The Countrification of America

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Perhaps this should be over on ILM, but anyway... (apologies in advance, UK readers).

As I sit through some twangy rock-informed country playing over highlight clips during Monday Night Football, I ask myself when exactly did country take over as the music of the masses? Not that I watch football anyway, but this song makes me feel like I'm not _supposed_ to be watching it. It's not for me, and someone of my income/education/life experience really wouldn't be welcome anyway.

I remember that Hank Williams Jr. theme song from a few years ago, but still, if football is the most popular sport in America, I can only understand that country is music of America. And that's not how I remember the 70s and 80s. Sure, Gloria Gaynor and Air Supply probably weren't the soundtrack to football highlights, but I would've expected, oh, REO Speedwagon, Bob Seger, Loverboy... back then.

The first question is, is country really it?
The second question is, is this because of country per se, or is it because there just isn't that kind of good-timey, unconsciously people's rock anymore?

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

"when exactly did country take over as the music of the masses?"

1945. Rock is an aberration, not the norm.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

As I sit through some twangy rock-informed country playing over highlight clips during Monday Night Football, I ask myself when exactly did country take over as the music of the masses?

send eddy an email, already. (xpost)

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

Garth Brooks, 1990 or so

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

at the latest!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

Also, "ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL" 1987 or so?

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

THERE'S A TEAR IN MY BEER

bob abernethy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

I would argue that much of America still has no clue what country is.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

its where we live.

howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

...and i vote!

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)

do they listen to country in iraq and iran?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

Iran = we haven't busted down their doors yet

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

?

el.k, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Assuming by we u mean the US, it helped (enabled?) Iraq to "bust down their doors".
+
operation praying mantis
etc
etc

el.k, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

haha my cc at great lakes fought in praying mantis!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

i'd completely forgotten about this. late-era Reagan muscle-flexing, no?

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Is Tucker Carlson country?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

It's not for me, and someone of my income/education/life experience really wouldn't be welcome anyway.

...

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

800 posts before lunchtime.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

someone of my income/education/life experience really would be welcome by, oh, REO Speedwagon, Bob Seger, Loverboy

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

roffles

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

He will keep on loving you

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

He doesn't like it, love it, OR want some more of it. He's only working for the weekend.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

And for those Hollywood nights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Real football fans can't stay up late enough for MNF, because their income/education/life-experience means they have to be up at 5:30 or 6 am Tuesday morning. Real football fans watch all the Sunday games, which often include the following musical selections, this year:

WHOOOOO ARE YOU? WHO WHO? WHO WHO?

ROCK. RO-BOT ROCK. ROCK. RO-BOT ROCK.

WE COULD BE HEROES, JUST FOR ONE DAY

Now when they start playing "John, I'm Only Dancing" during slow motion replays of penalty calls, I'll be impressed. I can settle for some cheese-eating surrender glam for the time being, though.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I don't understand the fascination with playing Robot Rock during player profiles this year, what channel is that, CBS?? So bizarre.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Daft Punk = Virgin = license away
Survivor = Scotti Bros. = CBS Records = Sony/Columbia (cognitive dissonance!) = fuck no we will only license this if the entire broadcast is exclusively viewable on Sony products and nothing else

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how many people are confused by that, who just think they remixed Eye Of The Tiger to be more weird (oh, wait, snaaaaaaap.)

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

When country learned how to assimilate rock, it assured itself of a spot on the top of the heap. It's success is largely based on a rigorous exclusion of the ironic stance. This makes it popular in ways rock can only envy or mock.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

It's success is largely based on a rigorous exclusion of the ironic stance.

You're saying country is never ironic and rock by default is always?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

No. That would be reading too much into what I said. Irony can sneak into country from time to time, but it exists there mainly as a novelty. Rock can be sincere, but that tends to drag it in the direction of a sunny pop sensibility or indie angst. There are no bright lines, but the overall tendencies seem plain enough to me.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't say country rigorously excludes irony. Country/blues music just never has to USE irony, because they just go "life kinda sucks but I'm not dead" and that's it, what other sentiment do you want? There's no NEED for irony. Rock music is all like "your society is wack and makes me wish I was dead!" which is kind of ironic right there on the face of it, I mean wtf just go kill yourself already, if that's how you feel. I mean you could just as easily (and accurately) say that hip hop's success is based on a "rigorous exclusion of the ironic stance" but come on.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

And anyway I don't think Bono or the Boss are being ironic, mocking or envious, and I've also never seen them in the Country section.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

And yet, they are both keenly aware of the country section.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

"And that's not how I remember the 70s and 80s..."

