about it, we just put him to work chipping ice or some such solitary task and he seems happy.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Just as an update....

So, the gig in question (which - I failed to point out -- was happening in a restaurant, not someone's home) was scheduled for 8pm. We didn't really get out the door until 8:10 pm (this happens a lot when you have a baby, let alone a pregnant wife who is notoriously slow when it comes to getting ready to go out). So, my Mom came to babysit (a bonus: you don't have to pay her), and out we went. We didn't arrive at the party until, like, 8:25 or so. We get there, the place is packed, but there's still room for us. Hors D'oevres were served, but no entrees had. So, technically, we were perfectly "on time" (and lots of folks rolled in after us). The problem, in this instance, was really the planning. With certain folks not showing up "on time," the ordering of entrees kept getting put off (leaving most of us to gorge heavily on the bread and hors d'oevres). After a while -- with my Mrs. not being able to drink, as she's pregnant -- we were kinda ready to go. So, after being there for about an hour and a half (we had a nice time and chatted with everyone, so that was cool), we ended up having to split before the entrees even got ordered. Overall, it was a fun night out, but I -- for one -- left feeling a little famished. But, y'know, that's life.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Ha, Phil, the funny thing with your eviction party is that I spent the whole night saying "no, it's a hipster party, nobody gonna go til way late" -- so we came by nearly three hours after start time, and you were just getting home with the alcohol! It was, like, after midnight!

Sometimes if you get to a party too late it become hard to penetrate the core layers of the party -- some people have already established a whole social ecology of long-term party-residents, and you'll always just be extraneous to that, kind of a cameo. Basically I think the expectation is that everyone is there right in the middle of the party -- so I suppose you should figure out how much time you want to spend at the thing, and arrive such that your stay is exactly centered on that middle.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)


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