The real reason the Seahawks lost

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The curse of the wacky judge

A judge overseeing a manslaughter case embarrassed prosecutors and upset the victim's family when she called for a Super Bowl cheer for the Seattle Seahawks before the start of the sentencing hearing.

As Judge Beverly G. Grant took the bench Friday, she asked everyone in court to say "Go Seahawks." Dissatisfied with the low volume of the response, she told them to try again.

Only then did she hear statements from prosecutors, defense lawyers and relatives of the slain Tino Patricelli, as well as an apology from defendant Steve Keo Teang, before resentencing Teang to 13 1/2 years in prison.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

[she cups her hand behind her ear] "I can't heeeeeeear you!"

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

More like the curse of the wacky refs.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

U MAD

Dan (WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH REFS SUX Whatevs) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ye olde 'We Wuz Robbed' defense? Dear me!

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really care about who won. The Superbowl yesterday was the first NFL game I've watched in about 5 years. I just thought it was a rather sorry comment on the state of the sport that the outcome of a major deciding game could be decided by such dubious refereeing. I'll stick to watching baseball, thanks.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 February 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'll stick to watching baseball, thanks.

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polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

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phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

wow o.nate, that slate article is full of egregious errors that could've been fixed by them, just, like, reading espn.com this morning. You coulda at least double checked your facts, if you wuz so worried about the refs facts.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

omigod jeffrey maier go straight to hell

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

that slate article is full of egregious errors that could've been fixed by them, just, like, reading espn.com this morning

Reading what? This column which pretty much makes the same argument as the Slate piece?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2320683&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

The idea that refs are biased is really insulting and ridiculous. Every single one of those bad calls is just that... a bad call. The sum of the bad calls in a game is always going to leave someone at a disadvantage, and no game is ever going to be perfect as long as we allow human error as a factor.

I've heard a lot of whining about the push-off interference, but to me that was interference, no question. The illegal block on Hasselbeck was wrong, straight up. I thought Ben didn't get in, and I'm sure that when the refs really look at it, they'll agree.

But the refs get stuff wrong, just like the umps get plays wrong all the time. Almost every pitch around the edges of the plate in baseball is questionable, and I've seen a ton of bad calls at first, on balls that were called fair, etc. If anything, baseball holds inaccuracy as a virtue, as gamesmanship. Football refs are held to a standard that I personally think is ridiculous.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

The only solution is fewer rules.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

In brief:

* yank that judge
* referees "suck" at every game. Surely the Shawks benefitted by some referee calls throughout the reason in small doses. It all balances out at the end.
* Also, the inevitable "but the Shawks played too many home games and had an easy ass game schedule" counter-defense, snore, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, etc.
* It was too beautiful a day yesterday to just sit in a bar and watch a game... (for me personally)... I got lots of photo work and research done yesterday as a result.

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

thoughout the season

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a lot of the Puppy Bowl during the breaks or during some lulls in the game. Bliss.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

also how could i forget?

* Shaun is no longer clapping like a homosexual

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

xposts

At least in baseball they don't decide the championship by a single game, which makes the possibility of having bad calls determine the outcome much less likely. Sure calling balls & strikes is always iffy at the edges of the plate, but over time the sheer number of those calls causes them to average out. Also, in baseball, the umpire calls do not interrupt the normal flow of the game, because they are part of the normal flow of the game. In the Superbowl yesterday it was like every time the Seahawks made a potentially decisive play you had to grit your teeth for the inevitable flag that would take it away.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

somebody didn't watch any of the white sox/angels series last year.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

The point of the disputed Rofflesberger touchdown is that it was not readily determinable whether he broke the plane with the ball or not before he was downed. In the face of that, league rules state that the call could not be overturned.

I disagreed with the pass interference and the bad block calls.

Dan (Such Is Life) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, there was the one controversial call with Pierzynski and Josh Paul at the plate, which gave the Sox an advantage. But you could argue that it still didn't hand them the game - it gave them an opportunity to score more points and break a tie - but it didn't give or take away any points. But that was one game of a playoff series (not even the World Series).

