How stupid is Sen. Charles Schumer?

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answer: Very. Schumer's proposal to levy a 27.5% duty on Chinese imports is precisely the kind of protectionist idiocy that prolonged and exacerbated the Great Depression. Way to go, chuck, try to destroy the US economy. Moron.

DavidRicardo, Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

i don't know about that but he isn't very stupid about lots of other things.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

I actually think it's a shrewd move... not that it would actually happen, but it could be a good bargaining chip to force China's hands on opening markets. They would do the same in a second, btw.

andy ---, Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever heard him talk? During the John Roberts hearings he sounded like a 11th grade debate-class student.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

well at least that's about a dozen grades ahead of how the President sounds.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

he never acquits himself well in hearings. ever see Waco: The Rules of Engagement?

gear (gear), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

i believe that the proposed tariff(haven't heard much about it yet) has to do with trying to elbow China into letting their currency inflate(as opposed to artificially undervaluing it for years)

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Chuck Schumer is soooo stupid he...
...graduated from Harvard College
...graduated from Harvard Law School
...got elected to public office without any experience
...never lost an election
...unseated an incumbent to join the Senate
...won reelection in 2004 by the largest margin in NY state history

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like George W. Bush, gabbneb (except for the last point).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, I don't think any of those are indicators of intelligence. well, *maybe* the Harvard Law School bit.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

(x-post)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

sounds like Bush!grr xpost

gear (gear), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Of course the whole China currency thing is also kind of a red herring, since they could let their currency appreciate a whole lot and they'd still have big trade advantages with us. Schumer's not a dummy (tho he is kinda irritating and is not as smart as he thinks he is), but all this China-bashing stuff is a sideshow and it plays to know-nothingism that may or may not be politically useful in the short term but doesn't really serve anyone's interests in the long term. If you wanna go after China, go after their labor abuses and lack of basic freedoms. Moaning about trade deficits is stupid when so much Chinese industry is being subcontracted by Western multinationals anyway.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

"they could let their currency appreciate a whole lot and they'd still have big trade advantages with us"

Bottom line: there's no competing with slave labor. The other stuff is all window dressing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

Threating tariffs may be cagey. Imposing tariffs is worse than stupid.

DavidRicardo, Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

(in other words gypsy OTM)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like George W. Bush, gabbneb

yeah, Jewish kid from Brooklyn = old money grandkid of Yale Board member, Harvard grad from Brooklyn = son of CIA chief, first elected at 24 = first elected at 48, never lost an election = lost straight out the box, unseated incumbent to move up = lost to the VP by razor-thin margin and stole it in the courts, won last reelection by largest margin in history = won last reelection by smallest margin in history

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

China's rights record is dreadful. "Slave labor" however has no measurable effect on the price competitiveness of Chinese exports. How many hundreds of millions of slaves do they have? In the high tech and heavy industrial sectors. Uh...none?

DavidRicardo, Friday, 30 December 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

Well, when you put it that way, gabbneb.

That said, your first list sounded remarkably like George W.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

""Slave labor" however has no measurable effect on the price competitiveness of Chinese exports. How many hundreds of millions of slaves do they have? In the high tech and heavy industrial sectors. Uh...none?"

uh, ALL OF THEM? When you don't have to pay your workforce anything, that cuts out a huge chunk of your overhead budget and you can undercut everyone else's prices accordingly. Chinese workers are paid basically nothing, forced to work in horrible conditions, with no legal rights or recourse, and a state that brutally oppresses them and farms out their labor to global corporations.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

tip of the iceberg: http://www.laogai.org/hdbook/hb_toc.htm

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

"Of course the whole China currency thing is also kind of a red herring, since they could let their currency appreciate a whole lot and they'd still have big trade advantages with us."

Like the Chinese government selling off all of the U.S. debt they have been buying up.

The more I read, I have come to believe that the best way to even up things with China is to leave it alone. China seems to have many structural problems with their economy, it is more likely that it will collapse or at least weaken upon its own internal failures than anything we do from the outside to even things up.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, China's not on any kind of smooth road. There are a lot of internal issues there. I don't think they'll "collapse" -- and I hope they don't, I don't think that would be good for anyone -- but it's not like we're all going to be working for China Inc. in 20 years. It's more complicated than that.

