Focus Groups: Classic Or Dud?

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They helped pay my wages for a bit but in general it's hard to think of a business innovation more generally disdained - declaring yourself opposed to "focus groups" has become knee-jerk shorthand for suggesting that you are Your Own Person - but focus groups still seem to me to be quite a good idea, even discounting the fantastically mad ones where people get hypnotised. What does anyone think?

Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well the Freaky Trigger Pop Focus Group is fantastic - though I fear it may not be run on traditional focus group lines.

If you get a focus group to influence decisions do you not just get a consensus and compromise decision which leads to blanding out of once radical ideas leaving everybody mildly dissatisfied?

Pete, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No no you see this is the thing - actual market research with polls and stats does the consensus thing whereas six (semi-random) people in a room mean that mad individual comments can take on the status of Oracular Pronouncements. I suspect that FGs have actually made modern life more not less interesting and have now been unfairly blamed for it.

The FT PM FGs would not pass Market Research Institute guidelines I fear.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic because i get 75 dollars for eaach one i am in and if you are on the list you get called alot. I have done them for everything from Levis to Kool-Aid

anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

where do i sign to sell my antipodean soul?

Geoff, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would LOOOOOOVE to be a regular participant in focus groups. Anything where I get rewarded for being opinionated and bitchy can't be anything less than good.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of my jobs in about '93/94 was to recruit 'style leaders/early adopters' focus groupies for a qualitative market research company in London which I found HYSTERICAL. I was getting together marketing/ advertising ammo to launch a magazine and the Powers That Be wanted to help me, so paid me to serve the booze and sandwiches at the groups I recruited and officially turned blind eyes to my spying.

I worked on accounts for the relaunch of Cosmopolitan and the launch of Mojo and other things like alcopops (which my group of style leaders found really gross, incidentally). At the Cosmo group eight women from Hertfordshire in, like, BHS-wear dissected the mag while, behind the one-way mirror in the observation deck, Marcelle D'Argy Smith was tearing her hair out and moaning about how these heffalumps were NOT her readers (sorry Marcelle, but OH YES THEY WERE). Clearly she was jonesing on some fantasy of a reader who was 24 with a good job in PR and a flat in Ladbroke Grove. Marcelle seemed to be one of those highly strung women who suffer from Sick Headaches, darling.

By the time most things are focus grouped the company commissioning the work has already decided to (re)launch whatever, so they're either trying to figure out how to sell to a particular demographic or trying to figure out if they've actually connected with the right one in the first place. In a lot of cases they're trying to affirm a cynical view they have of what ABC1s or C1/C2s will take up because after about 6 months one can become incredibly jaded about who these people 'are'.

In best cases, focus groups figure out how to sell in an intelligent way, and people do genuinely like being paid £50 and given wine, beer and M&S nibbles while being asked for their opinions. In the worst cases they're trying to make unpalatable things acceptable to people and just working out damage limitation and head them off at the pass tactics. I tried not to work on the latter. I mean, yuck: Nestlé trying to pussyfoot around the baby milk in Africa issue is just uncool.

suzy, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, Christ Suzy. You should see the 400 page booklet Nestle sent us this year on how they are conforming with the WHO code. The first statistical inaccuracy was on page 2 (and that was the contents page). Nasty piece of work that one, you would think they would spend all this money trying to convince that they are okay actually being okay...

I appear to have the wrong end of the stick in focus groups. Can someone let me be in one for 50 quid.

Pete, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wow. How do I sign up? Getting paid for being opinionated sounds too good to be true.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh! Oh! Who wants to hear my market research story from last week, eh?

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Better here than in the pub, DG. I am sure all who know me are sick of my MR stories but for me there can never be enough.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OK...I was approached by some company to take part in a focus group focussing on brands, on behalf of Guardian Unlimited. So, I turn up to some studio off Oxford Street, we're led to a room and told to introduce ourselves. Within about 20 seconds I realise I'm surrounded by people doing PhD's in pharmacology, research scientists and a strong contingent of Young Media Professionals. So, you can imagine the joy I felt at having to say "I'm David, I'm 20 and I'm unemployed." Eek! Anyway, the first exercise is the 'Guardian party'. We have to picture some kind of party attended by Guardian readers, what are they like, what's on the stereo etc. Cue much sucking up by YMP on my left, ie "The music...hmm... well, something very cool. Very cool and urban." or words to that effect. Unfortunately, this fellow seemed determined to steal the show, though I was quite proud of myself for sneering "Doubtless there'll be many a snack from a Nigella Lawson cookbook", which seemed to amuse them. The 'chat' carried on in this vein, only a bit more concerned with what brands would be appropriate to advertise on the Guardian website and how to advertise them. What shocked me though was the aforementioned YMP on my left (who hoped to be a marketing director in the next couple of years) gibbering about brand 'personalities', getting excited about Diesel 'saying' young, hip, urban etc etc to him. I felt like the Pinefox, ie totally baffled at 90% of what's being said (hee hee). Brands mean nothing to me. They're just exercises in marketing. I don't care. I just want the end product to be good.

