Georgia's anti-gang law: fucked?

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I was in the jury pool for the trial of the first guy convicted under GA's 1998 anti-gang law. I was eliminated on the first day, which disappointed me. On the other hand, I admit I'm relieved that I didn't have to take part in what could possibly have been the wrong decision about this guy's life. I realize the guy (it was determined, according to the evidence) did shoot at people and shit, but a 30 year sentence, a decade of which was added on simply for participation in a dinky-ass Athens gang (just kidding, los primos!) that doesn't seem to engage in any real organized criminal activity---just putting up ugly tags and stuff---a 30 year sentence seems really steep. What do ya'll think about this law? Is the law unfair, was this guy prosecuted unfairly under it, or am I just confused and misguidedly sympathetic to low-lifes?

emilys. (emilys.), Saturday, 17 December 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Here's an article that ran in the Athens Banner-Herald (referred to derisively by townies as the Banana-Herald):


30 years in jail for gang member
Trial a first in Clarke
By Todd DeFeo | todd.defeo@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 11:35 PM on Thursday, December 15, 2005

A convicted gang member faces 30 years in prison for his role in a January 2004 retaliatory shooting that wounded three people, including two innocent bystanders.

Clarke County Superior Court Chief Judge Lawton Stephens called Thursday's sentencing of 26-year-old Miguel Hidalgo-Lopez, a member of the Los Primos/Sur 13 gang, "a sad day."

"The fact is clear that at some point in your life, this affiliation with this gang became more important to you than your wife and children," Stephens told Hidalgo-Lopez, whose wife, Gabriela Martinez, sat behind him in the courtroom.

Hidalgo-Lopez was convicted Wednesday of violating the state's anti-gang law, one count of simple battery, two counts of aggravated battery and eight counts of aggravated assault in the drive-by shooting targeting members of the rival 18th Street gang.

Stephens sentenced Hidalgo-Lopez to 20 years in prison for the battery and assault convictions and 10 years in prison for the anti-gang law violation. After his prison sentence, Hidalgo-Lopez faces five years on probation.

"My hope is that it makes young people that may have the misperception that gang life is somehow glorified and attractive - that's dead wrong and that it really brings nothing but misery and violence," Chief Deputy Assistant District Attorney Matt Karzen said of the sentence Stephens imposed.

Hidalgo-Lopez could have been sentenced to 116 years in prison, Stephens said.

Hidalgo-Lopez, who did not testify at his trial, declined to make a statement in court. He is the first person to be tried or convicted in Clarke County under a 1998 anti-gang statute.

"I think there was error in the trial without a doubt," defense attorney Stan Durden said after Thursday's sentencing. "But I'm sure Mr. Karzen doesn't think there was error."

Durden asked Stephens for a 15- to 20-year sentence.

In addition to Hidalgo-Lopez, five other alleged Los Primos members are accused in the Jan. 30, 2004, drive-by shooting outside an eastside apartment where police say as many as 50 shots were fired from a caravan of three vehicles, and one gang member and two innocent bystanders were wounded.

Prosecutors spent 5 1/2 days presenting evidence that Hidalgo-Lopez was a member of the Los Primos/Sur 13 gang. Some witnesses placed Hidalgo-Lopez at the scene of the shooting, and prosecutors used pictures of Hidalgo-Lopez flashing what witnesses identified as gang hand signs to help connect him to Los Primos/Sur 13.

The shooting allegedly culminated a dispute between the two Mexican gangs that began six days earlier, when members of the rival groups were involved in a fight at a West Broad Street restaurant where a quincenera - the marking of a Hispanic girl's 15th birthday, or coming of age - was being celebrated.

During Thursday's sentencing hearing, which lasted roughly 30 minutes, Karzen asked Stephens to sentence Hidalgo-Lopez to 55 years, 25-35 of which should be served in prison. Stephens acknowledged Karzen's characterization that Hidalgo-Lopez showed a "level of disregard" by participating in the shooting.

"But for the grace of God, you would have been facing homicide charges," Stephens told Hidalgo-Lopez.

Two others - Alvaro Rodriguez Ramon, 20, and 26-year-old Freddy Ramon "La Fresa" Rodriguez who, after 19 months on the run, was arrested in August under the name of Leopondo Trebino - also face charges in connection with the drive-by. Both are charged with multiple counts of aggravated assault, but prosecutors haven't decided whether to charge them under the anti-gang law.

Other warrants, all on aggravated assault charges, have been issued for the arrests of three other alleged Los Primos members: Cervando "Boxer" Mojica, Roberto Valasquez and Valentin Juarez Pineda, all of whom remain at large, according to authorities.

emilys. (emilys.), Saturday, 17 December 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

If it was a retaliatory shooting, then it likely would not have happened at all had Hidalgo-Lopez not been in a gang. If being a gang member leads to commiting crimes that would not otherwise be commited, then why isn't it right to punish one for being in a gang once said crime is commited?

naus (Robert T), Saturday, 17 December 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't see how 30 years in jail is an inappropriate sentence for shooting at people regardless of whether you hit them or not, especially in a country with so many minor (drug) offenders serving long sentences. The anti-gang part does seem like it could be totally abused though.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Saturday, 17 December 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Didn't California under Gray Davis enact, or try to enact, something similar?

If this is the first time the statute has been applied then at least it's not generally being GROSSLY abused, but potential for abuse seems enormous.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, 30 years seems pretty appropriate for shooting hella dudes. especially since it sounds like it was a gang-related shooting, ie. these guys are doing more than just tagging trains and shit. i'm sure there's plenty of potential for the law to suck, and though it says it's the first time anyone's been tried under the law in clarke county (lol), i dunno how it's used statewide. gangs can be pretty bad in atlanta.

IN UR BASE KILLING ALL UR DUDES (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The general thrust of U.S. crime policy in the last fifteen years or so seems to be "If we lock up as many (black, hispanic, poor) people as possible, we're bound to reduce crime cause they'll all be off the streets." It's pretty disturbing.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the main possibility for badness here is in the definition of "gang" -- which, as people will interpret it, will have ZERO to do with any fair legal standards and EVERYTHING to do with a bunch of cultural signifiers (and race). The philosophy makes sense, especially insofar as we do similar things with organized crime (RICO) and, say, hate crimes -- but this kind of thing has like no good conceptual basis for applying it, other than some political-sop targeting of cultural groups people are afraid of.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 17 December 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

I mean, we'll see if a bunch of white buddies cooking up meth ever get prosecuted under these measures, and we'll see if anyone can ever explain precisely what the fair, legal distinction is between that sort of thing and a bunch of latino buddies working in the same way.

nabiscothingy, Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

From the way the law is written, it sounds like a group of five guys who have matching jackets and decide to beat someone up because he beat their buddy up would be no different from a drug cartel.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Not that guys in jackets should be taking part in retaliatory beatings.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

I know, you gotta have underlings to hold the coats while you do that shit.

nabiscothingy, Sunday, 18 December 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Abbadavid OTM

emilys. (emilys.), Sunday, 18 December 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)


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