Anyway, the U.S. would do a lot better to worry about our own issues -- education and healthcare, for a start. And Schumer's record on both of those is pretty good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm amazed the Chinese regime has stayed solvent as long as it has.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

The Chinese pyramid is so big, it will take a lo-o-oong time to collapse under its own weight.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

A collapse of China would be good news for anyone who isn't a Han Chinese.

Sengai, Friday, 30 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

So all Chinese are slaves? Okay, that's intelligent discourse. Looks like someone has a future as a chuck schumer speechwriter.

DavidRicardo, Friday, 30 December 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

??????
I was talking about ethnic chinese populations, and how their cultures are in danger of being swallowed up by the central government.

Sengai, Friday, 30 December 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Schumer is a putz. He lives about 4 blocks from where I'm sitting; I sneered at him on the sidewalk once.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

gabbneb, similarities/dissimilarities to any other person, living or dead, which are entirely coincidental aside, I think people's points was that your Standard Barometers Of Intelligence are quite different than the rest of ours. This discussion shouldn't occur on a monthly basis.

I have no opinion on this matter! I am all for destroying our economy more anyway so either way I'm ok with this.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I am all for destroying our economy more anyway

But what can we, as simple individuals, do to help in this grand scheme?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Stop buying anything besides necessities (ie food, drink, clothing but only if your clothing doesn't fit or is completely destroyed, shelter but bare minimum and only if you don't already have stable shelter) in 2006.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

He's currently whoring to keep hedge-fund managers' $500 zillion a year earnings intact.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 13 August 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

guh.

awesome when he's interrogating gonzales, dud pretty much the rest of the time

kenan, Monday, 13 August 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'm inclined to cut him a little bit of slack, since after all, Wall Street is New York's biggest cash cow, and pretty much all senators are whores for their home-state industries, aren't they? On the other hand, it's not very inspiring to see him behave so predictably.

o. nate, Monday, 13 August 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

waht - http://gothamist.com/2007/08/30/secretary_schum.php

i suppose it would give him more camera time. i like how they went with the old school pic here - he looks a tiny bit like my Dad.

gabbneb, Thursday, 30 August 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Let's not forget he did - and does - support the war in Iraq.

paulhw, Thursday, 30 August 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

what a nonstory.

hstencil, Thursday, 30 August 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

I think I prefer an old school neo-mafioso type like the Fonz to be the Street's waterboy than the Chuckster...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/business/14schumer.html?hp

To Christopher Cox, the Republican chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the need for action was obvious in the spring of 2006.

His agency, which would later be criticized for a 2004 ruling that let banks pile up debt, had grown deeply concerned about lack of oversight of the nation’s largest credit-rating agencies, like Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s Investors Service.... After the collapse of Enron and WorldCom, the agencies had agreed to meet voluntary standards.

But the S.E.C. concluded that those agreements were inadequate, so Mr. Cox urged Congress to give his agency oversight powers. “Without additional legislative authority, the S.E.C. will not be able to regulate in a thoroughgoing way,” he told the Senate banking committee at an April 2006 hearing.

The plan drew broad, bipartisan support on Capitol Hill. But executives at the credit-rating agencies soon began pressing Mr. Schumer and other allies in Congress to block the proposal or at least limit its reach, according to current and former employees.

“They knew Schumer would support them,” said one former Moody’s executive, who asked not to be named because he still works in the industry. “He was their go-to guy,” the executive said.

While the Manhattan-based agencies were not significant campaign donors to Mr. Schumer or the Senate campaign committee, their lobbyists and many of their clients were. ...

Mr. Schumer, has a surprising defender in Alfonse M. D’Amato, the onetime Republican senator he ousted.

“Don’t take someone to task simply because a group has supported him politically and now he supports legislation that helps them,” Mr. D’Amato said. “The question is, is the legislation good or bad? With Chuck, it is clear he tries to do what is best for the state and city as a whole.”

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 19:58 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

nice performance making Lindsey Graham sound like a progressive yesterday, you schmuck.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:38 (seventeen years ago)

schumer's on ilx now? under what login?

