Restless Leg Syndrome aka "Jumpy Legs"

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i'm awake again after just a few hours sleep. i've been having various different problems sleeping recently but tonight i can't sleep because i have what i've always called "jumpy legs", which i tend to get for periods of around a week every few months.



An urge to move the legs, often accompanied by uncomfortable sensations in the legs, usually described as a creeping or crawling feeling, but sometimes as a tingling, cramping, burning or just plain pain. Some patients have no definite sensation, except for the need to move. (The arms may also be affected, but that's much less common.)

The need to move the legs to relieve the discomfort, by stretching or bending, rubbing the legs, tossing or turning in bed, or getting up and pacing the floor. Moving usually offers some temporary relief of symptoms.

i've heard that taking quinine in some form before bedtime can help with this this but i never have it for sustained enough periods to know whether it works and the form that i have taken it in - a gin and tonic before bed - may not be the best! can i buy quinine tablets over the counter?

anyone else suffer from jumpy legs?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

potassium?

remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

bananas

lots of bananas

dali madison's nut (donut), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

low-sodium V8 if you can get it. (it uses lots of potassium instead)

dali madison's nut (donut), Friday, 16 December 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

Not much help here but I'm feeling your pain.

Periodic Limb Movement Disorder, like Restless Leg Syndrome only less severe. Apparently.

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 16 December 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

i may have this.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

The only solution is to sleep on the couch.

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

I hate to have to say it, but I think it's time you considered cutting back on your cocaine use

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

i already take vitamins containing potassium and anti-inflammatory properties, but they're not helping.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Gentle exercise in the evening can help; try going for a walk. (I have this too.)

Zora (Zora), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

I have it too and it's horrible. Over time I've kind of taught myself to fall asleep in one particular position (on my front with my legs not touching each other) and it usually gets me off to sleep pretty quickly but it took a long time to train myself. I found that the more I thought about it the worse it got, so finding a trigger like this to get me off to sleep before I started thinking about it was really important.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Gentle exercise in the evening can help; try going for a walk.

yeah, i walk every day, but it only helps for an hour or two afterwards. i've been doing a little yoga too... same thing.

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

Does thinking about it make it worse?

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, I hesitate to recommend it (I don't want to be some kind of evil interweb pushah) but I find small (Small! Not crawling-around-the-room-with-tunnel vision size) doses of cannabis somewhat helpful. Massage is also good, but the benefits are even more temporary than with exercise.

Reading this thread is making my calf muscles twitch like crazy and my ankles feel funny - yes, thinking about it makes it worse.

Zora (Zora), Friday, 16 December 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't help my man.

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 16 December 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Too much and I get muscle spasms, i.e. the opposite of the desired effect, so I can imagine it wouldn't work for everyone.

Zora (Zora), Friday, 16 December 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

try tensing your leg muscles and rrelaxing them the moment you feel it start to kick in; a bath with epsom slats has also been known to help; skip the gin, stick to the tonic water, too much quinine via over the counter stuff can fuck you up... although so can malaria. try sleeping with your head higher than your feet, though avoid autoerotic oral sex if you need to get some sleep. get up and walk around when you feel it, gets circulation working again and can help take mind off things. do not kick the dog out of frustration. unless you are really laura bush and george is on the floor, passed out after another binge with condi.

Queen Geezuz it hurts like fuck, Friday, 16 December 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

avoid autoerotic oral sex if you need to get some sleep

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Simply don't eat after 8PM or less than three hours before your bedtime; no midnight snacks, nothing, not even toast. If you do wake up jumpy, some knee bends to exercise your legs seems to work. But the no food right before bed is the big thing.

Bnad (Bnad), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

what's the reason for that?

the people are such untight s wads (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

neurontin

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

i get this all the time. joking apart, sex is the most fun way i've found to get rid of it.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 16 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

have someone tie to you to the bedposts

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Deep breathing and a big glass of water. You need oxygen and water. This really works. But I guess sex would do it also, all that heavy breathing and so on....

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Monday, 19 December 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

there is some new Rx drug on the market just for this restless leg syndrome it's called Requip in the US and is advertised and marketed by Glaxo Smith Kline

Wiggy (Wiggy), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

In our house it's called 'jimmy' legs. There's a Seinfeld episode where Kramer suffers an extreme form of it and this is what he calls it.

mms (mms), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

My mother-in-law does something with magnets that she claims* helps enormously. I think she puts them under or in her pillow.

*well she is an old wife.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, my mum sleeps with a cork under her pillow. Wonder if this helps.

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I have it - I can feel the sensation begin and then I know that I'll spasm within a couple of seconds. It began when I was on a course of anti-depressants (efexor, if I remember correctly) about five years ago and has continued despite my stopping the anti-depressants after a few weeks.

I used to find it frightening, but now I just find it irritating. It also seems to affect my whole body, but prodominantly my legs.

