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yessir.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

american diplomacy at work.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

if you missed it, here's the whole story:

U.S. Expels Venezuelan Diplomat
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 49 minutes ago
The United States on Friday ordered a Venezuelan diplomat to leave the United States after the government of President Hugo Chavez expelled a U.S. naval attache for alleged espionage.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Jenny Figueredo Frias, whom he identified as chief of staff to the Venezuelan ambassador, was declared persona non grata and given 72 hours to leave the United States.

On Thursday, Chavez had said that Venezuela was expelling naval attache John Correa for allegedly passing secret information from Venezuelan military officers to the Pentagon.

McCormack said the U.S. action was a direct response to Correa's expulsion.

"We don't like to get into tit-for-tat games with the Venezuelan government like this, but they initiated this and we were forced to respond," he said.

Chavez announced Correa's expulsion on Thursday in a nationally televised speech celebrating the seventh anniversary of his government.

"We warn the imperial government of the United States that if their military attaches in Venezuela continue to do what this captain has been doing, they will be detained ... and the next step would be to withdraw the whole so-called military mission of the United States," Chavez said.

The U.S. move came a day after Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld likened Chavez to Adolf Hitler.

Asked during a National Press Club appearance about indications of a generally deteriorating relationship between Washington and parts of Latin America, Rumsfeld said he believes such a characterization "misses the mark."

"We saw dictatorships there. And then we saw most of those countries, with the exception of Cuba, for the most part move towards democracies," he said. "We also saw corruption in that part of the world. And corruption is something that is corrosive of democracy."

The secretary acknowledged that "we've seen some populist leadership appealing to masses of people in those countries. And elections like Evo Morales in Bolivia take place that clearly are worrisome."

"I mean, we've got Chavez in Venezuela with a lot of oil money," Rumsfeld added. "He's a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others."

There have been increasing signs of hostility between Washington and Caracas, and on Monday Chavez said Venezuela's intelligence agencies have "infiltrated" a group of military officials from the U.S. Embassy who were allegedly involved in espionage.

Venezuelan authorities, including the vice president, have accused officials at the U.S. Embassy of involvement in a spying case in which Venezuelan naval officers allegedly passed sensitive information to the Pentagon.

It was not the first such charge by Chavez.

He has accused President Bush of backing efforts to overthrow his leftist government, and specifically has charged that the United States supported a short-lived coup in 2002, fomented a devastating strike in 2004 and expelled some American missionaries from Venezuela for alleged links to the CIA.

Washington has repeatedly rejected the allegations.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Rummy's boss only wishes that he had been elected legally.

Also see: All vegetarians hate Jews, etc.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Robertson's still goin', too
COLMES: Should Chavez be assassinated?

ROBERTSON: Well, one day he's going to be aiming nuclear weapons; and what's coming across the Gulf isn't going to be Katrina, it's going to be his nukes.

COLMES: Would you feel better going back to the original comment that if he were assassinated, the world would be a safer place?

ROBERTSON: I think South America would. He is -- he is -- got hit squads. He's a very dangerous man.

COLMES: So, you're not taking back the comment. You believe assassination of Hugo Chavez would be in the best interests of the world.

ROBERTSON: Well, rather than going to war. One day, we're going to have to go to war, I'm afraid, if he continues his policy, you know. But, I don't know. I wrote him a letter. I apologized to him.

COLMES: But, wait a minute. If you say you apologized to him, what you just said seems to contravene that, because you just now said --

ROBERTSON: I know. I know.

COLMES: -- you think it'd be better if he be assassinated.

ROBERTSON: Alan, the whole thing we've got to deal with is that, one day, if he continues his course of trying to mobilize Marxist powers in South America, it's going to be a clear --

COLMES: He's very popular with his country.

ROBERTSON: Well, yes and no. But he does --

HANNITY: He's building up weapons against the United States, isn't he?

COLMES: He's extremely popular. Eighty-percent of his country --

ROBERTSON: He's also calling for the destruction of George Bush. He calls him a war criminal.

COLMES: Do you want him taken out?

ROBERTSON: Not now, but one day, one day, one day. My premise is, and I think as -- you know, until that comment came out, everybody thought Chavez [added link] was a fellow having to do with table grapes in California. Now --

HANNITY: I think one thing we could say is, the world would be better off without him where he is, because he is a danger to the United States.

ROBERTSON: Extreme danger.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Though, conceivably, unlike George W. Bush.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I initially suspected this was some US lefty, curiously OK with Bush v Gore, talking about Dubya.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Is this the first time an American cabinet-level official has dropped the Hitler bomb in a public statement like that? I mean, that's pretty foul.

phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm interested in the whole leftist shift happening in South America... they've always had a passion for it, but it's such a huge bee in the US bonnet - that an entire region could see an alternative to enforced free-market hegemony - that it's very refreshing.

Incidentally, Chavez basically bought the votes in the last election, by setting up free stores in poor neighborhoods and basically giving away flour and oil and shit... whatever works. It's really a more solid campaign expenditure than tons of expensive 30 second spots.

andy --, Friday, 3 February 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Is this the first time an American cabinet-level official has dropped the Hitler bomb in a public statement like that?

quite doubtful. U.S. Congressfolk do it all the time.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

"Venezuela is also implementing the people’s food program, selling food at extremely low prices to reduce malnutrition. This program has created a network of 'food houses' that distribute free food along with the 'program of social care,' which offers personalized medical, dental and pediatric services, as well as legal assistance..."

