Introduced me to the fearful concept of Rodeo Clowns...

I think it's a magnificent programme - probably a tad better than The Simpsons, but with the caveat that The S is is more long-running and has stood test of time / continual success etc better than almost anything (?).

Episodes of KOTH stay hilarious on repeated viewings. Only other 90s prog to do this so well = Match of the Day?

Much more to be said.

Pinefox, I am well aware that this is not new. But I am back in a house with a television, and reruns of this program are now conveniently right after the Simpsons and before Seinfeld = I watch a lot of KOTH, catching up on years of being too busy to catch it at normal times.

i agree with pinefox yet again

PrOgOpO7yp$3

(not in ten thousand years-ah)

King Of The Hill is, in my opinion, still as strong today as it was years ago! I am constantly in awe of newer episodes that are near flawless. dialogue, performances, plot, teh funny, etc. from beginning, middle, to end. do people forget about how good it is? is it taken for granted? should i just use the word "underrated" and be done with it. i'm guessing there is a mike judge thread somewhere where people talk about the show after 2002 on ILX.

"My name is Mr. Big..."

i just explained all the jokes you will ever see on king of the hill, there is no need to watch it now

And all that's between is Dale saying "Boy, this is a funny situation. Wonder how you're going to get out of it, Hank?" and Boomhauer talks really fast.

Search: The Propaniacs.

The start of that one episode where Bobby points to the sky at a barbecue and says, "Look, it's ashes!" when it turns out to be snow, and everyone wrecks their car pulling out of the parking lot... that was pretty close to the bone, I tells you.

Revival prompted in part by Wikiquote browsing and finding this exchange:

Dale: "So it turns out I'm not the actual Dale Gribble, but a clone of him. The original Dale Gribble is a super-warrior from the year 2087. The second me, i.e. I, was created to help the first me fight the invading Mongol armies."

Hank: "Dale, that's asinine, and here's four reasons why. First, you're not gonna clone a super-warrior out of a guy who can't even win a thumb-wrestling match. Two, you've spent your life swearing that the robots will eliminate the clones by the year 2010, so which is it, robots or clones? Three, you've already said you sympathize with the invading Mongolians of 2087, so you'd be the last one they'd send to fight them. And four, if you were from the future, you would have seen this coming." (Punches Dale in the arm)

Wow. I remember when it debuted when I was in college, and we'd all see who could run to the TV fast enough to turn it off after The Simpsons was over.

Wow. This comes after the recasting of the late Johnny Hardwick (who played Dale, among others). I guess Hardwick had also recorded a few episodes for the revival, so now there will be two posthumous voices ...

jesus that’s horrible :(

A statement from Joss's husband, posted on Joss's facebook:

Statement from Tristan Kern de Gonzales
Husband of Jonathan Joss

My husband Jonathan Joss and I were involved in a shooting while checking the mail at the site of our former home. That home was burned down after over two years of threats from people in the area who repeatedly told us they would set it on fire. We reported these threats to law enforcement multiple times and nothing was done.

Throughout that time we were harassed regularly by individuals who made it clear they did not accept our relationship. Much of the harassment was openly homophobic.

When we returned to the site to check our mail we discovered the skull of one of our dogs and its harness placed in clear view. This caused both of us severe emotional distress. We began yelling and crying in response to the pain of what we saw.

While we were doing this a man approached us. He started yelling violent homophobic slurs at us. He then raised a gun from his lap and fired.

Jonathan and I had no weapons. We were not threatening anyone. We were grieving. We were standing side by side. When the man fired Jonathan pushed me out of the way. He saved my life.

Jonathan is my husband. He gave me more love in our time together than most people ever get. We were newlyweds. We picked Valentines Day. We were in the process of looking for a trailer and planning our future.

He was murdered by someone who could not stand the sight of two men loving each other.

I was with him when he passed. I told him how much he was loved.

To everyone who supported him, his fans, his friends, know that he valued you deeply. He saw you as family.

My focus now is on protecting Jonathan’s legacy and honoring the life we built together.

If your concern is how someone coped with trauma or how loudly they speak when recounting injustice and being ignored by authorities then you never truly cared about my husband.

Jonathan saved my life. I will carry that forward. I will protect what he built.

