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Great. I can already see the NRO pieces -- "SEE! WE FOUGHT BECAUSE OF THIS!" (Now if Iraq's in a civil war by then...)

That said, what captures my interest from the cast list is the fact that a presumably key role is played by Sledge Hammer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

With David Rasche and David Basche! There's something to this numerology thing.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:58 (twenty years ago)

You know him as Sledge Hammer, but I'll always think of him as the bad cop in that priceless Tom Selleck prison movie.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:05 (twenty years ago)

Eeesh, I couldn't watch this. Too depressing.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:59 (twenty years ago)

Defend the indefensible: capitalism

At least they didn't use 'let's roll' in the trailer.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

Capitalism? It doesn't seem that specific. Seems like it's about chauvinism.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:48 (twenty years ago)

I take that back. Even that's a little lazy. But like Ned said, it seems like a prime invitation to chauvinism.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:50 (twenty years ago)

wow, so this is about how the F-16 was scrambled and shot it down and then the cover-up story was fabricated right?

― HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:06 (twenty years ago)

isn't david rasche some weird republican?

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:07 (twenty years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 58,400 for flight 93 alien cover-up. (0.18 seconds)

― HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

It's the sole "victory" story from that day (and this includes the current war), so predictably enough...
The major problem seems to be the way that the *interior* events of 9/11 (on the planes, in the buildings) are vastly unknown, save for rough details from transmitters / cell phones. By creating these, the film-makers will inevitably influence the public's mental image of not just what violence and resistence looks like, but how it feels. This is part of any historic recreation I guess, but it seems particularly problematic at the moment, given that mental pictures (and its traumatic effects) in terms of current day-to-day terrorism are so far from being apprehended...this feels like a horribly artificial attempt at plaing bounds on the topic.

― paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

I was referring to the rather disturbing use of Flight 93 for profit, Kenan.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

No way will this be as good as Snakes on a Plane.

― Excelsior Syndrum (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist...but I hope you know there weren't really snakes on that plane, despite what THEY tell you.

― [tuvan throat singer's profound lyric sheet-must read again] (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/159/snakesonaplanepubc8vb.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 8 January 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

"You've got to listen to me... There were snakes on three other planes today as well!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 8 January 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

There were snakes on flight 93? So it was not the heroic work of the passangers that stopped the baddies with their cry of "let's roll!". Snakes cause wriggly fury?

― Green Olive Face (hanle y 3000), Sunday, 8 January 2006 08:15 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

ugh - I saw the trailer for this yesterday. How is this the subject for a film? "We was hijacked. We've got to do something. Let's get 'em." Film over.

― Dave eye (dave225.3), Monday, 10 April 2006 10:50 (twenty years ago)

sometimes when the kids at my school are dawdling in the hallways I hurry them up by yelling "c'mon, make like Flight 93 and "Let's Roll!".

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Monday, 10 April 2006 11:01 (twenty years ago)

I saw the trailer this weekend: the film's written and directed by Paul Greengrass.. We'll see.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 April 2006 12:26 (twenty years ago)

ie Let's see if the film reflects what the black box told: That the passengers never entered the cockpit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 April 2006 12:45 (twenty years ago)

SPOILER: F-16'S FIRE MISSILES INTO TEH FLIGHT 93

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

you know, i'm usually all about the poli-sci flicks but can't muster any interest in this at ALL.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:05 (twenty years ago)

actually, if mr. sledgehammer IS really in this i may have to see it

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Neil Young should be forced to be in the film.

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

A reality snuff film?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

ie Let's see if the film reflects what the black box told: That the passengers never entered the cockpit.

Just curious about your source for this Dr Morbius--I watched a Discovery channel show a while ago about flight 93, "The Flight that Fought Back" or something, which strongly suggested that they did, although they didn't play the actual recording. I wouldn't put it past that show to deceive me though, I remember distrusting other aspects of it.

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

'i want these motherfucking arabs off this motherfucking plane!!'

― ++++++, Monday, 10 April 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I hung out at the frat Jeremy Glick was a member of throughout most of 2000-2002. :x

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Saudis on a Plane preserves the acronym.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:15 (twenty years ago)

A reality snuff film?

If that's a response to my Neil Young comment, then no... that's a bit harsh even for me. But I am having trouble deciding which is worse: the Neil Young song or this trailer...

