the 'marie antoinette' trailer...

"I don't believe in reincarnation because I don't believe I can come back as a bug or a rabbit."

"You know, you're a real up person."

Note the one super-generic indie shot you see in the trailer - a slow dolly back isolating Dunst against Versailles. Yuck yuck yuck. Garden State and Wes Anderson have ruined that move forever.

looked like a zoom to me.

i wonder what she's going for by using this device in the film (if that part of the trailer ends up in the finished film). marie was to the manor born--surely she of all people would have felt at home, not alienated, in its monumental confines?

i'm looking forward to this, whatever my mixed feelings abt ms coppola's two previous films. for some reason the *idea* of this sort of hits the spot--i like that she's doing a period drama, and one about 18th-c. france in particular.

it definitely seems a "risk," but not in the vaguely moral sense implied by the entertainment news ("will the creditors stand for this?" "will she alienate the Academy?" "will this upset some middle-american straw men?"). just the basic artistic risk of taking on material that's been taken on many times before, but in a very new context.

What if that were a fake trailer for a completely different movie with all the same people?

ANTICIPATING!

She often found herself left out in the cold at Versailles as she wasn't really a part of the elaborate rituals that revolved around her husband. In order to enjoy herself a little more she had a small model village built in the grounds, where she would hang out with all her friends and get away from it all.

It was her rejection by the court and ensuing boredom that led to her going out boozing, dining and gambling around Paris, something that turned much of the French population against her and led to her getting the chop post-revolution.

i think a bigger reason she got the chop was because she was queen and they didn't want a figurehead for the counterrevolution out and about.

but whatever

i've been pwned

http://www.allocine.fr/webtv/acvision.asp?nopub=1&cvid=18603777&emission=&player=QT&debit=HD

Hilariously executed cunts.

Well, those who disagree can hope, then.

Sofia interview:

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/6749567.html#cutid1

http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/06-05/18.shtml#shieldsbowwowwow

OMG my head just exploded considering this...

On the other hand... It spectacularly jump the tracks at the two-thirds mark, fast-forwarding through to the end without much of a conclusion. I get the feeling that the Jaime Reid typography and the Gang Of Four opening are only there because Coppola thought they were cool, not as any tangible thread to draw together the disparate elements of political/class disconnection which are scattered about. The Paris Hilton connection noted above is glaringly obvious, but there's no follow through. At the 90 minute mark, I was thinking "could we FINALLY have some angry mobs?"

b/w that adn the trailer, might be worth my 7 bucks

and it exists cause we are in the middle of a royal resurgance (and that stupid bio)

and its about her realtionship with her father, apparently

has anyone read the antonia fraser book?

what would be funny is if the movie has a scene with marie saying "let them eat cake!" and a cake song starts playing. or if they subtitle it "a knight's tale 2: period drama with modern soundtrack."

schwartzman was a casting coup!

(hence the French "don't-touch-the-revolution" hate reaction etc etc).
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:13 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

some french, but cahiers et al really liked it.

the whole "natural's not in it" thing is like half an interesting idea (if quite on-the-nose). proudly wearing artifice on its sleeve and all that. but that's pretty much as far as the idea goes, aside from a general (and vague) rhyme between artifice and the "artificial" world of the versailles court.

i mean i hate to get all canonical and shit but visconti did this a long time ago, like 10,000x better. even in "ludwig."

do people even remember visconti anymore? i mean aside from "the leopard" which everybody knows.

i mean if you were ever mystified by the way the french toss about that term "mise-en-scène," just find an opportunity to see "senso" on the big screen. hay-yo.

Most of his films are rather awful (The Leopard and bits of Rocco and Senso excepted).

"most"? the only ones i'm not fond of are the strange, the damned, and death in venice (which were all made in a short period, ironically at the height of his international profile).

the strangeR

honestly though most of your posts seem either pretentious or callow so i'm not taking your opinion too srsly.

http://www.goodlightscraps.com/content/hugs/hugs-15.jpg, etc.

http://www.skeetermonkey.com/images/skeeter-attitude-1.jpg

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d83451583769e201116893a7ad970c-800wi

I have no problem with seeming callow when discussing pretentious swill like The Damned and Death in Venice.

i liek this movee

I bought this for £2 when Zavvi were selling off all their stock earlier this year, but haven't got around to watching it yet. Maybe that sums it up for me.

sinker repped for it in his films of the year for sight and sound if that = strong partisan.

― toastmodernist, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:15 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

... and pirates of the caribbean 2 iirc!

i think this movie is ok... kirsten dunst is easy to watch. don't think i'd bother with it a second time or anything.

easy to watch, hard to listen to.

schwarzmann the best thing in it by far. have yet to see him in something where he wasn't enjoyable, he makes whatever shitty thing he's in better.

Funny People, for ex.

wait, we're still talking about the trailer, right?

