Jean Genet -- classic or dud?

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Forget Miller. ;-) Having just finally read Our Lady of the Flowers and Miracle of the Rose, a lot of his influence on future writers/artists/etc. is now astoundingly clear (I was seeing at least one Marc Almond lyric or image per page at points). The fractured narrative style I actually enjoy a bit more than, say, Faulkner's attempt at same in The Sound and the Fury, the more so because Genet is constantly crossing the boundaries between fiction and autobiography to the point you can't easily tell which is which. He also sneaks in some great meditations on the nature of the creative process as therapy and escape while in prison, most specifically in Our Lady. Guess I'll want to chase down Querelle next. So what do y'all think?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the Bowie song.

Pete, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My school did a production of death watch and it was one of the best things they ever put on. I've not read or seen anything else but that was some pretty powerful stuff.

Ed, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know whether to hit you or shake your hand, Pete, so I'll just buy you a pint next week or something.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

French Porn is so good. Genet is one of my absoulte favorite writers because of his butch decadence. Classic !

anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He's a cultish personality, a farce, a sham, and one of history's ultimate contrarians. He makes lice seem sexy and women impertinent. He's campy, he's a wanky Turbonegro. I could reread The Thief's Journal for the rest of time. Prisoner of Love is even better. My favorite Genet passage:
I had to grab hold of invisible tackle. I could have cooed. Words, or the tone of my voice, would not have merely expressed my ardor, I would not have merely sung, my throat would have uttered the call of indeed the most amorous of wild game. Perhaps my neck would have bristled with white feathers. A catastrophe is always possible. Metamorphosis lies in wait for us. Panic protected me.

Otis Wheeler, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't all french writing porn?

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Couldn't possibly top Otis' description.

Forget Miller is right. Of all the dirty dirty writers that rocked my world when I was a teen, he was by far the best, the one I was least likely to skim through for the raunchy parts, the one who most altered my view of the world. Well, John Rechy comes close, but he turned into such a lousy writer. I keep meaning to re-read them all the Genet books. And that Edmund White book.

The one line that's stayed with me is when some queen farts and she exclaims, "Oh, my cock's house collapsed." Haw haw, I wish more had stuck with me, I have such a bad memory.

Arthur, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Querelle is great, as are some of his plays. I find it sort of tedious after a while, moreso than Miller, perhaps because I'm constantly finding myself reading back stupid-crit I've read on Genet into his works. Miller, on the other hand, I've only read A) brilliant crit and B) crit so off-base that I didn't care (aka. Millet).

Acker doing Genet through (literally and figuratively, if you've read Blood and Guts in High School) is unstoppable.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Odd farting expression. I have passed Emma! in stats!

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Could someone search and destroy for me.

Ed, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i liked querelle best. but cos i read it first? his writing seemed more alert and cogent limited by having invented characters and not all detail in world.

maryann, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"She helps me find Genet" - Karen, The GoBetweens

Geoff, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So working for Jacques D has rubbed off on you this time round...

alex thomson, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Unfortunately I can't read French and many translations I've seen are terrible, can anyone tell me what are the best ones?

tarden, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look for Bernard Frechtman's translations.

Otis Wheeler, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only inasmuch as both books were on reserve for his spring course, sure. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
I wanted to mention my father had his complete works. my father had alot of high class porn.

anthony, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
*revive*

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I've only read Our Lady of the Flowers, but I love it, so I'll go for classic.

Prude (Prude), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

At school and university, I adopted two of his expressions:

"to pluck a rose" - to have a piss.
"to post a watchman" - have a shit.

The latter derived from his habit of alway staking a dump on the carpet of apartments and houses he burgled. He'd say to his mates, "I'm just going to post a watchman". How he turned such stuff into poetry, I don't know; but he did.

Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven years pass...

Miracle of the Rose started this afternoon.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:35 (ten years ago)

I liked him so much in high school that I buy cool editions when I see em (grove press hardbacks mainly) but I haven't read him in a while - I feel like the literature of transgression is something you either stick with or leave behind and it's not really where I'm at. still I mean to get to Funeral Rites one of these days

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:08 (ten years ago)

erm I don't think Genet exactly codes as 'Literature of transgression'. Or he does but his works have been trapped in this label - when as an artist and activist and writer he is so much better than almost anybody else he is labelled with.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 February 2016 09:26 (ten years ago)

six months pass...

Speaking (six months later) of Genet's activism, Jackie Wang has written a long but engaging account of Genet's relation to the Black Panther Party and the writings of the imprisoned radical George Jackson, as well as their reception by Deleuze and Foucault:

http://loneberry.tumblr.com/post/150136710622/the-global-circulation-of-a-black-radical

one way street, Friday, 9 September 2016 18:10 (nine years ago)

This looks great thanks.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 September 2016 08:09 (nine years ago)

eight months pass...

Juan Goytisolo passed away a couple of days ago - never read (although heard of) him. What I didn't know is that he loved Genet and wrote this really nice piece on the man and his fiction

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

five years pass...

I liked him so much in high school that I buy cool editions when I see em (grove press hardbacks mainly) but I haven't read him in a while - I feel like the literature of transgression is something you either stick with or leave behind and it's not really where I'm at. still I mean to get to Funeral Rites one of these days

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:08 PM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

today I cracked the very cool edition of Funeral Rites alluded to above and within twenty pages ran across a phrase I remember vividly from high school, a passage I'm certain I read back then; of course, I took a lot of drugs back then, heavy ones that can do a number on your memory, so I'm not sure if I just abandoned or lost the book at some point or maybe only read briefly in it...and now, an hour & some pages later, I'm still not sure if Genet's where my head's at in the twenty-first century. I don't know! Kind of conflicted about whether to continue -- this is in some sense a personal issue, young drug-addled me & my willingness or unwillingness to harbor both his reading eyes & my own in the same skull for two hundred pages. And I think it's fair to say that some of Genet's preoccupations aren't aging so well -- I mean, specifically, the youth of his lover, his referring to the lover he's mourning & many others as literally as a child -- when Laurtreamont does this, he intends to shock, but...I don't know! Where does Genet sit in the midst of our time, you know?

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 7 October 2022 22:02 (three years ago)

I really want to read this:

https://www.nyrb.com/products/criminal-child?variant=14170567049268

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 October 2022 13:13 (three years ago)

I have that, the title essay gave me the same pearl-clutching fits I was getting yesterday from rites. today, further in, I'm of course inside Genet's severe aestheticism and willing to tithe him the world if he needs it, but, like, my waking sober mind kinda things to aestheticize things like children's prisons is bullshit - but who has greater standing to talk about this: I, who never saw the inside of a cell til he was 18, or Genet, who believed strongly in the fraternity of the prison & knew precisely of what he spoke? Genet, obviously, but his "I oppose prison reforms because of the beauty of the moral universe of the prisoner" schtick here...I feel like it doesn't survive the age of the electronic panopticon, of the merging of the justice system & capitalist interests, etc

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 8 October 2022 14:22 (three years ago)

*kinda thinks, not "things"

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 8 October 2022 14:22 (three years ago)

I feel like Prisoner of Love is the one where he is probably writing away from his schtick, if you like. But I gave it a read ten years ago.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 October 2022 14:28 (three years ago)


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