- Tristan Kern de Gonzales

Christ that's chilling

holy fuck

fucking hell

utterly horrifying

and the police are saying it's not a hate crime. really fucking great start to pride month

Local news has more details:

A neighbor of Joss' mentioned that the actor had an ongoing feud with several people in the neighborhood, and said moments before Joss was shot, she saw him outside visibly upset.

“We passed by him, and we saw him. He was a little loud. I don’t know who he was talking to in the vehicle, but he was waving his hands.”

The neighbor said, "The two of them had been repeatedly harassed because they were gay and their home was burned down after years of threats from neighbors."

Joss’ neighbor said she didn’t think anything of him being irate, because he had been acting erratically over the past several months.

“He was a little quirky. Mr. Redcorn (sic) did some things out of the ordinary that many people may see as not being normal. If we were driving by his home, he would come out into the street and literally try to stop you. He would yell. I don’t know if he felt in his mind that, that area was his and no one had the right to go through it.”

Additionally, a man who saw Joss at the ATX TV Festival in Austin just this past Friday recalled that the actor said something that took everyone at the festival by surprise.

"Yo, my house was burned down. I'm from San Antonio. My house burned down because I'm gay," the man recalled Joss saying.

There are days when I, as an American of a certain age, find it weird and regrettable that I have never even set foot in the state of Texas. Today isn't one of those days.

It's both a giant state and easy to avoid. A real shame, because there is so much to offer there. Music, food, nature ...

Just sickening :-(

Quite a few of my close friends have moved to Texas in the last five years, much to my surprise, and all independently of each other. For the most part they've moved to the Austin area, but a few are around Dallas, San Antonio and Houston, and while I understand the lower cost of living and taxes are nothing to sneeze at when they're all raising new families (i.e. have much more living costs to bear than they did a decade ago) I've never felt the urge to relocate there due to the politics alone. Make no mistake, Austin is a great place to visit, I wouldn't mind living there for, say, a year if it was for work, but no way would I ever lay down roots in that state. God knows how things will continue to develop in the long run, and a cultural oasis like Austin is still beholden to the state's draconian laws. I know they've had their share of difficulties stemming from this, but I don't get the sense they're thinking of leaving and I'm not going to shit on their life decision so I've never asked them "why Texas." I have no idea how they do it, but it does remind me that there are people in Texas who want it to change - not just new residents but many who've called it home for a long time - and I hope that comes soon.

I like Austin still gets called "a cultural oasis" by out-of-towners when at this point you can get the same experience in San Antonio, DFW or Houston.

I might have been interested in the Austin of 30 years ago. The only city I could ever imagine moving to in TX is San Antonio

xp Don't you get much more of it in Austin though? Maybe even to a fault - a friend of mine (originally from Dallas) showed me around the city and I remember he and someone else talked a lot about how much of it changed due to the rise of tourism, all stemming from things like the growth in festivals in Austin.

My understanding is the biggest change has been due to the influx of tech.

XP

Not really? It hasn't dissolved to nothing or anything like that, but with the rising costs of living and all that comes along with it, a lot of what made Austin special simply can't exist there any more. Whatever that hasn't escaped to the immediate surrounding areas has taken root in adapted forms in many of the other big cities I named (not to mention loads of small towns all over).

"Keep Austin Weird" went from "Weird-Cool" to "Weird-Ick" when Rogan & Musk came to town.

My understanding is the biggest change has been due to the influx of tech.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:03 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bingo, same bland millennial gray gentrification, tho it does still get good concerts

ppl come to tx from the coasts bc they can sell their house and buy one here cash (or, lacking that, take a high wage job and buy a mcmansion in one of the sprawling new housing developments in the outer rings burbs)

I plan to lib-gentrify Fort Wayne, Indiana, houses are still vaguely affordable and I could put together a heist crew to rob Sweetwater Music HQ one day.

If you’re a high culture person Houston has one of the leading American opera companies and the Menil Collection, Dallas has an upper-tier symphony and art museum, and Fort Worth has the Van Cliburn Competition (watch it live on YouTube this week!). I think the university-town Austin of the Butthole Surfers is long gone.

Fort Worth has the Modern and Kimbell, the Dallas Museum of Art is wack in comparison.

