calling someone else politically correct - classic or dud?

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does it annoy anyone else how some people just love to throw this word around to the point where its meaning is lost? it's even more annoying than people who actually *are* politically correct. anyone with a liberal opinion, or who tries to think rationally about something instead of "not being afraid to tell the truth" is now politically correct.

alma, Friday, 30 December 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

It's what used to be called "cant".

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

It's meaning has been lost since it was invented. It's been a slur since the beginning, a conservative regurgitation of Stalinist vocabulary to belittle anything they disagreed with. It's a stupid phrase, and yeah, I wish no one would use it ever.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

cf. the noize board

controversial post, Friday, 30 December 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

cf. cowardly twits who post lame jibes anonymously.

remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 30 December 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

haha the noise board is full of bike-riding vegans!

born-again christians in the old corral (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 30 December 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

It's meaning has been lost since it was invented. It's been a slur since the beginning, a conservative regurgitation of Stalinist vocabulary to belittle anything they disagreed with. It's a stupid phrase, and yeah, I wish no one would use it ever.

-- gypsy mothra (meetm...), December 30th, 2005.

OTFM

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 30 December 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard anyone use the phrase whey they weren't attacking someone for being it, if that makes sense.

"Politcal correctness gone mad" is even worse, although I recently heard a Tory councillor describe something as "political correctness gone abosolutely insane," which made me giggle.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 30 December 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

That's "'political correctness gone mad' gone mad"

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 30 December 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

cf. the noize board

-- controversial post (shit

Typing "politically correct" into the search page for the noise board returns a grand total of 3 results.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 30 December 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Calling someone PC is an attempt at marginalization-as-argument: "Your opinion doesn't matter because its from a position I do not acknowledge as valid."

Which is UTTER bullshit until you actually take the time and discount the position. If you simply say "Oh, that's just you being PC", you've lost the argument by withdrawing. However, if you say "I think your position is being simplistically apologetic for Kanye West...the fact that he IS black does not mean that he can say for sure what Bush's stance on black people is. That's claiming authority simply by saying you've got authority."

I am sharpening my argument chops for the inevitable New Year's politcal argument. Can't WAIT.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

What I meant to finish that with was However, if you say "I think your position is being simplistically apologetic for Kanye West...the fact that he IS black does not mean that he can say for sure what Bush's stance on black people is. That's claiming authority simply by saying you've got authority." you've said the same thing, but remained engaged in the discussion, and opened yourself to learning something.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

there's bush's public/media stance, then there's what he really believes. so even "saying for sure" is thorny.

born-again christians in the old corral (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Calling someone else "politically correct" as a way of pointing out misleading, euphemistic language can be used to your own advantage, since it takes the focus off your own euphemisms. Referring to civilian casualties as "collateral damage" isn't PC per se (in the identity-politics meaning of PC), but the trope is the same.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Friday, 30 December 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

DUD since Day 1.

The phrase 'politically incorrect' is and always has been reverse-PC for 'obnoxious, attention-seeking and rude'.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Friday, 30 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

you know another expression that gets on my tits? "social engineering". is that a new zealand thing or does it get thrown around in other countries too (particularly at election time)?

Awesome is as Awesome does (lucylurex), Sunday, 1 January 2006 01:17 (twenty years ago)

I love it when people precede their idiotic-to-evil statements with "It may be politically incorrect to say so, but..." because then I can say "That's not politically incorrect. That's (racist/sexist/homophobic/ignorant/whatever) horseshit." Fairly often this leaves them gaping and confused, like they didn't know liberals can be aggressively blunt, too.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 1 January 2006 01:22 (twenty years ago)

"Politically Correct" is a pathetic non-argument, as outlined above. My response is usually "what you call PC, I call good manners".

Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 1 January 2006 01:26 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (And the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

Editorial Reviews

Michelle Malkin, bestselling author and columnist
"The courageous Robert Spencer busts myths and tells truths about jihadists that no one else will tell."

Ibn Warraq, author
"A clarion call for the defense of the West before it is too late."

Walid Phares, terror analyst
"An enormous amount of well-researched material. Throws the ball back into the camp of Arabist historians."

