UK Watercooler Conversation 5: TOmorrow Sometimes Knows

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Happy New Year!

Hi all! I figured a new thread for 2006 would be the way forward - I assume you're all back to work today? I am, it's rubbish - I think it'll take a day or two to get back into the swing of things.

Did Santa bring you what you wanted, or did you wake up christmas mornign covered in coal? Or did you WANT coal for christmas?

And how was your new year - did you have a good one? Quiet gathering at my place for new year - we chilled out, played Mario kart, then at midnight watched the mad fireworks from London on the telly while sipping cheap fizzy wine.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

Typo in the title - terrific. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

back to 22,000 unread emails... feeling sleepy...

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

right now I'm glad I came in work last week, as it's pretty much as I left it from Friday, ie quiet and not busy.

spent my christmas in nyc, it was marvellous. a truly excellent city. i want to go back sometime this year as there was so much i never got around to doing and i want to do it all while its all so fresh in my mind.

happy new year too!

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

MArio Kart is the best thing in the world ever. Christmas was good - New Years was not - one of my uncles eloped to Scotland to get married to somebody he's known for about two months and let's just say that both of them like a drink or sixteen (plus, I think it's bad form to disappear to get married without telling your children). Then my sister got all upset because her 2006 is going to suck as much as 2005 (she has an incurable condition which leaves her arm feeling like it's got red-hot knives poking into it. All the time. Fuck Intelligent Design in the eye).

But! We're happier now, and I'm back at work, hiding in the office on my first day as The Guy In Charge (eeek!). I haven't actually seen anybody today, so I might get away with fiddling with Active Directory Perl scripts all day if I'm lucky...

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hello all, I'm back at work now! What a wonderful and relaxing two weeks I had off, and now I am counting down the hours until I get all wound up again. I've barely glanced at my inbox, ooh, errr.

My newest discovery is... the Streatham Lidl! What on EARTH is that shop about? It is either terrifying or the best thing ever. I've got weird Greek herbal toothpaste and sicilian lemon juice and a map of Europe for £2.49 and SAINT CLAIR port which I had to have, even though I don't like port, just for its name. Ooh, and a big book of Steam Engines (Captain Anderson would sooo disapprove).

My New Year was great - the transport strike provided me with a convenient excuse NOT TO DO A BLOODY THING, so I stayed in my lovely new flat (with my orange table and my fuchsia cushions) and made a giant curry (Saag Paneer actually works really well with Sprussels Brouts instead of spinach), drank my Tio Nico sherry and watched ALL SIX HOURS of To The Ends Of The Earth. My mania for Captain Anderson is very much restored, oh joy. On New Year's Day, I wrote 10,000 words more of my story. Oh yes.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, what sort of Steam Engines is it a Big Book of?

My New Year was rubbish - I was asleep in bed with an awful cold. Which, of course, disappears as soon as it's time to come back to work.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

(but, Kate, you'll be pleased to hear that I've finally started reading To The Ends Of The Earth, about three months after buying a copy.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

It is the AA Big Book of Steam Engines, which actually proposes working steam engine routes which you can go and visit and ride on! Hurrah! But this needs a new thread, which I will start now.

I am glad to hear you finished TTEOTE. I speed-read most of it again over the past week, trying to fact-check bits for my ha-HEM story.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

Only started, not finished. I am up to Chapter ? in Rites Of Passage, I think.

(for people who have not read the book: yes, I know where I am: it really does have a Chapter ?)

A ha-HEM story? You're not writing Captain Anderson slashfic, are you?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I misread. Blimey, get with it, Forest! I think it does indeed have a chapter ? and a chapter X - it has lots of chapters but Talbot cannot be bothered to number all of them.

And no, it is not slash. It is just a continuation of the story. I was so desperate to know what happened to the Captain after he left Sidney Cove and returned to England, that I ended up having to write it myself.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors

Ha ha ha why haven't I thought of this pun myself?? :D

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

I am becoming obsessed with Lidl.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

i live right next to a lidl, I hate it. the vacuum cleaner i bought from there broke within a few months.

