Living in a seperate home from your partner C/D?

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Prompted by a contestant on a t.v quiz who had been with her partner for twenty years yet they lived next door to each other.

How wonderful! I'd love to be able to afford this! Obviously when kids come along it would change a lot, but before or after kids, wow!

I think I'd consider this when my children grow up and move out - move my husband into the house next door, and have him visit to take me out, come for tea, do my garden.

I think this could work for a lot of people given enough money.

ding! (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

My uncle does this.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:24 (twenty years ago)

As far as I know, Matthew Kelly and his wife have never lived together. This was thought to give some credibility to the accusations that surrounded him, at one time.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

My girlfriend and I have been together for coming up for seven years and we live apart - about 10 minutes walk from each other. We have no intention of living together, and are very happy.

No arguments about trivial stuff, such as how messy she is and how uptight I am, and we only see each other when we want to and are on good form. When we rather fancy the idea of living together, I go to her place and we pretend to live together - one cooks, the other washes up, all that harmonius stuff - then I go home again. It's great.

Maddie (Madeleine), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I am increasinly liking the idea of different flats in the same block, different houses in the same street type of thing.

That would be, erm, if I had a partner.

I simply like living alone too much to let someone else disturb it.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

was this thread started by A Troll Who Knows Too Much?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

given enough money.

sadly, this is key. but only, i guess, if you both want to live alone, and not flatshare.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Comments like that mystify me. Why would one be willing to make compromises to live in a flatshare that one would not be willing to make to live with a partner?

Surely, one should be *more* willing to compromise to live with a partner, since, not only would one presumably love said partner, but also, one gets more benefits than one would from non-partnered housemates?

Living with *anyone* requires compromise. Why should it be somehow different with a partner?

But I shall stop there, as my New Years resolution was not to air mine own relationship discontents on ILX.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

oh boy.

Living with *anyone* requires compromise. Why should it be somehow different with a partner?

allow me to explain.

compromise on lifestyle quirks is inevitable, whether flatsharing or cohabiting: the chances are, your beloved won't put up with nail clippings in the kitchen sink, or whatever other awful habit, with any more enthusiasm than your flatmates.

however, cohabiting necessitates an often *vast* compromise in terms of available floor/storage space, cost of bills, privacy/personal space etc.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I know a lot of divorced couples who live down the street (or hall) from each other for the convenience of their children. They seem fine as friends but just couldn't live together as married people. Not quite sure how this fits into the question, though.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

your beloved won't put up with nail clippings in the kitchen sink

i'm a bit baffled as to how/why this would actually happen.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

The answer is clear - get a two bedroom flat.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

That's what I do.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Except mine's an "apartment".

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

we have a three bedroom house but there are still many arguments about cleanliness/organization. and loud music!

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

And changing toilet roll, finishing the toothpaste, putting empty cartons back in the fridge, using all the hot water....

Yeah - seperate houses are the only option!

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

The answer is clear - get a two bedroom flat.

B-b-but that's even more expensive than a one-bedroom flat, Kate! sorry to state the obvious...

your beloved won't put up with nail clippings in the kitchen sink

i'm a bit baffled as to how/why this would actually happen.

-- Sororah T Massacre

I just made up (I stress: MADE UP) a horrible domestic habit to suit my point. Feel free to substitute it for your own unattractive peccadillo!

(I'm sure it's not impssible, if not especially pleasant, to imagine somebody cutting their fingernails over the sink...)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but that's even more expensive than a one-bedroom flat, Kate! sorry to state the obvious...

Not if you're splitting it, obviously!

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

every morning he leaves coffee grounds on the counter and I have to wipe them up. I should stop and just let a huge coffee ground mountain grow to see if he notices.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

My friend was ironing her partners trousers one evening when I was in. She turned out the pockets and nail clippings fell out. I thought she was going to club him to death with the iron...

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

i'd be happy with a little shack out back. day-bed. stereo. t.v. small beer-filled refrigerator. ah, that's living. maria & the kidz are welcome to the house.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

This is why the common garden SHED was invented, natch.

