A Spoiler-free 'West Wing' Thread for the UK

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still got it!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Can someone say where we're upto in the UK so I don't sick my foot in it?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Aw, bless.

Anyway, yes, taking sides - Santos v Hoynes v Bingo Bob (though the spoileriffic obits for John Spencer have kind of ruined it).

(Santos has just announced that he's running, he was up in New Hampshire putting his foot in it last week)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

at what point will donna join smits (or hawkeye, thinking about it)?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Once they realise that Bob is a tosser (which I think is entirely unfair, incidentally). hopefully Will will get back as well, as his little asides to Toby are a joy, as are most things Toby is involved in.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

not saying

Anna-Beth is the best new character IT's good that they finally admit that these highminded people need a hairstyles and daytime talkshows guru.

Will's an arrogant twat.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Anna-Beth has totally grown on me too since her introduction, where she was dense bimbette from hell.

Will = arrogant, but necessary. They can't all be lovable, you know.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

but to see him go from idealist local activist to opportunist aide to bingo bob, oy!

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh, that never happens

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

of course it does, watching will turn into a twat is entertaining, he's still a twat though.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

he is a twat.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Yes, he is a twat, but people change, I couldn't stand it if the core staff were all good people with the sun shining out of their arses forever. I like that Donna has walked off to join him because she knows she's better than just being Josh's lackey too. They are both opportunistic, yes, but they are realistic as characters - looking to the future for the party rather than remaining loyal to the outgoing Bartlet and the people who gave them their chance to shine.

I know that Rob Lowe is never coming back, btw, but it would have been nice if they'd mentioned Sam as a potential candidate, even if just to all go "nah, no chance", since that was the way his character was going before Lowe pissed off to unsuccessful pastures new.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Also, where can I start a campaign to get Ainsley Hayes back?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

I think the show certainly does everything iy can to make you think will made the wrong choice, but i fail entirely to see how he is a 'twat'

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

When I said he was a twat, what I mean is that he has been stupid and is backing the wrong horse. However, he is still doing what he thinks is right, which is not in itself twattish, but his choice seems bad, which makes him seem, well, twattish. But I'd still prefer Bob Russell to John Hoynes IRL. There's something exceedingly unlikeable about Hoynes. Santos is still being pegged as the bumbling newbie, but he now has support from Bartlet as per the last UK episode, so there is hope that he will turn into the great hope that Josh sees him as.

When's Alan Alda coming in properly then?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

that's the thing - will his campaign be covered as much as the dems?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

CAn I talk about the format of the campign series without spoilering?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

don't see why not.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Is this worth watching again? The fifth series was so horrible I gave up.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

i craftily missed it.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

Once the campaign really get's going its about equal coverage going to the bartlet admin, the Dem campaign campaign and the republican campaign. (can you guess who the noms will be based on your knowledge of dramatic conventions).

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

from the dvd packaging, it looks like hawkeye gets the republican nom -- but do they follow the GOP primaries much?

i missed series 5 -- what happened to john goodman?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

can't say more without spoilering, you'll know in four or five weeks anyway.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

it's a dangerously immersive show.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

yes the alternative political reality is much better than the real one, especially during the campaign.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

that's why i worry -- i invest in this unreality a lot more than in the real. john kerry makes bingo bob look like a paragon of innovationa nd spontaneity.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...

god damn it amy gardner is hot.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

i found this random fact on the internets which i think it's important to share, also:

"Don Johnson & Philip Michael Thomas edged out [Gary] Cole and Jimmy Smits for the roles of Crockett & Tubbs in "Miami Vice" (1984)."

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

god damn it amy gardner is hot.

I think you'll find you've misspelled "annoying" there.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

???

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

i like the way she doesn't enunciate.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't like her. I actually booed when MLP's name came up in the credits, and cheered when Josh told her to get out. Why doesn't she work for Abby anymore, I couldn't remember. She's the most annoying character after Margaret, and that's not so much that I don't like Margaret as that I find the actress who plays her to be really bad. Though maybe she's really good and she just plays Margaret as a really stilted and awkward person, but you'd think being the assistant to the Chief of Staff would require a bit more savvy. Basically, they (the lower-level staffers) should all be Donna or Charlie or Debbie. I think it's bad acting. I also hate that things like this bother me.