M (Madeleine), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I used to get this a lot when I was young, my folks called it growing pains, my dad used to rub my shins for me, which helped a lot. I could ask him for you, but you'd have to pay his travel expenses.

mzui (mzui), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

oh growing pains is quite a different thing.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

I had this most of my adult life, but it has mostly stopped since I've been taking anti-depressents. My legs, ankles, and especially my feet would just ACHE. It helped a little to wear tight socks to be, the compression seemed to help. I also "peddeled", like on a bike while I slept.

Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Huh, I wonder if this is what I had with my back as a kid? I'd suddenly get this weird swoosh of sensation that'd force me to want to tense up/arc up my back massively, for a while, then it'd pass. I never knew what caused it.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

I've got this in such a bad way. Just opening this thread started my legs going like crazy.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I used to get this insane vertigo right before I'd sleep; it's make me think I was going to fly off the surface of the earth, and I'd grip the sheets really tight.

remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

See, that sounds fun at least.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

Then I'd smell something burning, so I'd need to look out the window.

After that I'd be afraid of a ghost attack, and I'd clutch the pillow as tight to my head as possible, and put the nose of my stuffed animal (Mr. Rabbit) in my ear, so goblins couldn't whisper to me.

I don't know if I ever slept before the age of 13.

remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

You have the coolest brain ever, Jer.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
I've had this my whole life and only recently found out that other people get it too. It gets worse when i'm tired and the only way to relieve it is to be asleep...infuriating when it's the exact thing preventing me from sleeping! It seems to be getting worse as I get older and even just thinking about it makes my legs start tingling.
I did think I'd managed to outgrow it, but since i have recently cut down on smoking cannabis, i've realised that i still have it and it's just that i've been inadvertently self-medicating! Now I don't know which is worse.... continual foggy head from smoking each night or from RLS-induced sleep deprivation?!

pikzee, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I now have this in my right arm. It is hideous. My girlfriend almost kicked me out bed last night because of it.

S'pose I should go to the doctor up by Jed.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Is this one of these things that it turns out everyone has, and no-one ever really talks about? I have it too. It's awful.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

No, I don't have it.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

You will.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

My girlfriend doesn't believe that this exists.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

What does she think your motivation for faking it is?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

neither does my boyfriend. I secretly wish it upon him.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

If you both had it, couldn't you turn it into a sexy dance?

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I don't have it myself. I mentioned that I knew people that did, and she was all like "I don't think so."

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have it either! My mother does and although it's highly likely she makes a lot of shit up, I doubt this is one of them. Just everytime the drug commercial comes on G. has to bitch about making diseases up in order to market drugs.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

ally's dancing in the livingroom, now

I think he's making this up/the most of it

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

my roommate has it but has never been able to properly describe it to me. it wasn't that i didn't believe her, i just couldn't (and can't) imagine it. she needs to hang out with you all.

jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose it's a bit like having ants in your pants.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

Have you ever sat through a really long church service, or bus ride, or speech, in a really tight space where you couldn't move your legs? And after a while of not moving them, you would kind of get an itchy pain in them and they would start to kind of twitch by themselves to try and force you to move them around? Well it's like that. Only you get it as soon as you lie down to sleep, and it stops you from sleeping, and often stops whoever is with you from sleeping as well, as you kick around in the bed for a while.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's pretty selfish.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

my mom has it, and not just at night. she is literally incapable of sitting still for any length of time. at the dinner table or wherever, she'll just start bouncing her legs. she takes long walks every day and exercises a lot, which helps, but it still sort've drives her crazy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

I used to get this insane vertigo right before I'd sleep; it's make me think I was going to fly off the surface of the earth, and I'd grip the sheets really tight.

-- remy (rem...), December 20th, 2005 12:14 AM. (x Jeremy) (link)

whoa! i got this all the time as a kid and have had it once in a while as an adult (not related to drinking, honestly.) it is crazy.

no restless leg issues though. my mom has it though - it's a neuralgia-type of thing. she changed her diet (to MS diet - low sat fat, no gluten, dairy, legumes, eggs, yeast) and has a (doctor-prescribed) nap every afternoon, so it + the pain doesn't happen very often.

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

A guy in a class I take apparently has this. I want to kill him.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I have RLS and like others have mentioned, it seems to be getting worse. While I was taking an SNRI things seemed to calm down quite a bit, but the other side effects suck. I'm already on a similar diet as rrobyn's mother, and I'm going for a sleep study in the near future. My doc said that in extreme cases they end up using drugs for Parkinson's disease.

shorty (shorty), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

i get that vertigo thing sometimes. usually attributable to cumulative lack of sleep over several days. sometimes it bothers me, sometimes i kind of like it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

fuck! i think i have this.
i had the worst freaking night. right after i fell asleep i woke up with this crap. i thought i was going crazy or something. i remember this happening to me before but it's been awhile. i hope it goes away again for a long time

carne asada, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

i have this only in my left leg. Stretching the leg in weird ways helps for a short while

Heave Ho, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

it's just anxiety, isn't it? I get it sometimes, too, but then I take a sleeping pill and it's all better.