Bat Ye’or, historian
"Assails, with much erudition, the taboos imposed by the Politically Correct League."

Bruce Thornton, historian
"A much-needed antidote to the poisonous propaganda that compromises our current battle against jihadist murder."

About the Author
Robert Spencer is an Adjunct Fellow with the Free Congress Foundation and a board member of the Christian Islamic Forum. He writes frequently on Islam in a wide variety of publications and is the author of Onward Muslim Soldiers and Islam Unveiled. He has been studying Islam for more than twenty years.

I'll say the cover is pretty choice.

For more lolz, see The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science and The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

and Slate's bit on the American History book, which mirrors points made above:

The book's title gives a clue to its agenda. For some time now the term "politically correct" has been used to delegitimize any left-of-center position, even those that aren't very far left or particularly outrageous. (See, for example, this letter to the editor, published last July in the San Antonio Express-News: "The media exploded into politically correct hysteria over the truly minor 'torture' in Abu Ghraib.") Conservatives happily brand themselves "politically incorrect" when they resurrect justifiably discredited ideas—or, à la Bill Maher, when they merely want to appear fearlessly honest. Thus, Woods boasts of his book's "political incorrectness," hoping to claim the high ground of truth-telling and pre-emptively tag any criticism as ideologically based.

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

politically correct=a bunch of upper middle class white people calling each other racists, sexists, and homophobes.

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:25 (twenty years ago)

so, shookout, you would eagerly describe yourself as "politically incorrect" then?

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

"Assails, with much erudition, the taboos imposed by the Politically Correct League."

I swear I thought this said

"Assholes, with much erudition, the taboos imposed by the Politically Correct League."

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:27 (twenty years ago)

& btw pc was awesome during the brief window when people actually described themselves as "politically correct" & meant by it "damn right I believe that treating people decently is non-negotiable"

that was only about a two week period tho

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

I still can't get over this cover:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/089526031X.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Just not interested in language control, which is what it's mostly about.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

& btw pc was awesome during the brief window when people actually described themselves as "politically correct" & meant by it "damn right I believe that treating people decently is non-negotiable"

Knee-jerk use of p.c. as a dismissal of anything progressive is bad but sincere use of 'politically correct' (which I haven't heard since sometime in the mid-80's) was worse. It showed the lingering influence of the whole 'commisar' attitude that did a lot of damage to the Left in the 50's and 60's.

Klothide, Friday, 20 January 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)

point taken, but I have a soft spot for the high ground represented by the term as it was then used: for lefties arguing that some of their positions were simple decency and that to argue otherwise was wrong

really that was a winning political strategy: it's worked for the right for nearly a decade now!

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:49 (twenty years ago)

wow, four of those science myths aren't held by "Science" and most christians did at one point believe the world was flat.

Sym Sym (sym), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah, check the other two for similar bits.

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)

wait, did anyone really ever use politically correct in the affirmative? anyone got a citation? my understanding of the term was that it was a soviet phrase that was adopted mockingly by conservatives to describe the "oppressive" liberal order being imposed on campuses, etc. i was in college in the late '80s and early '90s and i'm pretty sure i never heard any liberals talk earnestly about being politically correct.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:49 (twenty years ago)

did anyone really ever use politically correct in the affirmative?

Not really "affirmative," but when I started hearing it around 1987 it was being used by progressives and leftists as a bit of mild self-mockery. It was adopted by conservatives joyfully and pretty much immediately, of course, but I think it began among liberals themselves.

xero (xero), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

i first heard about it in the early 90's when Newsweek had a "THOUGHT POLICE" cover story.

it included some comic strip involving a character pedantically correcting another character's language, as i recall...

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

Most people used to think the earth was flat, so I'm guessing a fair few Christians were caught up in that.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 20 January 2006 08:41 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/glennbeck.jpg

Following up what was said previously about douchebags prefacing any racist/stupid/bullshit thing they're about to say with "lemme be politically incorrect here," we have CNN Headline News douche Glenn Beck openly saying to the first Muslim congressman-to-be:

...May we have five minutes here where we're just politically incorrect and I play the cards face up on the table?

[...]

With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let's cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)


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