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:41 (seventeen years ago)

Mr. Pay

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

"Senator Schumer said he had been unaware that the amendment ruled out money for museums and theaters."

pissing me offffffffffff

a transitional transitionalistic woman dat is transitionally great (tehresa), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/arts/16mone.html?_r=1

a transitional transitionalistic woman dat is transitionally great (tehresa), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/arkansas-gop-senate-candidate-apologizes-for-calling-schumer-that-jew.php

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:23 (seventeen years ago)

nothing to do w/ Chuck's stupidity tho

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:21 (seventeen years ago)

someone plz photoshop Schumer's head onto the opening sequence of "That GirlJew"

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:24 (seventeen years ago)

Dr Morbius the thread-title nazi

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:41 (seventeen years ago)

that nazi

man, i love collages (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:43 (seventeen years ago)

Schumer is a putz. He lives about 4 blocks from where I'm sitting; I sneered at him on the sidewalk once.

Does he still?

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:48 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

such a disgusting fuckwad.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/senator-chuck-schumer-wants-to-strangle-gaza-residents-economically-as-collective-punishment/

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 June 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

I'd like to remind New Yorkers that this scumbag wants to keep the Bush tax cuts for $250 G+ earners. That's your possible Senate leader. Vote Green.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 October 2010 11:55 (fifteen years ago)

poised to become majority leader, according to the NYT.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 29 October 2010 12:09 (fifteen years ago)

I read that article more as 'attempting to become' than 'poisted to become'

iatee, Friday, 29 October 2010 12:17 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, i'd say that's more accurate.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 29 October 2010 12:40 (fifteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

this fucking whore leads the surrender

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/129063-schumer-suggest-tax-compromise-no-cuts-over-1-million

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 November 2010 04:06 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

"That is what the caucus instructed me to use."

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:58 (fifteen years ago)

he makes Lieberman look like the king of spontaneity

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 March 2011 14:02 (fifteen years ago)

For all their talk of how important they are to the US (generated mostly by the residents of these particular states), the states of Connecticut, New Jersey and New York have some some pretty lousy congressional delegations.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:28 (fifteen years ago)

that statement might make sense if you took out 'new jersey' and 'connecticut'

iatee, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:30 (fifteen years ago)

I have never met someone who bragged about the importance of connecticut, trying to imagine what that would entail

iatee, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:31 (fifteen years ago)

Come on, like ESPN would be the same if its operations were in Rhode Island.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:37 (fifteen years ago)

I have never met someone who bragged about the importance of connecticut, trying to imagine what that would entail

Wallace Stevens is dead, true.

Hey Look More Than Five Years Has Passed And You Have A C (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 March 2011 15:45 (fifteen years ago)

surprise surprise gabbneb is standing up for Chuckie.

joyless kunt who afaik contributes nothing but toothless mockery (Eisbaer), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

that statement might make sense if you took out 'new jersey' and 'connecticut'

― iatee, Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:30 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Nah, i stand by the original statement.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Friday, 1 April 2011 13:24 (fifteen years ago)

fourteen years pass...

“Public sentiment — in terms of how Trump is behaving as president, what he’s doing as president — keeps sinking and sinking and sinking, and our Republican colleagues realize that,” Schumer told reporters after the vote. “So I think on this issue and other issues you’re going to find our Republican colleagues saying, ‘You know, maybe following Trump is like Thelma and Louise — right over the cliff.’”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/08/trump-veto-override-aca-war-powers-votes/

Relevant, appropriate, and relateable reference, Chuck.

peace, man, Friday, 9 January 2026 11:51 (five months ago)

Chuck hasn't yet realized he is also in the car

anvil, Friday, 9 January 2026 11:56 (five months ago)

he's always waiting for someone else to do something

jaymc, Friday, 9 January 2026 12:20 (five months ago)

Apparently at a town hall yesterday Maryland’s two senators said basically the sane thing, so I guess that’s the party line.