Jonathan Livingston Dickfarm, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

it sux! i haven’t had it in a long time. but i just moved into new apt. so i've been doing all kinds of work, going up and down stairs, lifting shit and painting. so i was totally exhausted and it hit me. i was up until 3 a.m. dead tired but couldn’t get to sleep.

carne asada, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

i would usually try smoking some pot but i didn't has any

carne asada, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

it's not anxiety, it probably mostly comes from not moving around enough during the day. quinine really helps. have a glass of tonic water, or even a gin and tonic ;) , before bed.

xpost, maybe it doesn't come from not moving your legs enough then!

jed_, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

it's a pretty weird thing.
but any excuse to drink a G & T is all right by me

carne asada, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

That seems more like you had depleted your muscle reserves and wd have benefitted from some metallic salts or something. Eat a banana next time and see what happens!

Laurel, Thursday, 23 August 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)

According to this poorly written local paper from Oregon:

"Restless Leg Syndrome: Medical Marijuana Patients’ Say it Works"
Dr. Phil Leveque Salem-News.com

Phillip Leveque has spent his life as a Combat Infantryman, Physician and Toxicologist.
(MOLALLA, Ore.) - There may be 10 million RLS patients in the U.S. This will be good news to them. I was one of the first doctors to sign up patients for Oregon’s medical marijuana permits. I had patients number 13 and 14.

Through the five years I was able to work before the Oregon Board of Medical Examiners revoked my license, I had between 4 and 6 thousand patients. I never did count them because I saw patients in at least twenty places from the coast to Bend and Klamath Falls in Eastern Oregon.

Why I had to travel all over the state is not a mystery. Other doctors were afraid of their own shadows and big brother to do this. However, eventually 2,200 doctors did shake off their paranoia and finally joined the club. Hoorah.

The original medical marijuana bill in California in 1998 required the following disease entities to get a “permit”: cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, and arthritis.

This was a rather loose list but it did give the doctor the option of recommending it for “any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.” This gave California doctors wide latitude for issuing permits.

Dr. Tod Mikiyuria found after interviewing and/or reviewing about 30,000 patient charts that marijuana was effective for about 200 separate medical entities.

It is difficult for most physicians to believe it could be effective for such a wide variety of conditions, and I as a Professor of Pharmacology took in all this with a grain of salt till I started seeing affected patients. It was one surprise after another. I got over the idea that the patients might be faking it to get a permit because it cost about $150 dollars to go through my clinics and the state charged $100 dollars for the permit. Would the patients fake it if it still cost $250 dollars? I doubt it.

When the first patient came in with “restless leg syndrome” I was bemused for a while. What’s going on here, I said to myself.

I knew that quadriplegics, paraplegics, multiple sclerosis and cerebral palsy patients had legs that jumped around and marijuana gave them relief. All these seemed to be treated poorly with valium-like drugs and the doses were high enough to be strongly sedative and extremely addicting. It didn’t take many doctor “smarts” to figure out if the restless leg patient said marijuana works, it must be so.

According to T.V. news programs, about 10 million patients have restless legs. Marijuana is a nice, safe, effective medicine. The big problem is that only in eleven states can the patients get a permit to use marijuana legally.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR DR. LEVEQUE? Email: newsr✧✧✧@salem-n✧✧✧.c✧✧ or simply write a comment at the bottom of the page. You do not have to use your real name if you are not comfortable doing so. We will do our best to have your questions addressed in upcoming segments.

saudade, Friday, 24 August 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

According to T.V. news programs, about 10 million patients have restless legs.

Abbott, Friday, 24 August 2007 06:21 (eighteen years ago)

Why the hell do I know this kind of thing is related to myoclonic jerks? (I wish I didn't remember useless words and facts like that and more useful things instead, like the name of my new boss)

StanM, Friday, 24 August 2007 06:22 (eighteen years ago)

Sleep makes me into a big myoclonic jerk. I kicked my dog all unawares last night in my sleep.

Abbott, Friday, 24 August 2007 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

ugh

mookieproof, Monday, 16 June 2008 05:56 (seventeen years ago)

this only happens to me now on nights that i haven't been riding all day. i genuinely need 6-8 hours of exercise or else i'm antsy pants

gbx, Monday, 16 June 2008 07:21 (seventeen years ago)

I had this really bad last week after drinking a small glass of wine before bed. I dozed off and woke up about 30 minutes later and could not get back to sleep. I ended up getting up and reading the webs for an hour before going back to sleep.

rockapads, Monday, 16 June 2008 08:12 (seventeen years ago)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gI7CHYRrU

Just got offed, Monday, 16 June 2008 11:15 (seventeen years ago)

i get this bad but ONLY when I take tylenol PM

sunny successor, Monday, 16 June 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)

My wife seems to have this but only when she's asleep. There are times I think she's actually sleepwalking on her side.

libcrypt, Monday, 16 June 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

Restless Leg Relief You’re Really Going to Like

conrad, Saturday, 25 June 2011 12:06 (fourteen years ago)


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