Wow, Shakey. Our opinions are 180 degrees apart: I find him insufferable, and he's a drag in whatever he's in -- except here! His petulance is used to shrewd effect.

even the Fantastic Mr. Fox?

mark sinker's public tastes in film have a touch of chuck klosterman. sort of wilfully cheeky and aggressively idiosyncratic. i think mark is brilliant, though, unlike klosterman.

the orthography of "fantastic mr. fox" is extremely pleasing.

http://www.downoncemore.com/image_samples/fantastic_mr_fox_title.jpg

i mean, isn't that nice? it just looks nice, sounds nice.

let's try that again

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/trailer-fantastic-mr-fox.jpg

"i mean i hate to get all canonical and shit but visconti did this a long time ago, like 10,000x better. even in ludwig".

I think Coppola and Visconti have very different approaches: at least to me, Marie-Antoinette is like a totally American teen movie accidentally shot in Versailles. And I mean this in a good way!

And talking about Visconti, why none ever talks about Ossessione, by far his best film (ok, maybe with Senso)? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj5_n3EHOwU

it's like a totally plotless american teen movie consisting of a series of tableaux and montage sequences, no? that's not a criticism, but if it can be likened to a "teen movie," one have to admit it approaches the category sideways...

"it's like a totally plotless american teen movie consisting of a series of tableaux and montage sequences, no?"

Definitely: it is somehow aimless and there's no real narrative core, but in some way this mirrors the actual feeling of being young, carefree, even a little dumb. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Coppola tells about Versailles thinking of Hollywood spoilt children.

teen movie without any funny dialogue?

Definitely: it is somehow aimless and there's no real narrative core, but in some way this mirrors the actual feeling of being young, carefree, even a little dumb. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Coppola tells about Versailles thinking of Hollywood spoilt children.

I don't know about any of your experiences with 'teen movies' but all of the ones I have watched have an intensely strong narrative core – but a hackneyed one. I can't actually name any teen movies (err, since the breakfast club) that consist of a series of tableaux and montage sequences that aim to mirror the experience of being young and carefree.

Marie Antoinette is totally aimless and lacking most any narrative, sure, but that is pointedly not a condition of any teen movie i have ever seen

"I can't actually name any teen movies (err, since the breakfast club) that consist of a series of tableaux and montage sequences that aim to mirror the experience of being young and carefree"

Marie-Antoinette is exactly this movie: far from perfect, but personal and that's what I like about it.

Marie Antoinette is totally aimless and lacking most any narrative, sure, but that is pointedly not a condition of any teen movie i have ever seen

― ampersand (remy bean), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:43 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

right, that was my point.

i was agreeing with you, sir

well, then, i raise my glass to you!

im so happy

if only robespierre et al were this conciliatory

Like The Dammed, with all its pretensions!

One of ilx crew's best habits is to keep in mind films/music/bks that everyone else has forgotten or passed anyone else by!

More good than ill in this 'fashion designer's' film. If you compare to things like A single Man, for example. But both I wouldn't mind catching on the film screen, then forget about it to then be reminded of its existence on ilx many months later.

or years later as the case may be!

I'm just rewatching this right now... it somehow seems even more naive than when I first saw it.
It completely changes history as though the values of the upper-middle class that supplanted the upper class in the 19th and 20th centuries -were- the original values of the upper class, doesn't it? So confusing...

u gotta admit it's a great trailer tho

so, so ahead of its time. would be a hit today. common critique i remember "she didn't get the history right!" is so stupid. the death of stalin came out at exactly the right time.

Watched it for the first time the other week. I remember seeing the trailer when it came out (I guess I would’ve been about 20) and mentally marking it as something to avoid, knee jerk reaction to a kind of cute My Mix Tape Movie! sorta thing. Appreciated the angle she was going for now that I’m some years removed. It was good.

I'd like to see a version of this scored with period music. Regardless of SC's intent.

Yeah, curious how or if it would really work that way.

It was nice. Seriously doubt it would be a hit today though. It mostly really made me want to re-watch Barry Lyndon.

well, as much as a hit as the death of stalin. maybe more. it certainly wouldn't get trashed like it did in 2006, and that's obviously far more important to a film's reputation & legacy than its box office numbers.

Weird timing - I’d never seen this having retrospectively hated LiT and reacting the same way to the trailer. But I picked up the DVD for two bucks at a market to show my daughters for the costumery and the patisserie, basically. I liked it more than I expected, and my sixteen years old said dad I literally want to live in this movie. Which I think is the point - fuck history, how would it feel to go back and live that person’s life as me?

Saw this at the cinema aged 18 and definitely wanted to live in it (I went and bought loads of velvet-embossed stationery immediately afterwards and started listening to New Order all the time), then was disappointed when every person I showed it to subsequently found it incredibly boring. I guess it is slightly over-long, but I still find it great fun. Sophia Coppola is a master of disaffected rich youth and I admire that she’s never really deviated from portraying what she intimately knows.

i remember liking it. reminded me a little of baz luhrmann's romeo + juliet

I kinda love this movie

it was stuck in my mind for days after seeing it. really left an impression.