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

They built a new lidl near us just before christmas. Presumably connected with it was the new traffic light they pout just outside it, that I didn't notice & went through on red between xmas & new year argh.

I haven't been in. We are loyal to Aldi.

(x-post a vacuum cleaner writes - they always do break within a few months, or most usually just out of warranty)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I would most certainly not get a hoover at Lidl! I'm not even sure I trust the food for eating. But the book was great, as was my map of Europe (I'm not sure how accurate it is, but all of the names of all of the cities are in their native tongue, which is a bit confusing.)

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Well hello guys & gals!

Lidl is just awful!

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

No it's not, it's bizarrely great.

How does it work? Is it bin ends and rejects and buyouts of stuff that has gone bad, like Crazy Eddie? Or is it just bizarre European brands that I've never seen before becuase I've not been to Greece.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to break the lidl love in, but they seem a nasty crew to me:

The super-low prices of Europe’s answer to Wal-Mart come at a cost: the rights, wages and dignity of the company’s workforce. . . .

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/KYE/x-kye-Mar2005.htm

(I wouldn't shop there cos I can only imagine the rubbish that goes into things from there, but some of you lefty-types might want to know stuff like this.)

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

JB, it was you who alerted me to its very existence!

(Or, actually, maybe that was Ed and Rob.)

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

actually they do great bargains on sea fishing lures and tackle combo boxes. shame i stopped fishing two years ago mind.

i've never had the food myself but my sister says its dreadful.

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't tempted by the food AT. ALL. Unless it was stuff they couldn't ruin, like honey and nuts and things in tins. Their coleslaw gave me TEH PH34R!!!

MMM, nummy sag paneer for lunch today, leftovers from New Years. Except I ran out of Sag so I used Sprussels Brouts instead, and they are v. v. v. nummy.

Apparently the MD hates the smell of curry, but you know what? I hate the smell of cigar smoke, so we're even. Hah!

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I can't imagine why anyone would dislike the smell of curry. Aparently our house always smells of curry from me and my cooking.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

God, I want sherry.

This is the first day in weeks I haven't had any and I'm really craving it.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! Happy new year.

I've been reading my past 3 weeks' emails all morning and I still haven't finished. Came back to work to a new boss, which is interesting. He's only in part time. Apart from that, hardly seems like I've had a holiday at all.

How's everyone? I can't be bothered reading old threads to find out, so what's news?

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Beanz, glad you're back!

How far back do you want us to go with the new, though? I mean, you know I've bought a house and Pink is having a baby, right? ;-)

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Hey I wasn't away that long. Um... I dunno, I 'll pick it up I guess :)

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think much happened over the past two weeks, to be honest. Or, at least, well, I wasn't here for them either. Would you like a glass of sherry?

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yes I would, very much.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

I've got Harveys Bristol Creme Sherry and Tio Nico dry sherry waiting for me at home.

::drools::

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I've got sod all waiting for me as I'm on my January diet. I reckon if I can keep it up properly it needn't last longer than 6 weeks.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

::shrieks with horror::

NEVER SAY DIET!!!

Ok, I'm trying to avoid obvious things like chocolate because the were a fright yesterday, but I hate the very idea of dieting.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, why can I find pages of interweb about what Regency ladies wore under their gowns, but next to nothing about what Regency gents wore under their Unmentionables? It just isn't fair. Sigh.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think Kate's got the right idea - the "No Cakes, Chocolate or Pie Diet" (copyright Johnny B) seems to work remarkably well for a lot of people. xpost

BECAUSE REGENCY GENTS DIDN'T WEAR ANYTHING OMGLOL!!!1111!!ROFFLE

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it works for you BECAUSE YOU ARE NATURALLY HOLLOW LEGGED AND BEANPOLED!!! However, I've just accepted that I'm plump and given up.