ICE = Tonton Macoute (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 9 January 2026 14:26 (five months ago)

soon we'll hear about trump's 'thelma & louise economy' if we're lucky

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 9 January 2026 17:56 (five months ago)

can someone photoshop Schumer 'n' Jeffries in the car

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 January 2026 20:18 (five months ago)

2010:

After Brown won the Senate race in Massachusetts, and the Obama agenda seemed stalled, Schumer told a meeting of his fellow Democratic senators, “If we ignore that and don’t change, we are like Thelma and Louise. We are headed right over the cliff. They were all saying, in as loud a voice as they could, all the middle-class people of Massachusetts—listen to us."

2013:

“If Republican mainstream conservatives continue to follow the tea party,” Democratic U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York said in a telephone interview Thursday, “they realize they (tea partiers) are sort of like Thelma and Louise, taking the Republican car over the cliff.”

2014:

"I think mainstream Republicans are saying 'enough already, if we keep following the tea party we're going to follow like Thelma and Louise over a cliff,'" Schumer said at the same breakfast, referring to the 1991 movie of two women who tried to outrun the law.

2017:

The Democratic leader in the Senate, Chuck Schumer of New York, was scornful of the Republican decision.

“Thelma and Louise are warming up the car,” Schumer said, referring to the eponymous movie that ends with two women driving their car off a very tall cliff to their deaths.

“They’re cutting taxes on the wealthy and taking health care from millions and raising premiums on millions of others all to reduce taxes on the rich,” said Schumer.

2023:

"And we talked about this. We believe that a lot of these Republicans will come to realize that if they follow the MAGA Republicans, it's like Thelma and Louise, right over a cliff," Schumer said. "They're going to be interested in their survival."

jaymc, Friday, 9 January 2026 20:25 (five months ago)

ready for Chuck Schumer‘s new podcast “the Bailey’s love movies!”

ICE = Tonton Macoute (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 9 January 2026 20:42 (five months ago)

I was gonna say “it’s the last movie the Baileys went to the theatre to see”

uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Friday, 9 January 2026 20:45 (five months ago)

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This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Friday, 9 January 2026 21:14 (five months ago)

Could we get the good Senator to record a commentary on the Thelma & Louise 4K

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 10 January 2026 17:22 (five months ago)

Because that’s obviously what he really wants

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 10 January 2026 17:26 (five months ago)

I didn't realize Thelma and Louise were the bad guys in Thelma and Louise

Brad C., Saturday, 10 January 2026 18:11 (five months ago)

seems like the only thing he knows about the movie is that the movie ends when a car is driven over a cliff. nothing else about the movie's plot or its ending even remotely fits the point he's trying to make.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 10 January 2026 18:13 (five months ago)

He also thinks all the cars following them also drive off the cliff.

uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Saturday, 10 January 2026 18:29 (five months ago)

It’s possible this man is stupid.

uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Saturday, 10 January 2026 18:29 (five months ago)

He’s the real life Charlie Brown trying to kick a football

cinematic hobo hip-hop rock ‘n’ roll blues-jazz soul-review (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 10 January 2026 18:57 (five months ago)

now there's an up-to-the-minute cultural reference!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 10 January 2026 19:07 (five months ago)

Ha!

cinematic hobo hip-hop rock ‘n’ roll blues-jazz soul-review (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 10 January 2026 19:37 (five months ago)

Schumer and Jeffries only willing to go so far re ICE while AOC urges its funding be cut, and others want this early 2000s created agency shut down completely

Schumer also criticized the shooting.

“Looking at the video, there seemed no justification to what these agents did,” Schumer said. “There needs to be a full investigation at the federal level, although I have little faith in the FBI is doing a fair investigation or DHS, but at the local level as well.”

But both Jeffries and Schumer declined to say whether they would use their authority to rein in ICE. Democrats hope to take back the majority in at least the House of Representatives in November.

Jeffries later clarified that he was focused mostly on extending subsidies for the Affordable Care Act’s health insurance marketplace. Schumer avoided questions on his way out of the press studio.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-ice-shooting-minnesota-funding-b2896967.html

curmudgeon, Saturday, 10 January 2026 22:30 (five months ago)

They probably figure that they'll catch less flak for things they don't say, because silence is hard to capture on tape and doesn't make for riveting video content.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 January 2026 00:35 (five months ago)

can't believe this thread is 21 years old

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 11 January 2026 00:49 (five months ago)


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