Not very hitleresque.

andy --, Friday, 3 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Heh.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is this the first time an American cabinet-level official has dropped the Hitler bomb in a public statement like that? I mean, that's pretty foul.

Especially back during World War II.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Santorum detonate the Hitler-bomb not long ago - on the floor of the Senate, even?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

did Chavez actually go ahead with that Citgo deal with offering cheap gasoline to the Gulf Coast?

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

"We don't like to get into tit-for-tat games with the Venezuelan government like this, but they initiated this and we were forced to respond," he said.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

(xxxpost)Technically he's not cabinet-level, but yeah really that's just nit-picking.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also, remember all the massive amounts of scorn heaped upon Dick Durbin by the rightwing noize machine when he did this last summer, by referring to Gitmo torture methods described in a FBI report as sounding like something from Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Chavez has made a statement that got a reaction from the ADL.

Is this the first time an American cabinet-level official has dropped the Hitler bomb in a public statement like that? I mean, that's pretty foul.

I seem to recall George Bush, Sr. making a comparison between Hitler and Saddam.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

absolutely. I think he said "worse"!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm interested in the whole leftist shift happening in South America... they've always had a passion for it, but it's such a huge bee in the US bonnet - that an entire region could see an alternative to enforced free-market hegemony - that it's very refreshing.

Things are finally reaching a critical mass down there. The TeleSUR network finally began full-time broadcasting late last year as a counter to CNN and the right-wing Univision and just this week they signed a deal with al-Jazeera.

I'm sure all of this is driving BushCo crazy.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

You [the audience] didn't have money, and where was that money? The money in Venezuela was concentrated with them...like it is in the world, for this is a worldwide phenomena, you know? I just finished reading early this morning the latest report from the United Nations about the world situation, and it's alarming because it says that today more than ever before, 2005 years after they killed Jesus Christ, because the world, the world, is worsening every day, every day, the riches of the world, because God, nature provides, the world has sufficent water for those who need water, the world has sufficent riches, land sufficient to produce foodstuffs for the entire world population, the world has sufficient stone and minerals for construction, so that there is no shortage for anyone who is living. The world has these things for all, sure, but because of some minorities, the decendents of those same people who killed Christ, the decendents of the same people who fought Bolivar, and also those who crucified them in Santa Marta, over in Colombia. A minority that has seized the riches of the world, a minority that has seized the gold of the planet, the silver, the minerals, the water, the good land, the oil, all these riches, well, and they have concentrated the riches in only a few hands: less than 10 percent of the world population has more than half the riches of the entire world..and more than half the entire population of the planet is poor and each day there are more poor in the entire world.

Hugo Chavez, December 24, 2005

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

2005 years after they killed Jesus Christ

wins points for passion, but is docked severely by the russian judge for accurancy and/or coherency

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

The world has these things for all, sure, but because of some minorities, the decendents of those same people who killed Christ, the decendents of the same people who fought Bolivar, and also those who crucified them in Santa Marta, over in Colombia.

wow those romans have some pretty long reach.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

chavez almost sounds lie gerrard winstanley there

stence don't be dim

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is he really talking about Jews in that quote? I don't get it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

He denied it and the ADL asked for a clarification and he said something about it definitely not being about the Jews.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

Who does Chavez look like? He really reminds me of someone.

Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

don't be gullible, tracer; remove any references to christ and chavez's l'il speech there reads like common leftist fodder. could even see something like that on ilx.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

".... the decendents of those same people who killed Christ...."

The Italians?

ANDY --, Friday, 3 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

my point exactly stence. it has the parts about christ, which i think gives it a moral heft most "common leftist fodder" lacks. the religious element brings it to the same zone as classic leveller rhetoric, i.e. god's bounty to everyone hoarded by a greedy few. in any case, saying the romans and the american capitalists and the spanish empire are all part of one long tradition of exploitation and empire makes sense to me.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

seeing as you can draw a very clear line of imperial power from Rome to England to America, I don't think that's THAT big a rhetorical stretch. That seems like a more likely explanation of his (admittedly not that coherent) statement than anti-semitism. Certainly western imperial power has a clear and consistent pattern in how its been excercised throughout history (and Jews don't really have a whole lot to do with most of it).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Never mind Jebus, the dick doesn't even understand how Hitler gained power, and that's historically documented.

Worship That? Never! (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

While I'm actually a pretty big fan in a lot of ways for Chavez and the other leftists who are taking power from the US controlled hegemonies there (even if I wonder about ulterior motives, its at least fun to watch), I seriously wonder about whether or not they're all destined to become seconds to China and their increasing need for natural resources. China is definitely reaching out to that part of the world, and I really have serious doubts that the Chinese are interested in making Venezuela a better place because of sort of altruisitic philosophy.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

"because of some sort of" would be better there at the end.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

Unlike the US, who are totally altruistic.

Worship That? Never! (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

Unlike the US, who are totally altruistic.

I agree with that there. I'm just hoping that in 15 years, they don't have the same people working for the same wage in a country just as oppressed as before (when US influence ruled the day), because China wants petroleum and wants it now. That would be a hell of a let down.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

I envy your optimism.

Worship That? Never! (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

I envy your optimism.

Just my increasing paranoia of Chinese foriegn policy, that's all. You can probably ignore it.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)


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