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As mentioned by Mark on the Silencio thread, films, albums etc are getting longer. I think I have a vague idea why this is in both of those cases (vfm, CD's hold 70 mins of music so 35 minutes looks like a swizz). But what length do you have a preference for. Do you, like Hopkins, have a preference for short novels over shelf-busters. Is this true of other typoes of art (are exhibitions too big, TV series too long).

Give examples of things which need pruning, and how to get around this trend, if indeed you think this trend is worth changing.

― Pete, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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― mark s, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kids these days are too bloody long. What they need is a damn good pruning.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What was I thinking? This is a rubbish thread. Pruning however, shouldn't that also be the word for the effect bathwater has on you habds and toes?

― Pete, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Long albums = bad things. 45 minutes = should be legally enforced maximum length.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

General rules for music or art maaaaaaan are a little bit silly.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Andy Warhol's "Empire" was a tad overlong, methinks.

― Trevor, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They're not silly. Most bands can't keep it up for longer than 1/2 an hour anyway.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Theres loads of good albums longer than 45 minutes. therefore it is not good to say that no album should be longer than 45 minutes. I like that logic.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This all goes back to how much you love the Strokes DG.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There are very few good long albums. Don't bother invoking the Strokes, I can't get angry at them anymore, that's SOOOOOOO last year. The jury's still out on Black Rebel Motorcycle Club though.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Everything I've liked ever, or almost everything is over 45 minutes. I don't think our tastes differ *that* much.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know how long Tarkus is but it's the perfect length for an album.

― Emma, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But speaking from experience, and using Pete's orginal figures:
Pulp - This Is Hardcore - 70-odd mins = total rubbish
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead - 35 mins = total brilliance
One band knew when to shut up, the other didn't and thought it would be rilly rilly cool to end their last song by holding a key down on their silly keyboard.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG's logic is working on the one album should fit onto one side of a c90 principle - which is a fine one by me! It it fits entirely, it's a little bit suss. If it's too long then the last couple of songs always get relegated to 'the ones on the other side' and then you must faff to find songs that fit with it, too short is pref. cos then you can end up the album with a song you KNOW is good or another example of the artists OUEFre as I shall call it from now on.

― Sarah, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yes, the c90 principle as well, thank you Sarah.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Is this where I get to go on about the Fire Engines?

Thought not.

― Tim, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tarkus is about 42 minutes long. And its prog. Now that is a match made in heaven.

Ryan Adams Gold is about 70 minutes of hell...

― Pete, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How many songs on Tarkus? If there is just the one then that is TOP NOTCH PROG.

― Sarah, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Side 1 - One track = Tarkus (though is split into seperate movements including the ace AquaTarkus) Side 2: 5 tracks.

― Pete, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tarkus? How?

― Tim, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was going to get it on CD a while back but the only place wot stocked it woz 101cd.com - for £18.99! Time to trawl 2nd hand shops, I think.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG is OTM up there.

Tim H - please go on about the Fire Engines.

Add a virulent, corrosive critique of the idea of the 'concept album' too, if you feel like it.

― the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think I should get a prize for bringing this thread round to Tarkus.

― Emma, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You say it like that's some kind of accomplishment.

― Josh, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my ass is so disappointed in this thread.

― geoff, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Can someone lend me Tarkus? I am intrigued and always up for a prog marathon.

― alix, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Albums should be 35 - 45 mins.

Films should be no longer than 110 minutes. Though, I can't sit still for more than 5 minutes...legs drapped over chair in front.

Books with more than 250 pages are less likely to be finished.

jel = EMTEEVEE generation.

― jel, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Almost every album nowadays is over 45 minutes, so if you're all saying every album nowadays is shit then lots of things you've all said in the past would look quite funny.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I got Tarkus for £6.99.

― jel, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tarkus? How?

Am I the only one to get this joke?

I never contributed to the original Tarkus thread cos it had turned into some scary Rushathon by the time I noticed it. But can Pete or Emma solve a puzzle that's bothered me since I was about 7 - is the creature the tarkus becomes once it's had its eye split open pronounced aqua'tar'kus or aquata'kus? My brother was an ELP fan until he realised he'd made a terrible mistake in about 1976. Have fond memories of sticking my head between the speakers on our old Ambassador stereogram for the panning finale to Brain Salad Surgery.

― Michael Jones, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Most CDs these days require refined use of the fast forward button. Or in the case of 'The Marshall Mathers LP', the stop button, then the eject button, then various buttons on my phone as I try to find someone who wants a free copy.

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fuckin traditionalists.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bah! You kids today...

― DG, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Marshall Mathers LP is much better than Tarkus.

― Sean, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What is "Tarkus" and why are you all going on about it?

(NB - *please don't answer this question*.)

― the pinefox, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eminems song on "The Blueprint" is his finest work to date.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My brother and his wife are expecting a baby, and I'm calling him right now to suggest if it's a boy they name it Tarkus. I can't stand the album, but he likes it, and actually it's kind of a cool name. I'll let you know what he says.

― Sean, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ok, he laughed but said his wife would never go for it.

― Sean, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eminems song on "The Blueprint" is his finest work to date.

No arguments here.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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