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

In the UK this film is being sponsored by The Sun, somehow. So that puts it up there with Revolver.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

1.) Taxman on a Plane
2.) Elenor Rigby on a Plane
3.) I'm Only Sleeping on a Plane
4.) Love You to on a Plane
5.) Here, There and Everywhere on a Plane
6.) Yellow Plane
7.) She Said She Said "Let's Roll"
8.) Good Day Sunshine on a Plane
9.) And Your Bird Can Sing on a Plane
10.) Let's Roll For No One
11.) Doctor Robert on a Plane
12.) I Want to Tell You "Let's Roll"
13.) Got to Get You Into My Cockpit
14.) Tomorrow Never Knows

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)

I've seen similar stuff a few diff places, but at the moment all I can find is Wikipedia:

"What happened afterward is uncertain but the black box recordings revealed that, contrary to popular belief, the passengers were never able to enter the cockpit. ...

The hijackers themselves appear to have all retreated into the cockpit prior to the charge, and they can be heard praying, reassuring themselves, and discussing on separate occasions, in Arabic, whether to use a fire axe in the cockpit on those outside or to cut off the oxygen to quell the charge. Jarrah said "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" Another hijacker replied "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off." Jarrah later said "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" to which another hijacker replied "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down." then later "Pull it down! Pull it down!"

The 9/11 Commission found from the recordings that, contrary to what many have believed, the passengers did not succeed in entering the cockpit before the plane crashed. The 9/11 Commission ruled that the actions of the passengers prevented the destruction of the Capitol building or the White House by causing the hijackers to abort the attack on their intended target."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

http://images-partners.google.com/images?q=tbn:zu6LbYVwfQ6-_M:press.comedycentral.com/images/press/gallery/h/primetimeglick/CSClose-UpwithFunnyFace.jpg
No Arabs No Cred

― Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

I saw the trailer for Flight 93 on Countdown with Keith Olberman recently. As I watched it, my whole body tensed up and my face burned hot with anger. What is the fucking point? Using United Flight 93 *for profit* seems so incredibly wrong and unnecessary--especially when not all that much is known about what actually took place on that plane before it crashed in Pennsylvania. All the fill-in-the-blanks work inevitably involved in the making of this movie disgusts me. :(

― Mama Roux (Mama Roux), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

OTMFM, Paul. I agree completely.

― Mama Roux (Mama Roux), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

i agree this looks dumb & jingoistic but the idea that the events of 9/11 are somehow unfilmable in their horror is idiotic - nobody really protests the glut of movies about the holocaust, vietnam, the civil war, slavery, cambodia, serial killers, etc etc etc

― ++++++++, Monday, 10 April 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

oh man, the actors who portray the terrorists... they better be making lots of money off this. i dunno if i'd want my face to be forever associated with 9/11 hijackers...

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

well, not that anyone can tell the difference between those arab people anyways

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

I think all of the terrorists are actually going to be played by Deep Roy via slick computer-based editing.

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

hopefully they will be all played by jean reno using split screen technology

― +++++++++++++++++++, Monday, 10 April 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah god forbid artists influence the way people think about historical events!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

uh that was my point slocki - i dont think treating 9/11 as some unique event nobody can ever fictionalize is really conducive to moving past our fetal-position-under-the-table/psycho-revenge-killer national policy on it

― +-+++-+, Monday, 10 April 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

i know, i was supporting your point!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

http://images.zap2it.com/20050415/01_crash.jpg

i hope they got that guy from 'crash'

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

hopefully they will be all played by jean reno

Actually, Mujibur Rahman and Sirajul Islam would be kinda genius.

"Pull it down! Pull it down!"

― martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Will this movie burn as hot and as long as Oliver Stone's?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

haha sorry slocki everybodys been misinterpreting me today :-/

― ++-+-+-+, Monday, 10 April 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1181637-1,00.html

Greengrass cast people close to their roles. J.J. Johnson, who plays the captain of Flight 93, is a real United pilot. Trish Gates, who plays head flight attendant Sandy Bradshaw, was a real United flight attendant. Ben Sliney, who as national operations manager for the FAA kept track of the mounting atrocities, appears as himself. Lewis Alsamari, who plays one of the hijackers, spent a year in the Iraqi army.

― -+-+-+--++, Monday, 10 April 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

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Those questions are rhetorically OTM.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Well, the catharsis is simple and rigorously formal: these bad men assumed control of an airplane by force, killed the pilot, co-pilot and a stewardess, and -- as the passengers discover -- plan to turn the plane towards Washington DC; therefore they must die.