Actually, you are wrong! Drawers were invented during the Regency Period! So hah! However, because Captain Anderson was an old fashioned type (as evidenced by the fact that he wore his hair long, rather than in the short style, and because his uniform was somewhat out of date) he probably WENT COMMANDO!!!

Though I suspect he'd be cold, down by Antarctica...

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently i should be putting on a pound a week! It's so hard to get out of the !freaking out about my weight! mindset!

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Pink, it's the best excuse in the world. Indulge all your cravings.

Except the sherry, of course.

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, there's a scene in TTEOTE where Captain Anderson drinks a glass of sherry, and I think that is just about my idea of perfect heaven right now... mmmmmm...

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I started off doing that Kate, know I'm slightly concerned about how much weight I will gain! I will try to take a picture of my growing belly!

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I should start another thead for this, but I can't be bothered:

Mentally ill to be sent to short breaks in hotels on the NHS, according the Guardian

Hurrah! yes! This is the best idea, ever! Make mine the Dorchester, please!

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Cool! I'll have a week in New York please :)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

liek, hi n stuf

snowkitten (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

morning

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Morning. I'm going to the world cup in June! England v Paraguay in Frankfurt.

[This isn't a post about sport, in case Kate objects, it's a post about Travel.]

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

My housemate's going to the world cup in June (in his ambulance, for those who are aware of such things). There's him and 3 mates going (I wasn't invited, sob) and according to routemaster it'll cost £640 travel assuming that England reach the finals - which divided by 4 is an awful lot cheaper than flying+accomodation.

Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea how I'm going to afford it.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Grrrrrr....

Except I don't feel like growling this morning, because I'm in too good a mood. So instead I'll have Captain Anderson shout at you:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/JaredHarrisPhotoGallery/TV%20Series/The%20Ends%20of%20the%20Earth/bvgold02.jpg
"BY CHRIST!!! NO FOOTBALL ON THE QUARTERDECK OR I'LL HAVE YOU ALL FLOGGED AT THE GRATING IF I CHOOSE, SIR, OR PUT IN IRONS IF I CHOOSE, SIR, SOD YOU, YOU SODDING BY-BLOWS!!!"

The Lidl Shop Of Horrors (kate), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

TRAVEL NOT FOOTBALL TRAVEL TRAVEL TRAVEL TRAVEL TRAVEL so ner.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/JaredHarrisPhotoGallery/TV%20Series/The%20Ends%20of%20the%20Earth/bvgold02.jpg

DO YOU NOT KNOW THE POWERS OF A CAPTAIN UPON HIS OWN THREAD?!?!??! IF I SAY IT'S FOOTBALL, IT'S FOOTBALL, BY CHRIST, YOU IGNORANT FOOL, DO YOU THINK A CAPTAIN OF THE LINE KNOWS NOT TRAVEL WHEN HE HEARS IT? STUFF AND NONSENSE, I SAY, SIR, STUFF AND NONSENSE!!!

Captain Anderson's Infamous Roar (kate), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

Happy new year everyone! I had an extra day off because the university likes to stay closed as long as humanly possible, woo.

My new year was the most dismal yet I think - I was at the in-laws, Matt fell asleep at 10pm to the badly hidden dismay of his mother, then I got violently ill all of a sudden and spent midnight throwing up. Lovely.

Moving on Saturday!

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Also, ILX is not the place to try out one's new assertive techniques. I try saying "When people do X, I feel like Y" and now my name is being dragged over that damn thread saying that I'm threatening to beat people up for the crime of admitting that certain things make me extremely angry.

(Sorry, that has nothing to do with anything, but this is annoying me.)

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

When did you say you'd beat anyone up? The thread's moving too fast for me to be keeping up with it, but I'm pretty sure you never threatened anyone. Fuck 'em Kate, just ignore it.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Never mind. :-(

I'm really wound up and angry and tense and everything, and it's really hard to separate that from the emotions that the subject produces in me.

