Are Women Just Sluts

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A friend forwarded this from a blog she reads, and I found it to be quite interesting. I have long thought basically the same thing that is embodied in this woman's article. Though, of course, I did not have all of the supportive detail that she's collected to make the same point (largely due to a lack of a sufficient number of hours in the day).

My opinion is aligned very much with what she's theorizing - women have just as much of a sex drive as men do, and, absent the constraints that soceity places on them, would otherwise enjoy sex in much the same manner that guys do. Yet, when women do it, they're labeled sluts. Some of them have managed to overcome this and don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about how they conduct our own sex lives, but that is certainly not true for the vast majority of women.

Here's the text:

"One of the main themes in a few evolutionary biology/psychology books I’ve read lately are that women are sluts. For the longest time, people believed that males had evolved to screw as many women as possible, because they will sire more offspring and their genes will spread throughout the population. Women were thought to be completely monogamous, because they had more energy invested in the child, and needed one male they could depend on to assist them with childcare. Well, research has apparently shown that this is not quite true. In animal behavior studies, birds — who for the longest time were thought to be strictly monogamous — were shown to be quite promiscuous. Apparently some scientists were overlooking the HUGE difference between the terms “monogamous” and “pair-bond”. Male and female birds pair up to raise their offspring, because one parent has to watch the nest while the other goes out to get food. In a lot of species, the male bird is the one who gets stuck watching the nest while the female bird goes out to get food. Too bad the female birds are typically out getting some tail from the stud in the next tree over — while HIS partner is out getting some from some other male, etc. Hot times in the treetops.

DNA studies performed on some birds showed that a pretty high percentage of fathers were putting time and energy into some other male’s chicks. A DNA study done on a town in Great Britain showed similar results: many men were unknowingly raising children that weren’t their own. Welcome to Cuckhold, England!

I have no trouble at all believing that human females might be sluts by nature. If women were naturally chaste, men would have had no reason to control women throughout history by various means such as genital mutilation, guarded harems, chastity belts, strict adultery laws and “honor killings”. Of course, that’s not to say that it’s okay for women to sleep around in our society. I’m also by no means saying that all (or even most) women sleep around. But those who don’t, do they refrain from cheating because they are naturally chaste, or do they refrain from cheating because society has such a harsh view of female infidelity (in which case, one might ask, why does society have such a double-standard? Well, society is run mostly by men, men are paranoid and jealous, why would they be that way if women had always been faithful?) Or do women stay faithful simply because, economically, it’s a better strategy for them and their children? Think about it: men have controlled things for thousands of years. It’s only been recently that women have been able to work and support themselves. Wouldn’t a woman have been better off in the past (and even now, depending on the circumstances) to not cheat on her husband, because if she had, he might ditch her and her children?

Of course, what about love? If you really love someone, you shouldn’t want to screw around, right? But is that really true? Maybe that particular emotion evolved purely to keep couples together long enough to raise a child, and “love” isn’t necessarily meant to be forever. Maybe “monogamy” was just something that came about for economic reasons, or it was a concept put into practice to allow men to have a “monopoly” on a certain woman, to cut down on sexual conflicts between men. After all, humans and their ancestors evolved in situations where cooperation between men was required in order to hunt and secure food. It’s kind of hard for men to cooperate when they are ready to kill each other over some pussy.

Many anthropologists have observed that in hunter-gatherer societies, couples stay together for four to five years, just enough to get the child weaned, and then they most likely move on to other partners. Some might stay together, but it’s not the norm. It’s been theorized that this is where the “seven-year itch” comes from.

But in my personal experience, when I’m in love with somebody, I have no desire whatsoever to go over to the next tree, so to speak, and get mounted by some other dude. If I do start feeling like that, it’s always been a sign that I’m not happy in the relationship, and a breakup soon follows. But that in itself could be a sign that humans are “serial monogamists”. So who the hell knows, really.

As for theories of why women would cheat in the first place?