I have a lot of problems with intent, but then again, intentions have never troubled me before. Since I wasn't as devastasted by the events of 9-11, revolted immediately by the patriotic banalities offered by the GOP and Democrats, maybe I was more susceptible to Greengrass' brand of non-manipulation.

I'm still assessing my own responses.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:20 (twenty years ago)

i figure it's mostly a formal puzzle that he wanted to solve, and the 9/11 aspect provides it with a patina of importance that, uh, "flightplan" couldn't assume.

Images in motion are unextractable from the historical event just as they are unextractable from the process of human memory or imagination. Certainly Greengrass was engaged with the formal puzzle aspect because any real filmmaker should be, but that doesn't make the experiment somehow inherently anti-humanistic much less inherently meaningless.

Though it has qualities of precision and effectively manipulates the emotions of the audience, no one whose seen it would identify the film as a cold technicians piece; nobody feels auteurist disconnection from the humans in the story. The banal conversation and idiosyncratic behavior details performed by the actors, and supposedly improvised on-set, might actually serve to connect the audience more closely with the humans in the story than any screenwriter's dialogue has in recent memory. Also, the humanizing details in the terrorist characters portrayel made vividly unignorable might serve to wake someone up to the severe complexities of the "war on terrorism" not addressed in the news media that they choose to watch.

Form essentially IS content in the sense that how you frame any shot (and how long the editor lets that shot last) says something about what you're shooting in some way/in many ways. Overall what's being communicated by the filmmakers is The Experience. I think this approach has the potential to reverberate much more than a "here's what I'm doing this very very important and serious film" thesis statement woven into its text ever could.

― theodore (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:51 (twenty years ago)

I have "proofed" this film. I found it disturbing and unpleasant, but others described it as "high-octane". I was only reading it though, that might be the difference.

It is nothing like The Battle of Algiers.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:55 (twenty years ago)

as anthony points out i think the filmmakers are proud of the alleged lack of politics in the film, the lack of a point of view, the lack of contextualizing, etc. but what does that leave us with? just a formal problem, really, no more. nothing edifying about the film, nothing instructional, nothing cathartic in any meaningful sense. just an unusually sober (macho by film-school standards) action movie.

doesn't it give us the distilled essence of drama? in 'executive decision' it's not enough to have just the plane and the bad guys: it also has to have the white house sit room and dissension in the nsc etc etc, they can't just have a battle of wills, there has to be some 'wider meaning'. i think the film (ok, haven't seen but...) would be *more* offensive if it tried to 'contextualize' the attack. imagine stone in 'jfk' mode doing the film.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:03 (twenty years ago)

maybe a more offensive film would be better!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:09 (twenty years ago)

If Greengrass really just wanted to deal with attack uncontextualized, he would have fictionalized it.

― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:17 (twenty years ago)

flight 94!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:40 (twenty years ago)

he has fictionalized it, though.

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

i don't think it counts as a fictionalization in the sense that zwan means.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:44 (twenty years ago)

stone in jfk mode >>>> all other movies

― +-++-++, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

look daddy-o, bush is in with the saudis, ya dig? this cat is dirtier than a crawdad in swampwater!

― -+-+-++-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

youre as crazy as your momma!!

― -+-++-+--+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

seriously, i'd rather watch donald sutherland spin conspiracy theories on washington park bench for 90 minutes than this.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

'the aviation fuel in the starboard tank -- where'd that come from?'

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blogwashington.com/Pentagon-9-11.jpg
back, and to the left.... back, and to the left....

― -+--+-+++-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/archives/images/richard-clarke.jpg
i could give you a false name, but i wont. just call me "x"

― -+-+-+-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

http://i.today.reuters.com/misc/genImage.aspx?uri=2006-04-03T195229Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_2_NEWS-SECURITY-MOUSSAOUI-COL.jpg
i didnt think much about it at the time... just bullshit, y'know. everybody likes to make themselves out to be something more than they are, 'specially in the al qaeda underworld.

― -+-++-+++-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:56 (twenty years ago)

haha there was gonnna be a pic of moussaoui up there but its pretty clear im only amusing myself now

― -++-+-+-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

seriously, i'd rather watch donald sutherland spin conspiracy theories on washington park bench for 90 minutes than this

http://www.jfk-online.com/sutherland.jpg

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

woah what a coincidence!!!