Oops, yeah

there's a lot of cool shit in Texas, shame I will never experience any of it until they change their draconian culture

FWIW, the reason why the NYPL has their Lou Reed collection is that it was supposed to go to the Harry Ransom Center at the University of Texas at Austin, but Laurie Anderson was so infuriated by a newly-passed "gun rights" law that she decided not to move forward with the donation. A shame, but much to my benefit - even when the subway ride is long, I take consolation that it's cheaper/easier than a plane ride.

shit i wish i hadn't read the details about this above (from joss's husband on fb), the dog stuff especially. a content warning or hidden text would have been nice.

otm

our local pride center is hosting a vigil for him downtown on sunday evening

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKc-xAnxYP5/

thank u to m bison and map for the last four posts

lol Google AI

Laurie Anderson is a multi-talented American artist known for her work in music, performance, and visual arts. She is also known for her work with Lou Reed and her relationship with him. She is currently known as the Cline Visiting Professor at UT-Austin. Laurie Anderson is also a real estate agent in Texas, according to U.S. News Real Estate. Laurie Anderson is a Senior Minister at Midway Hills Christian Church in Dallas, Texas. Laurie Anderson is also a Vice President of International Programs with Alliance Abroad Group in Austin, Texas. Additionally, Laurie Anderson is a broker with Alliance Real Estate in Keller, TX.

(I had to Google the Reed archives thing, which I'd misremembered as being about Abortion rights)

Go Laurie go

I'm tempted to put up a fake blog with blatantly false information just to further distort Google AI's findings. Maybe a history on how she found god at a Dylan concert in 1979 and how she became Texas's biggest real estate mogul.

thread's gone a little off the rails

More details about Joss's relationship with his neighbors (including the guy who killed him):
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jonathan-joss-killing-police-records-neighbor-dispute-rcna210670

Worth noting that the police have found "no evidence" that it was a hate crime and were unable to determine the cause of the fire. Not to say we should implicitly believe the cops, but based on the other reporting here, it seems like the story was complicated.

I think when someone gets taunted with their dead pet and called a slur by the person who shot them, it’s not a stretch to call it a hate crime regardless of whatever previous conflict occurred

or in less polite terms stfu

You're right, sorry

Yeah I mean...among many other things right now I'd be thinking a civil suit against the police is on the table.

watching the new season and its actually pretty good? first episode was weird because it had to stuff so much into 30 minutes but after that it hits a good rhythm, it matches the tone and humor of the show while changing pretty much everything about it. they seem to have put a lot of thought into what these characters would actually be like after a long period of time, I love for instance with Joseph how you get to see the effect of being raised by a guy like Dale

on the negative side I don't like the way the new animation looks and some of the voices sound off, I love Pam Aldon but they probably should've gotten someone else to do adult Bobby. that said they replaced Khan's voice actor and he comes off like a new character entirely, so I dunno. maybe highlights how difficult it really is for a show like this to do a time skip, in fact this may be the only time I've seen that concept kinda work

I saw a couple of the new episodes, and they were OK, but I was really thrown off by the number of gags that made it seem like Hank had been in a coma for 20 years, or frozen in ice or something, and not in Saudi Arabia or, you know, any other place with technology. "Craft beer? The only crafts I know are made out of wood!" "300 channels of the TV? What happened to three channels, static and an American flag at the end of the night, that's TV to me." I just made those up, but lots of jokes like that.

They diminish after a few episodes. There are some allusions to the fact that Hank's media consumption has been cable news, and I thought they did a decent job of having him accept or even embrace some change by the time they get to the end of the season.

i heard the same thing, i.e. that there are a couple bumps when the new season starts out, along these lines, but that it clears up and gets better

still haven't been motivated to check this out but i assume i will at some point

Anyone know a good list of 'classic' episodes or would want to compile one now?

The episode with Hank's half-brother might be the largest evolution in Hank's character the series has

Bill is MVP of the series, followed closely by Joseph. Found Connie a bit wearing by the end.

yep the season gets better as it goes on, the last two episodes are as good as anything in the series I think. and they're implicitly about Andrew Tate and cryptocurrency

Joseph was definitely my favorite of the grown up kids, feel like they absolutely nailed what he was gonna turn out like