Evolutionary theory helps explain what male rock stars know from experience: Even though a man may display no signs of being interested in a long-term relationship, there will be plenty of women who are following a sexual strategy geared toward short-term results. One reason for this is what is known as the “sexy son” hypothesis. A woman who feels there are few “investing” men available in her environment might instead attempt to mate with a man who, despite his lack of investment, possesses attractive characteristics that will be passed on to her offspring. Thus the more a man sleeps around, the more attractive he becomes, because the very fact of his success at attracting members of the opposite sex is a trait that a woman may want to pass on to her children.

… women may desire a husband who is a conservative, staid man who is willing to invest his resources in her and her children, while at the same time harboring a desire for an exciting fling with a handsome, iconoclastic movie star.

Also known as “settling”. Anybody who knows anything about evolutionary biology can see right through that one. There aren’t enough alpha males to go around, so females settle for one of the losers, because she knows he’ll invest his resources in her offspring. Meanwhile, she’s off trying to get stuck by the alpha males on the side, so she can get those good genes for her children.

Studies reveal that girls who are raised in families where there is stress between the parents — a divorce, for instance, or an abusive parent — typically reach puberty earlier and are far more promiscuous. It may be that growing up in an environment of marital discord prompts some children to view the world as a short-term mating game.

Also known as the “use ‘em and lose ‘em” strategy.

I just find the whole subject extremely interesting, and it does sort of make sense. Again, I don’t condone cheating, but just because someone comes up with an explanation for behavior doesn’t mean they are trying to rationalize it. Forensic psychologists try to figure out why people commit crimes, but they don’t use that to excuse the behavior. Same with evolutionary biologists and psychologists."

alma, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Read this thread: "Stem The Rose"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Does this mean it's okay for me to fly over people at the beach and shit on their heads?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Which beach?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

And exactly how much shit -- in ounces -- are we talking about?

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Does it matter which beach?

Dan (Pick One) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

OKAY ALFRED

alma, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

In terms of whether or not this is ok? Yes.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Forget Frey, I want to read a book about this.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

So who the hell knows, really.

yes. christ, what a tedious fucking argument this is. and has always been, ever since we first crawled out of the primordial ooze and started wondering what we could eat, drink and fuck.

hang on, i'm pretty sure i wrote something in response to some such fucking idiocy - O NOES THE BIRDS AND BEES DON'T GET MARRIED MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T EITHER - a few years back. two minutes ...

... yup, here we go. from the sunday herald magazine, february 11, 2001.


Several friends of mine recently announced they were getting married. (Not all to each other, of course. That would be illegal, not to mention silly.) Anyway, a misunderstanding with a selectively deaf colleague led to the phrase ''My mate Gordon's getting married'' being recast as ''Hey, everyone! I'm getting married!'' and it wasn't long before half the Sunday Herald staff were coming up, tongues firmly in cheeks, and asking if they could come to the party.

It was later that night that I began to think: hang on, what do a bunch of twenty to thirtysomethings find so funny about marriage? What's so bad about making a commitment? And then the next day I read David Barash's ''Monogamy? Nice try but no cigar'' (Seven Days, January 4). Laugh? I nearly proposed.

For those of you who didn't read the article, the idea was simple. Barash, a US professor of psychology, reckons unfaithfulness is in our genes. He believes this nullifies the whole concept of monogamy, citing the behaviour of wild swallows as evidence - something about female birds always chasing the biggest cock.
Because the animals do it, he shrugs, we may as well do it too.

Now I don't know about you, but I've always been quite proud of my evolutionary path. Why would anyone want to justify their behaviour as bestial? As I type, I can see my neighbour eating his tea. I quite fancy a bit. But am I going to squawk loudly, jump through the window, chin him and nick his chips? No, I'm bloody well not. Why? Because I'm not an animal, that's why. Same reason I wear clothes, go to work, communicate using a speech-based language system and use the lavatory. We're humans. We live in a human society. We're intelligent beings. Surely part of that intelligence is an understanding of what hurts other humans - cheating on them being a prime example - and surely our only basic moral code should be not to do those things?