I mean, this is quite an annoying subject to me because I was kicked out of my home by a partner who couldn't learn to compromise, but there's a huge part of me that just wants to shout at males GROW UP AND LEARN TO FREAKING COMPROMISE OR GO BACK TO FLATSHARELAND LIKE THE LITTLE BOY YOU CLEARLY STILL ARE.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

...but I admit, much of that rage is directed at my ex partner, not at any ILX men in particular.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but that's even more expensive than a one-bedroom flat, Kate! sorry to state the obvious...

Not if you're splitting it, obviously!

-- Jordan

I'm obviously explaining this really badly! What I mean is, two people sharing the cost of a 2-bedroom flat is even more expensive than sharing the (already very expensive) cost of sharing a one-bedroom flat. or it is in london, anyway.

xpost haha, says the girl who is obviously so unwilling to compromise that she's bought her own place with moat, portcullis etc.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Charlie, if you were anywhere near me I'd punch you. You were not around when I was going through that whole particular hell with Joe, so fuck right off.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Here, I think splitting a two-bedroom apartment is usually less expensive than having your own one-bedroom (but obv. more than splitting a one-bedroom).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

nothing personal, kate, just joshing! i know you had a tough time of it, and i'm sorry about that, but that's not what this thread is about - although should you wish to do so, no doubt your experiences would add some depth to the discussion.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Splitting a larger place is probably worth the expensive in terms of having your own space. Especially if each of you have a bunch of junk.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

there's no question it's worth it. but concepts such as "worth" go out the window if the money isn't there in the first place!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

i live with my girlfriend, my little sister and a roommate/friend in a large house. i was kind of into the hustle and bustle for a while, but now i'm considering buying a secret place in santa barbara and telling them that i got a new job that will require me to be away for extended stays.

if there was anyway i could suggest separate living places to my girlfriend without her being sure i was trying to split us up, i would absolutely do this. it kind of seems like a recipe for distaster though, depending on how well one controls their temptations (fairly well for me, i guess, after 4 1/2 years together... but i worry myself sometimes).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I think Robert Fripp and Toyah Wilcox have been married for over 20 years but never actually lived together.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

It's nice to watch the late news together and then turn off the light and go to sleep.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

if there was anyway i could suggest separate living places to my girlfriend without her being sure i was trying to split us up, i would absolutely do this.

amen!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Miss Miz, you could still have sleep-overs! In the am you would just withdraw to your own kitchen to read the paper in peace and contemplate clean/dirty dishes that got that way through no efforts other than your own. Right now that sounds like heaven to me but then I'm determined to live alone this year.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I'd like to live on my own. I get too scared of zombies at night, and it's fine to wake up someone who's lying next to you, it's another thing to phone them and wake them up and insist they come over from next door or down the road, and then when they open the front door, how do you know they haven't been infected between there and here? No, no, cohabiting is much safer.
Also, who would put my bins out? Make my horlicks at night when I'm too tired to? Make my breakfasts in the morning?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

What monkey said. Although I *would* like my own room where each bit of mess was indubitably MINE and if I put something down it wouldn't be moved until I moved it.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Archel, I am GAGGING for it; every time I want to throttle my apartment mate for moving/using/breaking/dirtying something, I take a deep breath and promise myself a 1-bedroom before high summer. And I'd like to be clear about the fact that he's really quite useful and it's not (entirely) his fault, I'm just desperate not to SHARE.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah zombies, I forgot about those.

We each have our own room with our own computers and stuff. Mine also substitutes for the guest room while his is filled with video equipment. Maybe the fact that my room is sometimes public makes him feel he's free to comment on my un-tidyness. I just tell him not to start b/c it's my room and none of his business. (it still bothers me though)

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Mister Monkey knows better than to ever suggest I might be more tidy. I think he tried it once, to which my response was something like "stick it up your fucking arse, fucko", and that was that.