When your stress levels are low, little bothers you. When your stress levels are high, everything bothers you.

Anyway, was that "bedroom" bigger than my closet? I bet someone could sleep in there. When I sell my flat, I'll say that it's a two bedroom and see if I get any takers. There's electricity in there, too!

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Which closet was that? Next to your bedroom? I didn't see that!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't that you that was joking about getting locked in it? Or am I getting confused now? Argh!

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember saying anything like that, but I don't remember a lot.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Kate, I'm "by far the worst bully" on ILE, if that helps you feel any better.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

No you're not, Mark. I've never read an argument involving you where you didn't actually sit down, if called on ad hominem behaviour, and explain exactly what it was that triggered it/pissed you off.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

There are work drinks for someone's leaving doo tonight. How little do I feel like doing that? How short an appearance can I put in without seeming rude?

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Just lie and say you already have something you need to attend.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

0 mins. If you feel rubbish and you don't want to go out, don't. Just say bye and good luck to them personally instead.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, thanks for saying that, especially since some of them were directed at you. I'm glad you see it that way, and I wish Ally would - I've had a dozen conversations with her where she's just got increasingly vicious without taking in a word I've said. I should have learned my lesson by now.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've already decided not to go to the other thing that I was going to do - i.e. the Sloan gig.

I do like the bloke who's leaving, I'm just not sure I can deal with going to a pub in my current state of mind. Sigh. I mean, he's gone to the pub already. I guess I'll just go down and say goodbye and good luck and stuff, but not hang around for a drink.

And Mark, in that situation, I don't know what's going on, but if people are going through phases where they're not being quite rational (and yeah, I go through those phases myself) then it's best just to stay out of their way.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think you did well in that thread, Mark. I also think you did well by getting out of that thread, Kate :) I think it went well by the standards of Balkanized ILE, but that's like saying the crash in Lost went well after the nose of the plane hit the ground. There's just this fundamental lack of good faith between those who can't understand why people can't Get Over It, and those who can't understand why people can't understand etc... 150 post later, it settles down nicely.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

ILE strife makes me sad :(.

Fucking February. How can one month be so short and yet so annoying? This morning: huge cold sore that appeared overnight, and a packed bus that has only a few spaces left. One of these spaces is right next to the girl I have a crush on. Do I sit next to her, possibly introduce myself, and try and strike up a conversation? Or do I practically jump out of my skin when I realise that I might have to sit next to her, trip up and fall into a different seat glowing red with embarrassment?

I am starting to remember why crushing is No Good...

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning!
February is a real pain. Not really a proper month, just something you have to endure to get to spring

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

fuck you, my birthday's in february.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

white rabbit white rabbit white rabbit!

I am starting to remember why crushing is No Good...

aw man :( i'll swap you, i could do with a good crush. there's a little bit of sweetness lingering from last year's arse-over-tit all-consuming megapash, but nothing's gonna happen there i guess, so... and i seem to not be seeing this luke person any more, which is a Good Thing, i thought it was gonna be v difficult but he was v calm about it and said he saw it coming anyway.

also last night i saw the wal-mart-is-evil film at limehouse town hall (for free! courtesy of these brilliant people www.spacehijackers.org) and omg they are total evil irredeemable cunts.

and also the prince charles is showing a streetcar named desire on saturday at 1pm £3 for members £4 for non-members in aid of amnesty. anyone fancy it? i have never seen it.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Then you're lucky you've got something to sustain you through the otherwise dark days, g

Emsk, Streetcar Named Desire is so so so good. Tell us about walmart!

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! Focussing my sadness into rage against evil megacorps is probably a good idea - should I vandalise the nearest ASDA on my way home?

