I also have some unmarried friends with two children and with the middle names included, it's a mouthful... plus the playground questions.
― andy --, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)
i want to know what happens when these kids grow up and get married? add another hyphen?
― sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)
And what Ed said is true for Mexico as well. Children there carry both parents names. I haven't known any Mexicans who have had their heads explode because of this.
― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)
but if you have a hyphenated name and youre getting married does that give it three hyphens? i assume one name loses out, right? if the lesbians fake kid above marries some guy surnamed smith, is she then 'amanda rhys-merriweather-smith'?
in spain and mexico, does the husband hyphenate (add the wife's name?)
― sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)
This is something I've always wondered. I feel like we're just now reaching that point where kids with hyphenated names are starting to get married.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)
If it was me, I'd be glad to take on Smith and dump the rest. Having said that, I married a man who has a hyphenated surname which reaches back at least 5 generations. Being called by the first of those names was always irritating ("no, sorry, that's nor my maiden name"), but I got used to it.
― luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)
It has long, long been traditonal to transform surnames into middle names and to attach as many middle names to a child as the parents deem fitting or honorable. The hyphenated solution came about because of an unseemly insistance by parents upon gluing both surnames upon children with indissoluable bonds, so that each surname showed up for every parade.
This is cowardice IMO because it serves only the vanity of the parents and gives the child no flexibility for the future, unless they have recourse to the courts. Little Audrey Porterhouse-Krepsbach could just as easily (and far more happily) been named Audrey Porterhouse Krepsbach.
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)
There are more ins and outs and complications, but that'll do.
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)
I really don't see how this causes anymore of a hardship when someone marries. The person still has to decide among many options of possibly re-naming themselves although one of those, hypenating with a new name, might be a bit unweildly. That doesn't seem sufficient enough to take away the parents' rights to give their child both names.
― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)
I merely think that to call a name such as Jane Porterhouse-Krepsbach-Flitch-Nedworthy "a bit unwieldly" is similar to calling Muhammed Ali "rather well-known" or Hurricane Katrina "somewhat damaging". Not that I wish to quash anyone's right to adopt such a name by choice - or even to saddle it on their child. I think it would simply be wrong - in the same way that lighting a stink bomb at a wedding would be wrong.
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)
I don't really have an opinion on whether that's worth the extra syllables, but it does turn out kind of handy in the case of divorce and such: depending on how things go, Amanda might one day feel like leaning things over toward making more use of the Rhys or making more use of the Merriweather. The main weird part, for the time being, is that it still seems a little unnatural when children have hyphenated last names: it seems like they're married. I assume that'll pass.
Are there many places where names are still combined almost on a clan basis? I.e., you get the whole bundle of names, but you're inevitably going to wind up with the ones that best situate you in terms of local history, and whichever ones have the most status. (So if your grandmother was an Anderson, a key part of the community for generations, you're gonna go with Anderson, even though your grandfather was Smith, a traveling salesman who only stayed in town for ten years.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname#Russia
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)
Ms. Porterhouse-Krepsbach + Mr. Flitch-Nedworth = Mr. Krepsbach-NedworthMs. Rhys-Merriweather + Mr. Dimitri-Wong = Ms. Merriweather-Wong (girl)
And their kids:
Mr. Krespback-Nedworth + Ms. Merriweather-Wong = baby Nedworth-Wong
So like grandma Porterhouse and grandma Flitch got named out of the lineage as soon as the grandkid was born. And grandmas Porterhouse-Krespback and Rhys-Merriweather got entirely named out as soon as their grandkid was born. It's exactly as patrilinear, except there's a one-generation insulation so you don't notice as much.
If you wanted to make it not patrilinear, for whatever reason, I guess you'd have to dictate that children would take last names depending on sex:
Ms. Porterhouse-Krepsbach + Mr. Flitch-Nedworth = Mr. Krepsbach-Nedworth, BUTMs. Rhys-Merriweather + Mr. Dimitri-Wong = Ms. Rhys-Dimitri
I suppose this would give every name a fair gamble in working its way down the line. But it would be confusing and take a lot of work to remember, and names wouldn't give us as much unambiguous information about people's ancestry.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)
― andy --, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 9 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)
It wasn't cowardice, it was a compromise. And it keeps the grandparents happy. ALWAYS keep the grandparents happy.
― Ned T.RIfle II (Ned T.Rifle II), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)
Which is why I married a woman with my last name! Smith! We are the Smith-Smiths or, in Olde Ainglish, Smythe.
Aw, yeah bitches. Whose got a horse that needs a-shoein'?
― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)
― jz, Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)
And then they'll get married to people with hyphenated names and have kids who get married to people with hyphenated names and within five generations they'll be people with 64 names. Their kids will have 128 names. Just imagine how big credit cards will have to be.
― James Ward (jamesmichaelward), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
― She's In Parties (kate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― She's In Parties (kate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― She's In Parties (kate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― She's In Parties (kate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)
"When they get married they can do what they like obviously."Should be IF they get married or enter a civil partnership obviously...
― Ned T.RIfle II (Ned T.Rifle II), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)
I'm here to tell you my name is now Phafrakorb Rakkietgym
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― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)