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He's 200 years old this year, or would be if he hadn't driven himself into an early grave through overwork.

What do ILX's engineering history geeks think of him, though? My own opinion is: overrated genius. Very good on civil engineering and naval architecture. Very good on attention to detail. Rubbish, though, at mechanical engineering, and his much-loved railway track was more successful by luck than judgement.

Isambard Kingdom Brunel: Classic or Dud, or do you just like his big top hat?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:33 (twenty years ago)

I watched some random kids history prog over new year where two druggy posh girl presenters dressed up as Brunel in a downright kinky way, then practised driving a steam train.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:39 (twenty years ago)

I love his big top hat.

And God's Wonderful Railroad... sigh.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:41 (twenty years ago)

I saw his 'likeness' (like a mannequin with clothes on, serious expression, 'put it over there' arms etc) in the Swindon railway museum.

He was quite short.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:42 (twenty years ago)

...hence why he wore that ridiculous hat.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:44 (twenty years ago)

2006 style icon:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/IKBrunelChains.jpg/387px-IKBrunelChains.jpg
It's all about the hat y'know. Them trousers look a little off.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/images/brunel_kingdom_isambard.jpg

I love this pic

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

ahh xpost!

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

I love the chains. I have always loved them.

But then again, I love really really thick rope even more, since we went to a ropemakers museum as a small child, where they made ships rope, which was THICKER THAN MY WHOLE BODY. (Note: Kate may have been smaller than she appears now.)

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)

That famous pic was taken very late in his life - the chains behind him are the launching chains for the SS Great Eastern.

How can you dress up as Brunel in a kinky way???

I will expand on my initial post in a bit, once I've eaten my sandwiches.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm not going to touch that.

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:04 (twenty years ago)

My sandwiches? I have to admit they're not great.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:04 (twenty years ago)

No, kinkily dressing in a 19th century fashion. Rowr!

Ah! The Feinbos! (kate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:05 (twenty years ago)

I watched some random kids history prog over new year where two druggy posh girl presenters dressed up as Brunel in a downright kinky way, then practised driving a steam train.

If nobody can identify this programme, my life has no meaning.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)

An expansion on my original post.

Brunel was a great civil engineer - see the Maidenhead bridge - and his rate at building things that fell down was probably better than his contemporaries (the only one I can think of was that bridge on the Wye at Chepstow). However, as a mechanical engineer he really wasn't much cop. His ships, for example, were wonderful beasts apart from the original engines. His locomotives for the GWR were all utterly terrible; at opening, the GWR only managed to run trains by hurriedly buying engines from Robert Stephenson & Company, and soon hired a Stephenson & Co engineer to build their own fleet.

His railway track - supposedly wonderful, used by the GWR for many years - was only successful by accident. The original fashion in railway engineering was to build stiff, rigid track. In line with this, Brunel set out to build as rigid a track as he could come up with, so designed track with rails continually supported on large wooden beams, firmly anchored into the ground with 8 foot piles every few metres.

Unfortunately - as people quickly realised - making your track as rigid as possible is the worst thing you can do for a line designed for steam engines. Steam engines have always had barely-adequate suspension, and on very rigid track they will shake themselves, and the track, to pieces. Moreover, Brunel's track developed dips between each pair of piles, making it even bumpier. When the piles were removed, the track was fine - and was used up until the 1920s in some places - but its design principles, although fashionable at the time, were completely wrong.

(I think there might be some Brunel-style track still in the Paddington platform roads, albeit with modern FB rail. I'm not sure why, unless it's a foundation problem. Similar continuously-supported track is often used on bridges - indeed, the rail cross-section Brunel invented for his track rapidly acquired the name "bridge rail")

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:42 (twenty years ago)

(> If nobody can identify this programme, my life has no meaning.

they were Fran and Anya doing jaunts through history and using any old excuse to dress up. channel 5, early one weekend morning, can't remember name of the show and it's no longer on. search for fran and anya turns up nothing. ah, maybe if you spell ania correctly: http://www.aniaandfran.co.uk/ and it's 'Heroes Of History')

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:02 (twenty years ago)

That's the one! It was on UKTV History though I think, the only channel that ever makes me want to own a tv.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

For one horrible moment I thought that said Fran and Anna.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

It just gets better:

Fran has written a book called "The Pineapple: King of fruits". It will be published in December 2005 and is a whopping 512 pages long.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Well, at least it's a nice round number.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:10 (twenty years ago)

... a horror incomprehensible to non-Scots (xxpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:11 (twenty years ago)

That site, though, is slightly scary.

(xpost)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Having followed the link, I can now say if I can't find a torrent then my life has no meaning.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Heroes of History (Childrens)
Time - 10:30 - 11:00 (30 minutes long)
When - Sunday 26th February on five
Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
Children's history series. Presenters Fran and Ania discover what it was really like to be the famous engineer Isambard Kingdom Brunel by learning how to drive a steam engine and visiting Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol.
(Stereo, Repeat, Subtitles)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm setting my alarm.

I saw the Henry VIII one the other week, and it was far too exciting for it's own good.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Happy 200th birthday IKB!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 9 April 2006 08:45 (twenty years ago)

My childhood hero.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 April 2006 08:53 (twenty years ago)

We should all wear Big Top Hats today.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if that 80s cartoon film of his life is available.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:05 (twenty years ago)

The Bob Godfrey one? Which was, of course, exactly what I was thinking of when I mentioned Big Top Hats

("get a big top hat if you want to get ahead! You're sure to be treated as a big success!")

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:06 (twenty years ago)

(It was actually from 1975 - http://imdb.com/title/tt0073068/ )

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:07 (twenty years ago)

won an oscar!

Ed (dali), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:15 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I didn't know that either!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 9 April 2006 09:17 (twenty years ago)


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