Yes, everyone makes mistakes - but for goodness' sake, let's not glorify them. And if two people love each other and really believe they can be partners for life hey, good luck to 'em. As for David Barash - well, I'll leave it to his wife to sort him out.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

The vagina is an EATER, the penis is a FEEDER. Think about it.

Yes, they have an insatiable hunger, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

http://pbskids.org/buster/images/songs/postcards/fl_cocoabeach.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

What beaches would be improved by public shitting?

kingfish pibb Xtra (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

But in my personal experience, when I’m in love with somebody, I have no desire whatsoever to go over to the next tree, so to speak, and get mounted by some other dude. If I do start feeling like that, it’s always been a sign that I’m not happy in the relationship, and a breakup soon follows. But that in itself could be a sign that humans are “serial monogamists”.

OK, so there are so many things wrong with this article I wouldn't have time to pick all the holes. But, "I personally do something = all people are like this" is like the worst reasoning ever.

Grimly OTM.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cutty.org/beach.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Are those lips or did a man-of-war wash up on his mouth?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I've heard enough scientists in the "slutology" field in various venues that provide alcohol content for consumption, and I've found the conclusions, theorems, and corollaries to be loosely formed at best.

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

unfaithfulness is in our genes.

I blame it on eating food past its expire date.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Are those lips or did a man-of-war wash up on his mouth?

excuse me?

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

i don't even know why jaymc posted my picture is in this thread

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

-is

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

There was talk of beaches.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.joblo.com/images_dvd_reviews/dvd-beaches.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

alfred please post a picture of yourself so i can make a snarky comment about your fucking face

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

women in being sluts shockah

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

bring out the nobel prize for sociology

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh get ken c.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

fancy a shag? ;) ;)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Why do they always pick birds for this sort of thing? What is it about birds?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

they're right fit innit?

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I read the thread title as "Are Women Just Sluts" er I mean in the sense that the question was "Women: Sluts, but are they Just?" like y'know that naked lady with the scales and the blindfold bit.

Anyway completey disappointing and the answer is "panama"

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

beach?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

http://duckman.pettho.com/characters/carioca.jpg

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

that naked lady with the scales and the blindfold bit.

she's a total whore

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

This thread reminds me of my favorite joke, which ends with "You shit on my bed, I shit on your head!!!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

That's not a joke where I come from, Tracer Hand. Understand?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

You come from the land of poorly-done Mexican accents?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

How long have I known you now? 4 years? 5 years? And you're asking me that? For shame.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

It's a French guy when I tell it now, though. It still works.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

http://wright.grc.nasa.gov/source/wilburbirdman.jpg

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.vanhalenstore.com/shop/graphics/00000001/RC40B.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

And acording to some theories women may have engaged quite openly in multiple sex partners during their most fertile times and let nature sort out the strongest genes by whos sperm was the strongest thus the natural biologial atracton of the gangbang.

http://www.ulm.edu/~palmer/SpermWars.htm

lurk, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Holy socks, I must have that outfit.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

oh yes, the natural biological attraction of the gang bang! I think that was Dr. Drew's big send-off topic his last episode of Loveline before going all Discovery Health on us.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

This thread is why I love the people of ILE. By the time I'd had the chance to read the original post, everyone had already said everything I wanted to say and in a better and funnier way.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)

It seems futile to talk of what is human"Instict" anyways becasue we are thinking beings capable of choseing our behaviors, so what ever we do, its a choice, not an instinct.

Latham Green (mike), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

The vagina is an EATER, the penis is a FEEDER. Think about it.

I think I would prefer not to.

Dan (STOP BITING MY PENIS WITH YOUR VAGINA, CROTCH-TOOTHED WOMAN) Perry (Dan Per, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

eleven years pass...

*Chris Brown lyric*

sleepingbag, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:08 (nine years ago)

What beaches would be improved by public shitting?
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