Would Labour have had 18 years in the political wilderness if Neil Kinnock and John Smith had lovely, thick locks?
Would Churchill or Clem Atlee been ignored in these media conscious days?
― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
John Smith never fought an election but I'd like to think that he'd have wonif he'd stayed alive long enough. maybe not as well as tony blair but then maybe we'd have a social democratic goverment rather than an opportunistic populist one.
― Ed, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
You're not in Hague's constituency, are you, Billy?
Hard to believe now that the Tories appointed a leader in 1965 to oppose Harold Wilson who was from a similar social background to Wilson (i.e. grammar school not public school - quite a thing back then, still, for a top-level politician), the same age, and didn't have the seemingly now obligatory smiling wife and children, to replace an out-of-touch aristocratic old buffer. Edward Heath was appointed by a different Tory party: one which believed in winning elections, not sucking up to an ageing hardcore. IDS is the face of a Britain whose demise I pretty much celebrate unreservedly, and the word "demise" accurately sums up his probable effect on the party.
Ed is right about John Smith. A great lost Prime Minister, who would never have achieved the size of majority that Blair has, but would have given us a true social democratic government with, you know, founding principles and stuff. But it's good to see the rest of the party increasingly disagreeing with Blair: a strong parliamentary party *has* to challenge its leader sometimes or it is worthless, and there are many issues where they are quite right to do so. I think everyone agreed by the time of John Smith's death in 1994 that Labour would have won the next election: the Tories were falling apart in office, and even the Sun, yet to cross the floor to Labour but increasingly turning against Blair, acknowledged (I think) at the time that he would have been "Britain's next Prime Minister".
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
My wife works for the council and he's often in seeing the council's chief exec and by all accounts he's an arrogant cunt. Needless to say I didn't vote for him but he still increased his majority. This is as safe a tory seat as you're likely to get.
― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
(Sorry, that Charles Kennedy was on the telly again last night, and although I agree with lots of what he says, I just cannot get around the fact that he has yellow eyelashes and orange hair. That's not right.)
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Pete, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Tom, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Emma, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
But yeah, that Bald Bloke. What a freak.
― alex thomson, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
......Bitter, bitter, bitter ......
M.A.N.I.P.U.L.A.T.I.N.G them......
Byebye now i love baldies ...
― Iain Duncan Smith, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)