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Suzy, your story inevitably reminded me of Magda from Ab Fab, I'll have you know. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG: almost certainly your YMP nemesis was completely ignored by the organisers - first rule of focus groups as I recall from basic Qual training is that you isolate the dominant participant and screen them out as much as possible because they'll be working from an internal pre-arranged script not responding to the questions/exercises/stimuli.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He did sound like he'd been at a gig like that before. And there was something so *dishonest* about him, it made my skin crawl.

DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic. Market research = classic. Misuse of market research to create cheap cynical marketing ploys rather than better product = dud.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What DG said, I fear.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The way to sign up for FG's, given the laziness of recruiters is to hang around on in a cliched urban location be-fitting to your age. In the UK: London (usually crap places like Watford), Manchester, Leeds and Glasgow. Say yes to any question asked by anyone with a clip- board. Or have a (dodgy) friend who works for one of the dodgier market research agencies. They are not all fun, however - would you want to talk about the latest issue of stamps from Royal Mail, or packeted soup?

Far better are 'Hall-tests' where you can guzzle free product and be out of there in 15-20 mins with cash/freebies in hand.

KM, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My worst one was Canada Post. I got paid $ 40 to tell them what i wanted on stamps.

anthony, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...
I am about to go to my third focus group in 2 days!

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

What're you focusing on?

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I still want to know

jel -- (jel), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

I hear the sound of a non-disclosure agreement. Maybe its a Top Secret new product that will revolutionise how we all fasten our clothes or wipe our bums or something fundamental like that.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

My focus group hookup called me at 9:07 this morning after I was out drinking until closing time and asked if I wanted to do an imported beer group next week.

"It doesn't pay much -- 85 dollars, and you'll have to taste beer and answer questions for about an hour," she said.

Last time, I went for a hair product or something, but they were overbooked. A woman had me wait and read magazines for fifteen minutes then handed me 150$.

Utterly classic. A scam of scams.

scrimshaw (scrimshaw1837), Saturday, 30 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

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Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

crøcus frocüs NOW

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 30 July 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

i had the best focus group. i had to go to santa monica and tell a bra company exactly how ugly their bras were. unfortunately it was on my birthday, but hey, 65 bucks is 65 bucks.

amy (amy), Saturday, 30 July 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Jamba Juice taste test in t-minus 3 hours.

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

gross

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

C+, not as good as "M&Ms in the toaster."

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm not trying to entertain you, I'm telling you the truth.

Like you don't ever "recycle" jokes!

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm just teasing, it made me ROFFLE.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Or at least GUFFAW.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

oh oh okay.

let's be friends then

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

I have never had JAMBA JUICE but it seems gross.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

seriously though, Jamba Juice have just come up with the WORST IDEA EVER. look for it soon in your local juicery. I'm duty bound not to disclose what it is.

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

oh. I like the juice. this is something different.

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

see

What's so funnya about Jamba Juice?

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

What is a JAMBA JUICE? Is it just...juice?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Why a whole store of JUICE?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Is the beverage you were on a focus group for...ALCOHOLIC? Is it an alcoholic ENERGY DRINK? Does it contain GUARANA?

I am FULL OF QUESTIONS.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Jamba Juice is a nationwide smoothie chain headquartered in San Francisco, California with about 440 locations in half of the U.S. states.

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

They have an operating agreement with Whole Foods to sell only "natural" products inside some of their locations, which includes the ingredients of their smoothies. For this reason, offerings at Whole Foods sites may differ from those at stand-alone sites.

Jamba Juice was founded in 1990 as Juice Club in San Luis Obispo, California. In 1993 the company opened two other stores, one in Northern California and one in Southern California. In 1995 Juice Club changed its name to Jamba Juice. Since then it has expanded to become one of the nation's best-known smoothie chains, emphasizing the benefits of a healthy lifestyle.

Founded by Kirk Perron, the privately-held company is partly owned by "Kenny G" (Gorelick), Paul Allen (Microsoft fame), and Howard Schultz (Starbucks), and two venture capital companies (which have invested upwards of US$60 million).

Since entering the market in New York City, Jamba Juice has opened 19 locations across the city, with more opening daily. The first and most prominent location is located at Columbus Circle and 59th Street, in the basement of the Time Warner Center Building, with Whole Foods Market as a close neighbor.

The number of smoothie flavors offered has grown. In addition to the smoothies, Jamba Juice sells fresh-squeezed orange juice and lemonade, as well as wheatgrass juice shots. Jamba Juice offers boosts (dietary supplements) with all of their smoothies, the most common being the "energy boost", followed by "immunity" and others.

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

a typical jamba juice store
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Jambajuicestore.jpg/180px-Jambajuicestore.jpg

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

the privately-held company is partly owned by "Kenny G" (Gorelick), Paul Allen (Microsoft fame), and Howard Schultz (Starbucks)

!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Welcome to California

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Now I just imagine ordering a smoothie and getting a gross long curly Kenny G hair in it.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

yes

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

I've had Jamba Juice a couple of times. It's not bad. It's supposed to be all healthy, but it's loaded with SUGAR.

I considered going there today because they have some new PUMPKIN-related beverage.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

GROSS. The thought of drinking pumpkin is disgusting.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

PSL, dude.

Skinny fashion student, why make Jamba Juice your breakfast?

F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Friday, 28 October 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

so classic

admrl, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

i'm doing a focus group next week! i've always wanted to be in a focus group!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 20:11 (fourteen years ago)


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