This series needs more Joey Lucas. It's about votes and opinions, you need a polling expert. And one small appearance in one episode so far this series just isn't enough.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

we need more bruno!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

they also never explained ainsley leaving. iirc they promoted her -- and she was never seen again.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

We don't need any more Matthew Perry though.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

She's the most annoying character after Margaret

because she's direct, though casual about it? maybe the writers are looking at her through male eyes? your annoying is my charming.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

and Josh's, obviously. though it's both, really.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

she's too good for josh and his ub40.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I accidentally spoilered myself by clicking on the wrong episode of my season 7 disc and not realising until it was TOO LATE and I'd learnt something earth-shattering :(

I started out liking Amy and then she seemed to get annoying. West Wing characters seem to have a nasty habit of doing this - cf Will. The Margaret thing is weird... she's sort of cool because she's so eccentric but it's like Ally McBeal syndrome: you can't help feeling that someone that ditzy/odd wouldn't get to be a top lawyer.

During season 6 I kind of lost interest in everyone but Josh and Donna, IIRC.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

who are the most British and most American characters on the show?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it's because she (Amy) is written as a feminist woman as viewed through the eyes of a man? I don't like Abby Bartlet for much the same sort of reason, however the female characters who are characters first, women second (Ainsley, CJ, Donna, Annabeth, Debbie, Mrs Landingham RIP) are generally excellent. I think it's people with chips on their shoulders about stuff generally that I don't like, and Abby and Amy seem to crusade about theirs a lot more.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

who are the most British and most American characters on the show?
-- gabbneb (gabbne...), January 19th, 2006.

good question!

leo is the most american, of the major cast. perhaps will most english.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Not counting Lord John Marbury, I assume?

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I thought that was a good question, but I have no answer. I think perhaps Mrs Landingham was quite British? Also, possibly Charlie, he seems quite, I dunno, reserved? That's not the word.

The least British character is Lord John Marbury :)

xpost!

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

(four minute xpost because I was off to check on Roger Rees' nationality)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Hehe. Will seems less English now he's got all ambitious and arrogant. I'd say Toby is very British in some ways.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I said that was a good question, and it isn't at all because now I have a head full of stereotypes :(

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

toby is one of the most english, even though perhaps more is made of his US-ethnic background than of any other character except bartlet.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Have we had a OPO West Wing characters yet? That would be really difficult. Mine would probably be CJ. Or Charlie. Or Leo. Or Donna. Or Toby. Gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh *head explodes*

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Anna-beth, has to be anna-beth.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 110 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

No, I've changed my mind. Best line = Debbie to Vinick in the West Wing "make yourself comfortable"...*mutters* "not too comfortable"

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 June 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

heheh YES! goood episode. tho i am sad every time jon spencer is onscreen - leo was such a noble character....

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 5 June 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

ailsa otm: GREAT ep except the will/kate thing (and i LIKE will now, a had to see series 5 to realize it wasn't his fault). brilliant leo-prez conversation, and generally the more bruno the better.

one minor problem is that while alda is strong as hell, santos isn't all that inspirational!

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but he's decent and upstanding, and sort of Bartlett-esque in that respect.

Favour time here. Does anyone have the post-September 11th one-off episode, which I don't believe they ever showed on British TV due to the crap way that the West Wing used to get shunted round the schedules?

(trying to see if it was on YouTube, I notice someone has uploaded most, if not all, of Sports Night, for whoever was asking about it upthread)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Ailsa, that ep was on cable in Oz about a month ago. It wasn't specially good or memorable on any level.

― Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

it is v bad.

if you can explain how i can shot it via ysi, i will do so though.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

it's a bit arbitrary, the donna/garolfano thing. who works where!?

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Monday, 12 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ailsa, I've got it too. I'll put it on a CD for you if Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens can't get the YSI on.

