What age did you stop believing in god?

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And was it some sort of radical moment of clarity, or a slower process?

I think I was maybe 14 when this happened, but no sudden revelations there, I just gradually became to realize that the idea of god was kinda silly. I did use to pray as a kid, but that was more out of habit rather than me being particularly strong in faith. I did become a fanatic atheist at the age 16 after having read Ludvig Feuerbach, but the fanatic phase passed after a couple of years.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 February 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

Atheists, when/why did you stop believing in god?

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 13 February 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, sorry, should've bothered to search.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 February 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

I never really believed. Parents did not go to church at all, except very rarely to unitarian services and that ended about when I was 5 or so I think. Can't remember God being mentioned in the household even.

ALAN FROG (Mingus Dew), Monday, 13 February 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

i'm agnostic, but the tone of this question is really odd to me. not everyone stops believing in god, and putting religious faith in the same category as belief in the tooth fairy or something seems pretty insulting.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree, JD, as I know a professor/author who once believed - I think he even wanted to become a priest - but then became a firm atheist. You can believe in something and then stop believing in it.

Personally I don't think I ever really believed. I loved listening to my grandfather read from the children's bible but I never really believed in God itself. I think I came to the conclusion when I was about seven maybe? Probably later, as I doubt I could really consciously come to that conclusion at that age. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

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Otm - also, not everyone starts out by believing in god: some people come to believe in god later in life. And some never believe at all.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree, JD, as I know a professor/author who once believed - I think he even wanted to become a priest - but then became a firm atheist. You can believe in something and then stop believing in it.

um...i'm not saying that's not true! but the way this question is phrased suggests that religious faith is something to be "grown out of," and i think that's ridiculous.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

why?

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

I always find it amazing how people always think atheists can attack a believer but never vice versa. It's always as if we (atheists) attack believers. I never do. Nor do I think Tuomas intends to. He's speaking from a personal perspective, no?

Bob, so how did the first person came to believe. ;-) I'm kidding, I know you said "not everyone". ;-)

I've mellowed a lot since I got married and got older... I don't really like to talk about my (dis)belief anymore as 1 it always seems as though I want to fight (which I don't) and 2 I really don't care what others think of my atheist beliefs nor what I think of them. Well, I do, but it always ends up in a verbal fight and I hate that. It's not worth it.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

(Of course why the hell (heh) do I come here then?)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

"what age did you stop believing in god?" does sound presumtuous and makes it sound like it is/should be the norm -- not totally personal

still

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

Huh? I don't see any reason why this should be presumptuous. I mean,... Well, I can understand, but it's just a question. *shrug*

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

sheesh. i'm not remotely religious at all and never have been, but the smugness of this thread's premise just bothered me. probably tuomas didn't mean anything by it, but imagine what the response would be to an ilm thread called "what age did you stop listening to rap?"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

I guess you mean its loaded in the "when did you stop hitting your wife?" vein?

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway semantics aside, I guess it is a legit question.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

For me it wasnt a "believing in god" epiphany so much as a "disbeliving in horror in the organised religion I grew up with" thing. Which happened when I went to an ecumenical Easter Camp as a teenager. This involved such things as seminars where teenage kids were told anything beyond handholding was not christian (which left some kids in distressed tears), and the "debriefing" at the end of the weekend where everyone was told "ok now back to the real world where it isnt niceynice like this, fight the good fight they're all against you".

I promptly scoffed and gave up at that point, and I had been pretty into it. I just realised it was for poor reasons (friend networking and thats about it).

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Trayce just put it much better than I could have.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

The weird thing also was, the friends networking was a hilarious sham - these kids'd be your best mate at church gatherings, and I'm sure they were nice people, but come the light of day they had NOTHING to do with you outside of church, fukk that!

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

I stopped listening to rap in about '96. Beware of false profits etc.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry if the thread title has caused confusion, it was meant to be in the vein of other threads like "It's 2AM, why aren't you sleeping?": the question was addressed to only those who actually have stopped believing in god, I didn't mean to imply everyone have done or should do so.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

dude, you're missing out on this;

http://www.geocities.com/reallynotpc/Christian_Rap.jpg

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

If you haven't stopped believing in god, you don't answer the question. Simple.