It is dawning on me that I am the difficult one to live with in my partnership, and Mister Monkey might be the one who craves separate living space. Mind you, he does have his own room with his computer and stuff in it while I have my desk in a corner of the kitchen.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

do you sleep in the same bed, generally? (if i may ask)

xpost to misery!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

My husband and I each had a house when we got married, and still do. We live at mine, keep our offices and stash guests at his. Very lucky, needless to say. But I am here to testify that your partner having their own house will not stop you from going over there and having a major freakout about the mess there.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Both houses are ridden with rot.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Laurel, my intuition tells me that you do need to move out.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Charlie, we have a master bedroom where we sleep, keep clothes etc. Although on more than one occasion, a night out with too much imbibing has found me taking my pillows and going to sleep in the guest bed.

It is dawning on me that I am the difficult one to live with in my partnership,

haha, although my partner definitely has his little annoying habits (putting wet towels in the hamper, being very loud in the morning when he gets up and I'm still in bed) I am *definitely* the hard one to live with. We even discussed this before moving in together. My chemical imbalances, mood swings and the like make me quite a treat I'm sure. But he manages, and I love him for it.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

my parents have done this for twelve years; they are still married. it might be classic except that both their houses are pig sties

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

did they live like that when you were a child?

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

This is what Woody Allan an Mia Farrow did. It worked for them!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Allen, and. Jeez.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

I sincerely hope you're being ironic, N.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

no, they didn't, which is probably just as well

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

It strikes me as painfully, painfully obvious that he is being ironic.

This seems increasingly like a brilliant idea to me.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

no, they didn't

Oh, I was lied to. By someone!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

METROPOLITAN DESK | August 14, 1992
Times Select Content Woody Allen Files Child-Custody Lawsuit

By BRUCE WEBER
Woody Allen, the prolific film maker who once confessed that "I like to spend my time with work and only a limited time with kids," filed suit yesterday against his longtime companion, Mia Farrow, for custody of their three children. Mr. Allen and Ms. Farrow, who have been a couple since 1980 but who never married or lived together, have long been objects of curiosity around New York City, for their celebrity status, their general shunning of publicity and their unusual relationship. Their separate apartments face each other across Central Park -- his on the east side, hers on the west -- and Ms. Farrow, who has been married twice (to Frank Sinatra and Andre Previn) has a total of 11 children, seven of whom are adopted.

By the New York Times!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

a recent survey, wot i read somewhere, of married women, revealed that the overriding single thing which would improve the quality of their marriages, was "separate houses".

Charlie, we have a master bedroom where we sleep, keep clothes etc. Although on more than one occasion, a night out with too much imbibing has found me taking my pillows and going to sleep in the guest bed.

So the master bedroom is what you earlier referred to as "his" room?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Mookie wasn't talking to me. Sorry, I've totally fucked up on this thread.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

N, were you asleep or something when Allen ran off with his partner's adopted daughter? I wouldn't call that "working for them".

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

his on the east side, hers on the west

go figure

miss michel legrand (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm just not "getting" anything today. Sigh.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

haha N

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Huge generalization coming, but given that women still do, like, two thirds more housework than men do regardless of whether or not the women are working outside the home I suspect a big part of what the wives in Charlie's quote are really asking for is for their husbands to live in homes that the WIVES don't have to keep clean & orderly. There's a lot more to both sides that I'm not even starting here, but make no mistake: it's a hell of a lot easier to be the Angel of a House that's ALL YOURS.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

mom's house: cleaner, messier
dad's house: dirtier, neater

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

So the master bedroom is what you earlier referred to as "his" room?

no, he has a side video business so one of our three bedrooms is filled with all of his equipment, monitors, computers. I never go in there b/c I'm afraid I'll fuck something up.

This house also has a large converted garage with carpeting and everything that we use for storage and stuff. We've been spoiled here as if we choose to buy a house in the city we won't be able to afford so much square footage. (renting now) It's looking more and more like we'll live in the country.

My ex-boyfriend (who I lived with, then broke up with and moved out, then got back together) joked we'd buy a duplex one day and grow old together each living on our seperate sides. But he was a dick so the idea is tainted for me.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

wow. our house really needs more than four rooms!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Texas is mighty big. ;)

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I am so doing this!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)


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