(I must confess that I occasionally shop in Wal-Mart when I'm in America, but they're all rather depressing places, with shoddy lighting and a rather downtrodden feeling - and that's before thinking about their business practices. In contrast, Target shops seem much warmer and friendlier..)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Carson, what did you do on the bus? Normally I'd encourage the bold approach but huge cold sores can be off-putting, especially during a first meeting, so maybe it wasn't the way forward.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

I was in a really good mood this morning until a rude little shit ruined it all. I hate it when people are pissed off with you about something (in this case I didn't let him use the staff water cooler and I didn't know where the nearest water fountain was - CRIME!) and they don't have the nerve to have a go at you but instead walk away muttering and grumbling about you under their breath but perfectly audibly. Just because I'm behind a desk, that does not mean I'm an automaton who is invisible/deaf/impervious when it suits you. Passive aggressive twats. Also, how hard is it to bring a bottle of water out with you?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

Well, not much more than I said - I looked around the bus for somewhere to sit, almost fell over when I realised her seat was one of the few available, and to try and save my shame (and because I'd be highly flustered if I had sat next to her after that), I awkwardly scrambled into one of the other free ones. And cursed myself all the way into Oxford ;)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

urgh, urgh, urgh. they'll spend £70,000 on flying some highups the company jet out to any of their stores in an "emergency situatuion" - ie when it looks like one of their managers is going native and wanting to not make his/her (more likely his though) workers work a shitload of unpaid overtime so the highups can tell that manager they're not responsible for the store any more - rather than, like, spend the £70,000 on paying the workers adequate wages. there was a black woman who'd been working for them for years and expressed interest in training programmes to get her above worker-drone level - and she was bright, articulate, seemed capable and hard-working, not to mention misguidedly LOYAL to the fuckers, and her superior said "there's no room for someone like you at management level" so she was shocked and gathered herself enough to say "what, because i'm a woman or because i'm black?" and he said "two out of two ain't bad!" (and yes, that is company policy (not the flip comment, the restriction of women and non-whites progressing up the ranks)) they encourage their workers to get on as many state-funded housing/medical/food stamp programmes as poss so they don't have to pay them a living wage. they'll have up to 200 (maybe more, i dunno, they specifically mentioned this one store that had 200) security guys inside one of their stores to stop shoplifters and zero in their car parks to stop muggings, stabbings, rapes, shootings etc, despite them having done studies showing if they have just a few security guys driving around in golf carts it'll reduce it to zero or near-zero (they showed this massive list of bad shit that's happened in wal-mart car parks and it went on forever, then they said all that was just in the first seven months of 2005...) they have security cameras on the roof but no one watching it live - it's to catch people they think may be trying to form a union - and i don't even need to get into that, you can guess what they do there. they'll move into a town, close all the other stores down by undercutting them then decide to move that store to a different location where they'll get better tax breaks or something (i didn't catch that bit, it was a bit echoey) leaving this huge building that no one else can fill and nowhere for anyone to do their shopping except this new wal-mart that's the same wal-mart just a longer journey away. they've got accomplices in this one (which just baffles me, wtf are these people doing giving them money?) but they get huge grants from state/town funding bodies for opening stores which takes that funding away from education/health etc. they don't give a shit about poisoning water supplies and land - this woman who was a riverwarden noticed all these big sacks of pesticide etc piled up in their car parks at a store near a creek that joined the river she was in charge of, and plenty of them were split so every time it rained all this stuff ran into the creek and the river, and that was where the town's water came from. she tried to get in touch with them and was ignored for ages, then passed from pillar to post, then finally got to speak to the guy who said he was in charge of it but that he'd just started the job and had been training for two weeks and didn't know anything about it so she went to the local tv and press and they did stories about it, so that afternoon (they had plenty former employees, some highup-ish, spilling beans everywhere, one of them in particular was pretty heart-breaking, like he couldn't BELIEVE all this crap he'd put people through, he wasn't even trying toi justif it, he was just broken) wal-marts got a call from central office telling them to cover any stuff like that they had lying around up with plastic so no one could see it (rather than, you know, get it somewhere safe). there's a wal-mart worker emergency charity fund thing which workers can pay into to help out other wal-mart workers in crises and in 2004 wal-mart employees paid $5million into it. the walton family which owns wal-mart is worth $102billion (am i remembering that wrong? is that possible? likely? such huge sums of money just start to lose all meaning to me past a certain point, they might as well have said they were worth spforrity-three pillion clandicks, but i think i got the number right) and in 2004 they gave $6000 altogether to charity (they compared that to bill gates giving away 58% of his cash). and believe, you don't even want to know about their factories in china. ugh, ugh, ugh.

