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I saw a special on my movie channel a couple of days ago and got thoroughly depressed. :( It was about a Rock Band "The Sex Pistols." Those poor kids! I have never watched anything as disgusting in my life! I had never seen them before, but had read the name.I managed to sit through it tho'! :( I do feel bad at where they had to come from and wish them luck. I hope they are doing better today.

― Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

er.... yeah. which film was it?

― DV, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was a documentary of that group. It was just played on the movie station.

― Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Post of the year (already).

― stevo, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Am I the only one getting really paranoid?

― Ronan Fitzgerald, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sit back down, Ronan, I can't see you in the camera.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So paranoid I used my full name. hmm.

― Ronan, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, everyone knows why the (north London-based) Brazen Hussies are set to turn the music world on its ear!

― dave q, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, some reviewin' fool said "they've got a sometimes-successful ear for off-kilter rock music" -- wonder who that was.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"say something filthy"

― geoff, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I reckon the film you saw was The Filth & The Fury, which is G*R*A*T*E.

I don't feel that sorry for the Sex Pistols. Obviously Sid died, which was unfortunate, but I think the rest all live in big houses in LA, so that can't be bad. unless money doesn't buy them happiness.

Gale, if you are interested in the Sex Pistols as a social phenomenon (without necessarily ever wanting to hear their music) try reading "England's Dreaming" by Jon Savage.

― DV, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Filth and the Fury is sooooo sad when sid's being interviewed and keeps on nodding out, poor old sid, bless 'im, although i like the way most of the main protagonists are shot in silhouette when being interviewed (and the fact it's got no maclaren in it (this is what my memory says anyway, there may be a bit of him, but not much).

What I do find sad is that they are intending to re- release god save the queen this summer for the golden jubilee, pah.

― CarsmileSteve, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The reasons I detested The Filth and the Fury are on this thread.

― mark s, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I really thought that this group, who was being interviewed on T.V could have been lessblunt with their language,,,, Even just to set an example for younger people who might have been watching!( Ef. This & ef that does nothing for me at all.) I have 2 cousins and a nephew that have been into heavy rock music and never spoke like that. My nephew wrote a song for a movie that is out now ... There is no nicer or milder person on earth. What makes the folks in England/Ireland so different? It seems people over there just don't care about themselves or anyone else. This is very sad to me :(

― Gale Deslongchamps, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i t hink it's the queen - my willie says she's a very nasty piece of work. plus they're all prodestants over there.

― geoff, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ph3aR my Pr0t35taNt w0Rk EtH1C!

― DG, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes some say we're more beast than man over here god love us.

― Ronan, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You know Gale's question has really got to me:

1: I am arguably the most unapologetic Sex Pistols obsessive on the board (yes I love em AND yes I hate em and yes I cd certainly talk abt em forever)
2: I am the fourth-oldest regular on the board (after Gale, Frank K and nickn) so by now *ought* to have somewhat grown out of swearing, k-blimey-o
3: Explaining the SPs (good bitz *and* bad bitz) to someone who has experienced the ugly side of life when young but has (by choice) had Rock Culture as a whole somewhat pass them by seems to me a totally FT project (FT is Freaky Trigger, Gale, the on-line music magazine linked to ILE).
4: [insert other reasons here]

― mark s, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am arguably the most unapologetic Sex Pistols obsessive on the board

Open obsessive. I'm a bit of the closet case thanks to the...eight? ten?...albums I own and refuse to part with. Hurrah for Dave Goodman and his tape archive, and hurrah for those weird-ass fake tunes like "Schools are Prisons" and "Revolution in the Classroom."

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Of course, the *real* fans aren't buying it" (McLaren re 'Anarchy')

― mark s, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, he'd rather they just send him the money.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gale - Note from a fellow Canadian - they just have a different way of speaking here. North Americans developed a very simple way of expressing themselves because in a sparsely populated environment directness was necessary for survival. That's why the region's speech is seldom multilayered, almost never ironic, and mainly sarcastic only when the tone is so hostile that there's no danger of the 'real' message being obscured. ("Talk is cheap" is an American proverb, the equivalent you won't find in the UK). In the UK, words have much less currency in themselves and far more is importance is granted to the context, the speaker, etc., which can make speech seem peculiar, confrontational and cryptic to outsiders to a degree which is ironically exaggerated by a seeming familiarity induced by having a common tongue. Think of the N. American English and UK English like the US dollar and Canadian dollar, they have the same 'names' but their relationship to each other fluctuates and is not especially close, either.

― dave q, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're right, the English and the Irish are different. Lucky we still have the Scots and the Welsh to stand up for decency.

― Ally C, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's really quite strange to me that places like England Where they have gorgeous accents and use such proper English, that many would lower themselves where I used to be... ( back woods and who gives two hoots how you talk.)I for one am happy to be out of there! I hope you folks can pull yourselves up by your bootstraps as well. You might be surprized how easy it really is to do. Good luck!

― Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I speak nicely, but I'd wager the Sex Pistols are better off than me. Except perhaps Sid.

― DG, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha ha! DG can't afford a pair of leather pants! There goes the gig with Ian Astbury!

― dave q, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What hell Maggie Thatcher doing on this board?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't afford a pair of leather trousers. Not that I'd want to buy some anyway.

― DG, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Those comments on American/English english and irony don't map to the 'reality' I learnt regarding this period of rock history - ie that The Sex Pistols were co-opting New York irony. And in fact, that by attempting to plaster politics over the top of it (as McLaren did with the NY Dolls) the English were adding a serious dimension that kind of didn't work.

― charles, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Ducky, I've just realised that since a very early age the reason "Well I thought this was the UK" has always stuck out at me was cuz it's te wrst lyric eva. Any thoughts? (Isn't it tenuously close to patriotism? God save the queen - we mean it man indeed)

― Graham, Wednesday, 16 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always thought it was saying "Come on, the empire's gone, this isn't a special country anymore."

― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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