Lord, that's how I remember them...

Oakridge Boys
Alabama
Kenny Rogers
Conway Twitty
Anne Murray
Crystal Gayle
Gordon Lightfoot
Willie Nelson
Waylon Jennings
Tanya Tucker

etc, etc... that's what was in my folks record cabinet, maybe you're folks were into Seals & Croft.

andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I like country in no small part because it bothers ironists.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

What an odd thread.

I think the country/blues perspective is more naturally and comfortably ironic than the rock perspective. It has to do with somehow managing to live in a basically absurd and inhospitable world. Not that any of them exclude sincerity, so it's really a false dichotomy, but something like "I'll Never Get Out of This World Alive" seems to me like a deep appreciation of irony.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

If you ask the Country section what time it is, he always says, "Two seconds till." After you ask, "Two seconds till what?" he roundhouse kicks you in the face.

The Country section uses ribbed condoms inside out, so he gets the pleasure.

Since 1940, the year the Country section was born, roundhouse kick related deaths have increased 13,000 percent.

There are no disabled people. Only people who have met the Country section.

There is no chin behind the Country section's beard. There is only another fist.

It was once believed that the Country section actually lost a fight to a pirate, but that is a lie, created by the Country section himself to lure more pirates to him.

The Country section once lined up to kick the winning field goal of a high school football game. When the football went flat, he persuaded the referees to let him kick the field goal with a 3 month old child. The Country section roundhouse kicked the baby 60 yards through the uprights and then proceeded to bang every girl in the stadium.

When the Country section's wife burned the turkey one Thanksgiving, the Country section said, "Don't worry about it honey," and went into his backyard. He came back five minutes later with a live turkey, ate it whole, and when he threw up a few seconds later the turkey was fully cooked and came with cranberry sauce. When his wife asked him how he had done it, he gave her a roundhouse kick to the face and said, "Never question the Country section."

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

And yet, Iranians are totally cool with it.

xxpost

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Well, heck-a-roonie people! If I'm wrong, then what can I say? I'm wrong!

Any generalization about music genres can be proved wrong by judicious selection of examples, because every genre blurs into every other genre and almost anything that can be imagined has already been done at least once by someone. The only way out is to qualify each general statement so heavily that it loses all impact and most of its meaning.

But, on the whole it appears to me from my own limited and faulty point of view that there are tendencies in country music that might be construed in ways somewhat similar to those which I earlier stated, although I admit that any of what I said could possibly be wrong and could easily be useless in specific applications. And I stand firmly by that!

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

There is no chin behind the Country section's beard. There is only another fist.

????

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Alot of country is quite topical.

For intstance, Glen Campbell's "Galveston" is about vietnam.

All of the 911 tributes.

And, Tim McGraw's Red Rag Top was a strangely compelling song about abortion... banned in many stations:

"Well the very first time her mother met me,
Her green eyed girl was a mother to be for 2 weeks
I was out of a job and she was in school,
Life was fast and the world was cruel
We were young and wild, we decided not to have a child
So we did what we did and we tried to forget
And we swore up and down there would be no regrets
In the morning light,
But on the way home that night

"On the back of that red rag top
She said please don’t stop..
Lovin’ me..."

andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

I thought that country has been slowly assimilating all non-angry non-pretentious rock for the last decade or so. More accurately, there isn't a dearth of rock that falls into this category so the country has crept in.

mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

i mean, the carter family would be a good start. im late for work so i can't talk about this further, but in the late 1930's they were it, probably the most popular music in america.

from All Music:

"Eventually, the group signed a lucrative radio contract with XERF in Del Rio, TX, which led to contracts at a few other stations along the Mexican and Texas border. Because of their locations, these stations could broadcast at levels that were far stronger than other American radio stations, so the Carters' radio performances could be heard throughout the nation, either in their live form or as radio transcriptions. As a result, the band's popularity increased dramatically, and their Decca records became extremely popular."

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

"Brick" - smugness + twang = "Red Rag Top"

yuengling participle (rotten03), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)


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