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o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

But that was one game of a playoff series (not even the World Series).

right, but it could be said that winning that one game gave them the momentum (lazy sports cliche alert, but still) to win the series, which of course gets them in the w.s. or something.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

i think the real reason the 'hawks lost was jeremy stevens seemingly played the game wearing cement gloves. all that was missing was the cartoon sfx "CLANG!" whenever the ball went his way.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 6 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, there was the one controversial call with Pierzynski and Josh Paul at the plate, which gave the Sox an advantage. But you could argue that it still didn't hand them the game - it gave them an opportunity to score more points and break a tie - but it didn't give or take away any points. But that was one game of a playoff series (not even the World Series).

The scenario is irrelevant. The potential for damage is just as high. What if the play had happened with two outs in the bottom of the ninth in game seven? The fact that it didn't doesn't change the fact that the umpires are highly flawed and capable of making a series-changing decision due to not having enough information available to them. If it does happen, will you stop watching the World Series?

Obviously, each instance in a World Series baseball game is far less likely to affect the outcome than each instance in a Super Bowl game. (And the fact that each event is so crucial is why instant reply exists.) But the game was not won or lost on any of the plays in this Super Bowl. Jackson pass interfered, but the Hawks still had a chance to convert; Roethlisberger could have scored on the next play; the Steelers could have scored whether Hasselbeck's block was clean or not; etc.

I mean, if you want to blame something, blame Holmgren's ATROCIOUS clock management at the end of each half.

I'd also like to point out that the refs in football have to watch twenty-two (or more) different points of action to look for a foul, each point governed by hundreds of nuanced subrules. Baseball umpires almost always have one point of action to consider: the ball. It is a lot easier to get things right in baseball and yet it still gets messed up all the time.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I love the Puppy Bowl and their halftime show was great.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

stupidest super bowl ever. the refs were pivotally awful. i think with jeremy stevens dropping everything in sight the steelers probably would've won anyway, but it would've been, like, a close exciting game, not that lifeless thing last night. i think it would've been a way better way for pittsburgh to win too, more glorious or whatever. and whatever happened to "let them play"??? it's the fucking super bowl! it didn't even feel like a football game by the end. momentumless, dramaless. and yes i know like the carson palmer injury that is football, but yawn.

(except for those steelers trick plays. those were great.)

literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

y'know there's been a lot of super bowls where the score wasn't as close as 11.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

and yet i'd rather watch any of them!

literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

well have fun then.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

ooh burn.

literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just happy that William called the results of this EXACTLY on the NFL board.. I really hope he put in a big bet on that prediction.

Dom iNut (donut), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, I never watch football, and it didn't feel too boring to me. Both teams feeling the other out for the better part of a scoreless first quarter, Seahawks looking slightly superior. Both teams looked tentative, as if they didn't want to lose rather than wanting to win, (and people may find that boring but I don't think they like football then but the mere spectacle of football) until the Steelers started to make some daring plays and take control of the game. Right when I thought they had it all sewn up, the Seahawks started to retrieve the momentum but couldn't quite.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

i see what you mean, and yes there was tension; i just got driven nuts by the refs putting the clamps on seattle every time they got any momentum going. took me out of the game. i'm not even saying anything about robbery or whatever, i just think front-and-center refs playing chess badly is poor entertainment.

literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

(to pretty much plagiarize o. nate's initial summation)

literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

the first thing they need to do is get rid of the f*cking "line of scrimmage" and let em have at it. football has so many rules and caveats i'm surprised anyone can follow it, much less have opinions about it, i.e. it is the perfect game for ROBOT AUDIENCES, who could follow every partial facemask and nuance with precision - and the real game lies in seeing how well the human refs perform

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Any good robot audience member would notice about ten penalizable (is that a word?) offenses on every play.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)


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