― stet (stet), Monday, 12 June 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

i have it on dvd, ailsa, so if neither of these chaps can hook you up, i'll post it to ya for viewing purposes, loike. i actually liked it, for all its hokiness.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Cor, youse are all lovely. Possibly getting from stet would be easier since I may well be drinking bouze with his other half at some point in the not too distant future. Unless someone knows more than me about the technical stuff.

This week's UK ep (Vinick has a sore hand from shaking hands with people, Santos has an illegitimate kid, oh no, he doesn't, it's a family scandal, despite the fact that not a year ago he was asked by Josh to disclose every bit of history that may come back to haunt him and he totally forgot to mention he has his whole separate bank account to pay his wayward brother's child maintenance, we've all forgotten about Josh and Donna's pending shag-fest) was a bit dullsville.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 June 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

How big is the file, Enrique? You can send up to 1GB via YSI. my email is as below, but less googleproofed.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 June 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

season 7 > season 6 but i don't know how difficult that is. I am glad i have the first few seasons on dvd.

― jeffrey (johnson), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

I watched the first episodes of season two (the shooting). They were ace.

― stet (stet), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

stet, it'd be menschy if you could hook ailsa up, my leeched wifi inn't up to the ysiing of the west wing.

this last ep wasn't so great -- it would have been better if santos *was* having an affair! but i think josh did know about the cheques -- santos mentioned his wayward brother and we can assume he told him around then.

also it needs more toby!

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

I watched the end of season seven courtesy of the internet. i won't spoil it.

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

No, please don't. I think Ed's stopped threatening to, as well. Hurrah! A spoiler-free thread which is actually spoiler-free!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, more Toby!

Actually, what happened to Toby? I missed those episodes.

And wasn't there supposed to be some ambiguity over whether Victor Sifuentes was fibbing at the end?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Toby leaked the space shuttle story to the press. Bartlet wasn't best pleased.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

he sure wasn't.

― jeffrey (johnson), Thursday, 15 June 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

And wasn't there supposed to be some ambiguity over whether Victor Sifuentes was fibbing at the end?

naw. i guessed it was his feckless bredren straight off the bat.

team vinick is the tru core of this series. alda, silver, and root, and their mean-ass GOP women. the dems on the other hand don't talk about political stuff very much.

― Seriously, Try Punching This Guy in the Face and See What Happens (Enrique), Thursday, 15 June 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

god damn it amy gardner is hot.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 17 July 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

also a 1,000,000x kudos to rob lowe for coming back, wot a dude.

plus FINALLY santos does the kind of thing that made josh pick him up in the first place.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 17 July 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

yes. this episode made me wish it wasn't the last series.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 17 July 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah totally.

loved josh offering cj a job -- what could she say? you can't take a step down. but as we know she ends up in cali with danny.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 17 July 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

it had that great West Wing twist at the end, too - i was anticipating a fiery face-off between Santos and Bartlett - but, no, the wily old dude planned the whole thing behind everyone's backs.

i do miss leo tho.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

that's what i mean, it was pretty much like josh's first encounter with santos, when i was all for him. he got kind of boring in the election. and of course bartlet had guessed what he was up to. love it.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah. West Wing is best when it is way smarter than me, and goes in directions i hadn't even considered.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

We cheered, like out loud and stuff, when Rob Lowe spun round in his chair. Hurrah! Sam really is a great character, isn't he?

Leo's funeral was well done, everyone (except Sam, which made it doubly exciting to see him back this week) that you'd expect to see there, and no giving them plots just because they were there (Joey, Mallory, etc), they were just there as you'd expect them to be at a funeral.

This week's episode really was marvellous.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

NBG. it's great that they've dumped blondie mctitsalot but an ep without josh/toby/sam/will or donna isn't a real ep. and there's only two left now.

plus wtf is amy's job? she seemed to be standing in for sam... who was meant to cover for josh.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Saturday, 22 July 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

i saw it again and actually it was good. but at this stage i find it hard to watch, ya know...

more4 are doing a 'best of the west wing' thing on saturday. but no 'posse comitatus'! no 'commencement'! no 'the one where will writes the state of the union (or whatever it is)'!