i mean, i know many big chains have just as huge a moral deficit (and prob plenty of small ones if they had the chance), but none are as mighty as wal-mart. and it did a really good job of explaining all the knock-on effects that you - or i, anyway - don't even think of.

i DON'T UNDERSTAND why they'll spend such huge amounts on pr exercises and looking good and pretending they're so good to their workers and they care about families and it's a great employment opportunity and whatever, rather than just doing things properly and not having to spend all this money on damage limitation because it would all just be true and it would speak for itself. surely it would cost about
the same? and even if it didn't, when you've got $18.2billion in the bank, what does ten thousand dollars here or there matter to you? what is the POINT of $18.2billion?

my bro and dad are getting all their stuff from asda because that's what they've got near them. i've tried arguing it with them but there genuinely isn't a decent corner shop or greengrocer (which is FUCKING STUPID since they live in the middle of the countryside) or even other supermarket for miles and miles around :( even the asda's like a 15 minute drive away.


some x-posts. archel, why didn't you let him use the staff one? is it cos he was rude to start with?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

holy fuck that was a long post. but thanks for asking me and making me write it all down, bc this is exactly the kind of stuff i always want to remember but always forget the details of, i just retain a kind of simmering impotent indignant rage, which is no use to anyone.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

That was very interesting, emsk. Thanks for writing it down!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I'm going to go back and read that when I'm feeling less depressed and pissed off at the world. Already the book I'm reading is crystalising a lot of my hatred with the modern world... but yeah.

Actually, I like February. Its brevity is a real relief after the relentless pounding that is January.

I went home early last night (stopped by the pub for five minutes and said goodbye) and ate soup and watched Dune. Which was the right thing to do. I cannot BELIEVE that as a child, I missed the whole Spice = Oil metaphor. I thought it was something mystical. It's the kind of film that's mindblowing when you're 14 but seems a bit of a letdown when you're my age. But still, it was fun.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit Emsk. You know they're big and unpleasant and don't treat their workers well, and then the list of unpleasant things gets longer and longer until it's barely conceivable

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Kate! I have sorted out the Boris thing for you!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

What's f*cked about WalMart is that if you live in a small American town, there's pretty much nowhere else to shop. That's pretty much all there is in Bennington, where my mum lives. A WalMart, some giant supermarkets, and the overpriced tacky tourist shops.

Argh, it's all too depressing.

Oh, and the bullying thread got "out of hand"? Quelle surprise. Why is it that a thread about bullying is just an excuse for all the bullies of ILX to come out of the closet and say "I reacted to being bullied by BECOMING A BIGGER BULLY so get over it, wimp" if you don't want to act the same way.

God, I'm depressed now. I'm going to go and do some work. One of reports seems to have got lost. Argh.

x-post YAY!!! Hurrah for Boris.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, thanks for that info emsk. Horrific :(

oh and back to my comparitively petty workplace problem! - he asked for cups and I said we didn't have any because it was technically for staff but if he wanted to bring his own cup or fill a bottle I wouldn't mind. I was quite nice!

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

I will email you to sort it out proper. I am completely your Boris pimp lately (xpost)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

Certain subjects seem to bring out the worst in interweb fora everywhere, I think.