If you no longer believe in god, and have now become an atheist, what age did you stop believing in god

...seems a bit unweildy to me.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 13 February 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the thread title was supposed to be wryly funny, and it is!

My prediction is that God will beat out Santa Claus on 'age believed in ubtil', but lose to 'welfare state' by a narrow margin.

mei (mei), Monday, 13 February 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with chewie and Tuomas about the question. If you haven't stopped believing in God, then this question doesn't apply to you.

I have not believed in God for a long time, but I think I was pretty agnostic until I went to New Zealand, which was such a wonderful, beautiful place and so full of natural processes in action that it just plained knocked any desire for a higher something out of me and I realised that there was nothing more beautiful than the accidents that brought all of this about. And that was a great feeling.

I believe I may have been in a bus on the way to Akaroa at the time. My atheist epiphany. I am very proud of it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 13 February 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm angry abt the question because it assumes that everyone believes in god, to begin w/ just kidding

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 February 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

about 16 or so. around 22 i realized that believing in god wasnt that silly at all, but i havent come around to full fledged belief. i feel like i have glimpses or moments of faith, and that seems honest to me.

ryan (ryan), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

ryan otm

i ws raised in a fairly agnostic family, parents never went to church unless grandma was over and wanted to. over the course of the last month or so ive realized i think i actually do believe, to a certain extent. im still getting a grasp on it but i think its more in a deist sense

nervous (cochere), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

RJG OTM just kidding.

what about people who have never believed in god just saying why or maybe something about their attempts to try to believe in god?

i never believed in god and my maternal relatives are all irish catholics. so rule out environment. i tried to believe a few times when i was young because friends used to go to social church stuff and they made seem kinda fun (WRONG), and i tried a couple of times in my late teens because i really dug religious imagery of saints. still do. I just couldn't convince myself. to me its akin to convincing yourself the easter bunny exists. its a really hard thing to do. i am the queen of denial but this one i just cant pull off.
i still consider myself a catholic and will defend catholicism to the end but thats not about god. its about real people that existed that did extraordinary things (saints, yo).
god, to me, is what people use to a) to keep themselves in line b) to feel like they arent alone c)to explain what we cant explain yet d)to have something to believe in e)to have a reason for life other than procreation. all very good reasons to live and let live because who doesnt need a-d every now and then.

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

i stopped around ten or eleven. i've been trying to restart for several years for what i consider good reasons, but i still have hope rather than faith.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

In second grade, in preparation for my first communion, I found myself unable to buy the whole transubstantiation thing, and was skeptical of "God" being the answer to any unaswered question - where was the science? I continued going to Catholic church and such through confirmation because it was simply easier than explaining to my mom why I didn't believe any of it.

I'm more of an agnostic than an atheist - because just as nothing has proven to me that God exists, nothing has proven that God dosen't exist. But I basically find myself not caring either way, it's just not something I spend any amount of time thinking about.

joygoat (joygoat), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

the question of god's existence is not an empirical question. god is not a particular being like a car or a squirrel. god is not a thing.

ryan (ryan), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure that I ever really believed in God, in the sense of believing it with all my heart or anything. My family went to church every Sunday since I was about six, and I listened attentively and went along with things, but since we never really talked about church outside of church, it didn't seem all that important.

Still, it wasn't until I was about 14 that I really started to question what I actually believed in. There was a time, while I was working this all out, that I decided to only say the lines in the Nicene Creed ("We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth...") that I could actually get behind with absolute certainty, and I wound up being silent for most of it.

Then there was the Mass where the visiting bishop made some anti-homosexuality remarks, and I left the church angry and frustrated. Fortunately, all of this led to my parents abandoning the Catholic Church (which they later admitted they had taken my brother and me to just to provide us with some religious education -- for which I'm thankful) -- and for a couple of years late in high school, we went to a Unitarian Church instead, but not with as much regularity.