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget the West Wing quiz! hosted by rory bremner!

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

with tv's dr who!

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

it'll be soul-crushing but i will watch anyway.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Phones are being unplugged and stuff in here tomorrow night - disturbance is punishable by something nasty. And we'll be recording it too. And also recording Saturday stuff for a good old night in some other time. Then I'm going out to procure them all and start again, unless More4 do something nice like repeating them all again from the start.

I had seasons 1-3 borrowed off someone before, but stupidly (yet legally, pirating-patrol) never copied them.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. That was lovely. More thoughts once I've time to form them, but I think, on the whole, they got it right (but there should have been more Rob Lowe). We thought the present from Leo would be a chess set, but as soon as Bartlet opened it, I said to Neil "it's the Bartlet for America napkin", and it was.

The West Wing Challenge was pish. I saddened myself by knowing most of the answers. I got stupidly irate with them for remembering loads of quotes but forgetting about Glenallen Walken, even though it was as obvious as Donna getting her and Helen's offices mixed up that it was totally scripted.

Millions of trailers for Studio 60 "coming soon". Hurrah!

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

penultimate one was fucking great. great toby and great danny and great cj (for the first time all series?).

sad not to have much josh and sam in either of them.

and obviously the BIG CLUNKER was will and i-will-not-mention-her-name.

yay for ginger cameo.

― Enrique (Enrique), Saturday, 29 July 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, my next DVD-watching project is Murder One, starring Clunker Woman, who actually looked older 10 years ago. The last one was cameos -a-go-go, I was sort of worried they'd resurrect Mandy from somewhere, but thank God it didn't go that far.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 29 July 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah i thought that!!

must be weird, being mandy, hate-object but at one point presumably quite successful. wonder what kind of residuals you'd get for that.

― Enrique (Enrique), Saturday, 29 July 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

nice big post from penman on these (and LOVEJOY!).

i don't think the west wing is that mushy. you're not always supposed to approve of bartlet or santos. with the kazakstan (sp) thing the show gives no clue as to the rights and wrongs of the thing; and santos *does* disagree with bartlet; hence vinick over nancy.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 31 July 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Then I'm going out to procure them all and start again, unless More4 do something nice like repeating them all again from the start.

Thank you More4, I shall offer you my first-born, and a packet of Jaffa cakes.

(Sunday 8pm, nostalgia fans!)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

bah, more 4 is still not on freesat.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Murder One! Patricia Clarkson! Stanley Tucci! Intense Bald Guy! AWESOME!

Also, re: "great cj (for once)" - dude, wha bout the ep where she screwed the pooch about the Prez having something important to worry about for once? Or the one where she dresses down the fashion reporter? Or the solo ep w/ her dad & her high-school reunion tryst?!?!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Also, y'know, THE JACKAL...

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Though to be fair to Enrique, he did say great CJ for this first time THIS SERIES. I don't really buy CJ as Chief of Staff, and I miss her sparking off the White House reporters. But I wouldn't go so far as to say she's been not good this last series.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, shit - series = season! My bad.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

oh god yeah only this season.

the solo ep w. modine is great.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 3 August 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

cover for 'series 7: the contenders' is weird -- no republicans!

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Spoilerz:

I go to college with Martin Sheen

― Breean Weldrick (weldrick), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Watching again from the start on More4. Archel completely OTM way upthread about the "nnnngggggggg" horror of the "wow, aren't women great, look, Mandy can even have a conversation with a MAN" episode.

Mandy = still as annoying as I remember all those years ago. Bring it on with Season 2 (I watched "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen" a couple of weeks ago on the More4 WestWingathon and my God is that not utterly fantastic telly)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Watching The American President on UK Gold just now. Starring Martin Sheen as John Spencer! And Michael Douglas as Martin Sheen! And Nancy McNally! And Josh Malina! And Martin Crane from Frasier and her that he married at the end of Frasier too! And Ellie Bartlet! And lots of people walking and talking and saying "it's this thing" a lot!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 8 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

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