Boris J is surely the inexplicable kate crush to end all inexplicable kate crushes!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

I never could see the attraction of Dune, even at 14. i remember my dad loving it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

it was really SAD. it started with this old dude who'd built up his hardware store from nothing somewhere in ohio and been running it for 43 years - FORTY-THREE YEARS, ok, a lifetime's work - sold tools and whatnot to three generations of the same families, taught them how to use them and how to do plumbing and whatever, been proud to have something to hand down to his son. wal-mart comes in, within a few months they're gone, BAM. forty-three years, just like that. nothing. and then there's footage from the wal-mart annual backslapping corporate jolly, and interviews with former employees, and - hengh, actually, you know what it's like? you know that bit in one of the douglas adams books, the one about krikkit, where he's describing exactly what kind of deathly and exactly what kind of cold and exactly what kind of hatred it is that the krikkiters have for the rest of the universe? it's like that; this mechanical, dry, dead, unstoppable march, that just goes on and on relentlessly. i will dig it out and post it if anyone's interested. but now i'm going for a shower.

xpost yeah kate i know there's nowhere else :( it's happening over here too, that's exactly my bro and dad's problem... and plenty of people have no choice other than to work at a place like that, either, as well as shop. you don't wanna be exploited like this? fine, fuck off, there's another sucker right behind you desperate for work and ready to take your place. i suspect asda employees are slightly better off than wal-mart ones in that it's harder to suppress stuff like unions here (tho that might just be wishful thinking on my part, i got that idea from somewhere but don't know for sure). certainly the wal-mart employees in wal-mart germany were horrified by what their american counterparts suffered, bc the germans were already unionised and had proper rights and shit, and they couldn't just come in and bust it all down.

argh. the world is ending.

arch that sounds reasonable enough!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

The more I read of Boris' book, the more I realise what a total *ideological* Tory he is, and the full extent of his Tory bastardness. It's like reading my brother's articles (but without the mad paranoiac ramblings). But then again, maybe that's the appeal.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Talking of corporate rubbishness, does anyone know if there's a way I can stop receiving weekly spam text messages from fucking Gatecrasher (I'm on Virgin and I assume it's down to them but maybe not?)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

wow, emsk, that's even worse than the stuff I knew about! I know in the town that I visit in America (Carrboro, in North Carolina), Wal-Mart is making noises about setting up a new superstore nearby, but the town leadership is having none of it (it's populated by students and hippies, so Wal-Mart may have picked the wrong battle to fight there!)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Asda says its employees are all free to join unions although (suspiciously?) less than 10% do.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

> does anyone know if there's a way I can stop receiving weekly spam text messages from fucking Gatecrasher

replying with STOP is meant to stop all these things (although some places claim it can take a week before it works)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeh, at the end there were some rays of hope, people getting together and persuading whoever's responsible for giving them planning permission or whatever to not give it.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

fuck you, my birthday's in february.

Mine too - Saturday.

Work = hell.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

You doing anything for your birthday? Apart from not baking a cake?

I'm all for February. Short month, same pay. Rock.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think so really. I can't be arsed, and it's not like I have friends that I can't count on the thumbs of one hand.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Argh. I just made the mistake of reading the rest of that Bullying thread. Not something that you should do when you're already feeling depressed. :-(

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

(nearby, I mean. I have plenty of friends who live hundreds of miles away. Well, a few)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

There's something about ILX that turns people who might normally be mostly reasonable and/or decent people into UTTER RAVING COCKS (and yes, I count myself in that) that is really depressing.

The Late Fear And The Potato Fear (kate), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

i'm going to the pub for my birthday. shocking, eh? also, i am going to see Belle & Seb a couple of days before.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

make sure you get there early to see BRAKES!

is it time for a new thread? this one's getting rather heavy.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

UK Watercooler Conversation Six: The Private Psychedelic Reel

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)


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