― -+-+-++-+, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

"seriously, i'd rather watch donald sutherland spin conspiracy theories on washington park bench for 90 minutes than [any other movie]"

fixed

― +-++--++-++, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/november30/gifs/powell.jpg
i am going to go home, and cook some etouffee

― -++-+-++-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

"seriously, i'd rather watch donald sutherland spin conspiracy theories on washington park bench for 90 minutes than [any other movie]"

fixed

thanks!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:18 (twenty years ago)

― -++-+-++-++-, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:32 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki w/teh rofflez

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

(I actually like JFK A LOT)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

in a lot of ways it is kind of the most watchable movie ever.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I like movies where every other scene is a monologue by someone making a hammy cameo

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

HAMEO

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

its like a really self-important cannonball run

― -+-++-++, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

stone in jfk mode >>>> all other movies

have you forgotten Weeping Vet Cruise? "Penis, penis, BIG FAT FUCKING PENIS!"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

man I can't watch that crap. altho when you quote it it sounds funny.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I like movies where every other scene is a monologue by someone making a hammy cameo

omg that is so true – except in the case of Judgment at Nuremberg.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

never watched that one - can't stand courtroom dramas (much like sports films)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Shakey Mo Collier: hates courtroom dramas (that's all I know)

― -++-+-+---, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I like movies where every other scene is a monologue by someone making a hammy cameo

Time Machine Theater: U93 with the It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World cast on board.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I SAID LET'S ROLL!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

goddammit.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Good fucking god. That was brutal. That was really, really brutal. I did not need that. It made me scared, it made me cry for about an hour, and it made me white hot with rage. Scared because this could happen any day of the week, sad because of the loss of lives, and rageful because... well, I think that if the movie has anything to recommend it, it's the rageful part. Many people in the movie keep saying, "Where's the military? Where's the Vice President? Where's the fucking President?" This is given extra weight because many of those people are playing themselves, and given even more weight because we know where the President was -- he was sitting around looking blank for seven minutes in front of a kindergarten class. Seven minutes could not have saved this plane, but the point this movie drives home, more than anything, is that everyone involved here, on the plane and on the groud, was urgently, urgently BUSY, filled with anxiety, filled with activity, and our Government was just... absent. Shades of Katrina, etc. The movie does not have to reach for this point, it just makes it kind of by default. It's both a blunt instrument and an elegant weapon.

Um... not for the squeamish, but very, very well done.

― Man Man (kenan), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)

Since I wasn't as devastasted by the events of 9-11, revolted immediately by the patriotic banalities offered by the GOP and Democrats

this statement offends me a lot more than someone making a movie about 9/11.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 04:19 (twenty years ago)

A Thread about the film JFK

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 04:57 (twenty years ago)

One of the trailers I saw before this movie was a remake of "All the King's Men" with Sean Penn as Willy Stark. The snatches of Penn's "look at me hammin' it in my noleans accent" performance reminded me of the aspects "JFK" that are apparently still giving some of you the giggles.

Penn's performance as this eccentric incoherent politician that all the other characters talk of in grave heroic turns seemed way at odds with the stately tone and sweeping music of the trailer, which was full on bordering on "for your consideration" self parody. Perhaps this post belonged in the thread that already exists the film I've just described. Oh well.

― theodore (herbert hebert), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Everything I've read about this movie makes it sound exactly like Elephant, just with 9/11 instead of Columbine.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 6 May 2006 05:42 (twenty years ago)

I have noticed a distinct paucity of reference-checking on Bela Tarr.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 May 2006 05:46 (twenty years ago)

Seven minutes could not have saved this plane,

Seven minutes more on the ground could have -- had the government been involved earlier and known what was going on with the hijacked flights, perhaps 93 could have been recalled to the ground as soon as Flight 11 hit WTC North Tower. It had only been in the air for four minutes.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Saturday, 6 May 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

U93 fell off 55% in its second weekend. So, Too $oon.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 May 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Everything I've read about this movie makes it sound exactly like Elephant, just with 9/11 instead of Columbine.

this is sort of what i was driving at above. i thought of this comparison as well. both films make me uncomfortable in ways that films very rarely do. they both seem basically exploitative to me. they both attempt to circumvent criticisms like that by being incredibly "sober" and politically noncommittal. they "don't offer answers."

the aesthetic strategies are different--"elephant" was artsy and detached, this seems to be going for a sort of faux-verite You Are There thing--and the films will gather different audiences (and i suspect "flight 93" won't play as well in france as van sant's film did, to say the least). but there's something rotten-seeming about both of them.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

― Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

I'm glad I took a shower right after watching that. Well-executed and evil.

And mighta done more biz if they'd called it Airport 2001.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

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