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Instead of just making prisions to house prisoners so they can just sit and waste money and resources we should build these works camps so they can become useful to society. Now what we do is sell the labor to US companies so they can build cheap stuff (cheaper than they can work for in china!). I know Wal-Mart would jump on this idea in a second.

Then with all the money we make from those work camps, we can put it to good uses; like paying off the US debt. Also instead of sentencing people to an x amount of years in prision, we make it a dollar amount. So if you steal 500,000 dollars worth of cars you have to make that much money to pay off what you stole. Also, we get rid of the death penalty and instead we make those people work 16 hours a day for the rest of their lives. Thats alot of money we could make off them. The work wouldn't be degrading to the prisoners either, just imagine. Each day they would get off work and be totally happy with living with the idea that they built alot of stuff to help their country and other people!

What say you?

*covers ears*

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

How is paying off US debt a "good use"? 95% of the world's population laugh at your debt! A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! A HA HA HA ha ha ha ha!

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

two words: slavery

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

The work wouldn't be degrading to the prisoners either, just imagine. Each day they would get off work and be totally happy with living with the idea that they built alot of stuff to help their country and other people!

OK seriously petlover. You seem to suffer from the "criminals are other people than us" sickness. The correct viewpoint is not "they who are evil", it is "I if I happen to do something evil", y'see?

Oops i know i know i'm ftt.

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:17 (twenty years ago)

"Made in the USA by convicted rapists"

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:23 (twenty years ago)

It's very progressive.

― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:25 (twenty years ago)

"OK seriously petlover. You seem to suffer from the "criminals are other people than us" sickness. The correct viewpoint is not "they who are evil", it is "I if I happen to do something evil", y'see?"

Holy shit...they are in prison because they are harm to the people, they are instituted within the prison system because they are criminals whom often more than once proved to be blasted rapers, molesters, kidnappers, and murderers and more severally "unforgiveable" actions. this has nothng to do with evil. they should be praying to God for how thankful they are that the only thing that gets ripped open is their shitholes.

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:26 (twenty years ago)

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― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)

petlover, you do realize that people go to prison for reasons other than physically hurting others, right?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)

yes, and I'm talking about those who do physically hurt others.

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:44 (twenty years ago)

one word: involuntary servitude

― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

we all agree on taking away prisoners freedom for a limited time.

thus i don't see any moral problems with forcing them work. losing your freedom is "worse" than being forced to work(yes, i realize they overlap but you get what I'm saying...)

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:03 (twenty years ago)

"we all agree on taking away prisoners freedom for a limited time"

and until death

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:04 (twenty years ago)

But prisoners do work! Didn't anyone see that on Michael Moore's TV show.

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:08 (twenty years ago)

what kind of jobs?

so is that slavery?

― petlover, Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:15 (twenty years ago)

I think your ideas are noble, petlover. If we could use the dregs of society to better society, then why not? But it would never work because you could never trust John Wayne Gacy with stuffing Teddy Bears. No one would want to buy the stuff that was made by violent criminals. And no one would want to support exploiting the labor of the non-violent ones that could have been any one of us in different circumstances.

Mostly, though, I just wouldn't want to buy a pair of socks made by a rapist.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

here's an example

Petlover, do you research anything?

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Great idea. Then we'll be on our way to the final solution, won't we?

― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Sunday, 8 January 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

someone needs to look up the coal creek war

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 8 January 2006 05:40 (twenty years ago)

petlover, there is one tiny problem with profiting from involuntary convict labor. To wit: if you give society a self-interested motive to keep people in prison, then you give them a motive to increase the number of people in prison and to increase the length of time they are deprived of their freedom.

Once you introduce interests and motives for imprisonment other than justice or the protection of society from harm, then you open up the possibility of people being imprisoned for unjust reasons in order to profit from their labor - and that there is slavery, pure and simple. Think Gulags and concentration camps.

There is nothing about the USA that makes us magically any more moral or less greedy than the Russians or Germans or Chinese. Once you put money on the line, the motivation for doing anything will drift more and more toward what the money favors. That's not just my opinion. History proves this over and over again.

― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:20 (twenty years ago)

does this look like it's not serious to anyone besides me? the alarm bells went off with "works camps" and were louder by "*covers ears*".

― Maria (Maria), Sunday, 8 January 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

you don't want to do this because there's enough unemployment already without criminals now also stealing your jobs as well as immigrants

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

innit

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

The aim of the prison abolition movement is to eliminate prisons, jails, immigration detention centers, and prisoner of war camps by alternatives which they argue are more useful and more humane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_abolition_movement

Notebook of a Prison Abolitionist
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=41&ItemID=3831

― S. (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 8 January 2006 10:35 (twenty years ago)

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