I've never considered myself an atheist, though in those initial years of wrestling with my beliefs, I was somewhat disdainful of organized religion. In college, though, I met some friends who identified as Christians but were liberal and intellectual and could defend their belief system way better than the kids I grew up with, and this made me a lot more sympathetic to religious belief in general. And for the last few years, I've been attracted to the notion of some kind of universal guiding principle, though I wouldn't call it "God" because of the connotations that term has. It's probably safe to say that I've always been agnostic.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

god is not a thing.

god is not a thing then whats with the 'He' and 'Him' and we're made in his image.

because if you want to say god is the universe, the energy of the universe, the science of the universe, i can get behind that. i wouldn't be calling it 'god' though. unless i was in a 12 step program.

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

My parents actively told me that there is no God, and that Christianity is stupid. I never believed in God, and have never been to church (except empty ones, as a tourist). Which is interesting, cos most athiests don't actively prosetylize against it - but mine did. I've never had a girlfriend or close friends that would call themselves religious in any way, either.

paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I had trouble dealing with the fact that my most recent girlfriend was such an unrepentant atheist. Which is not to say I'd have been more comfortable with a strict conservative Christian, but I yearned for some glimmer of a spiritual side.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think god has much to do with being spiritual

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

I did this online test, and according to metaphysics my vision of God is totally feasible, if a little rubbish (kinda like the Watcher, but without all the interventions!):

http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/whatisgod.htm

jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

True, sunny, but most atheists I know also have no use for spirituality at all, given that what's led them to atheism is a predominating belief in logic and rationality.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

logic and rationality don't preclude spirituality either! but i think i see what you mean.

inert false cat (sleep), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

drop the logic and rationality, and call it a lack of physical evidence/trends of proof, and I see what you mean. Anything could happen really, couldn't it? (or have I read/watched too much science fiction?)

jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Can I ask you, what exactly is this spirituality you talk about? Because it's a rather vague word.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember ever believing in god. Strangely enough I used to believe in some sort of afterlife (probably out of wishful thinking as much as anything else), but I think that stopped in my early teens.

chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

exactly Tuomas. Embrace the vagueness.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha that philosophersnet test pinpointed the exact thing i'm conflicted about with god.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I see spirituality partially as a belief in some greater force beyond what we can see or prove, but also just an embrace of the ineffable in general.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

god is the universe, the energy of the universe, the science of the universe

these are all still things! it's a slippery point, we can only orient ourselves to Being through particular beings, through our almost empirical experience of things, but this never accounts for the possibility of the things themselves.

what are the conditions of possibility for science, a universe, energy, etc?

why is there something rather than nothing? why anything at all?

we can't answer these questions, and to attempt an answer to to automatically orient ourselves to particular things in the universe, of which, i think, god is not one.

ryan (ryan), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Like like the the the death
Air crickets air crickets air crickets air crickets air

Mother and child with magazine
Into a story, into a dream
Why is there something instead of nothing
And how is the asking built into the hunting?

Do you believe in MGM endings
Everybody's coming back to Xmas for Texas
Folks who've watched their mother kill an animal know
That their home is surrounded by places to go
(and the west has made a deal with the sun).

My life at home very day:
Drinking Coke in a kitchen with a dog
Who doesn't even know his name.
Oh right it could've been anyone
Grass rabbits grass rabbits grass rabbits grass rabbits grass

Nobody cares about a dead hooker
Looking like one, standing for money
Life finds a limit at the edge of our bodies
A stranger begins wherever I see her.

Let's live where the indoors and outdoors meet
All the kids in the commonwealth are free.
Every morning you forgive me, every evening you relive me
And the pattern itself is what you give me
(the morning has cut a deal with the east).

Like like the the the death
Air crickets air crickets air crickets air crickets air

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

ryan, i think your idea of god is far more advanced than the average christian's. most believers in god will tell you they have a personal relationship with 'Him'. this i dont get.

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

YSI, sunny? I heard that song a long time ago and quite liked it but haven't heard it since.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

sure, but it will have to wait til tonight. work comp no like mac formatted ipod.

sunny successor (katharine), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

'S cool.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

the end of my christian faith was maybe 6-12 month process that took place sometime in the past few years. i am agnostic now.

inert false cat (sleep), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Probably every age. At least once every six months or so, but it really depends what I'm doing that year.

like in Mark 9:24 where some man says “I believe; help my unbelief!”

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)


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