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take note, astute and aspiring bloggers!

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hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

thankfully music blogs aren't anywhere near popular enough to be relevant to the article.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

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Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

there's an interesting point here -- about media and readership and the finiteness of formats -- almost totally buried under a very extremely fatuous perspective

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I weep for the poor masses who can only earn "comfortable five-figure income(s)" from blogging. What an unfair world.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

hstencil's kickass blog

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Not that I got beyond the second page, but ... I'm missing the buried interesting point! This reads like a full feature explaining why the stores on Main Street get more business than the ones on the outskirts of town.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

Reading this was a bit like reading stories about expats in Prague in 1995 complaining big business was pushing them out of their hovels. At once vaguely romantic and a big fat 'uh-DUH.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, and I meant the spatial thing as an offhand metaphor, but the more I think about it, the more appropriate it seems. The internet really isn't above spatial organization; all those clusters of links are creating high-traffic routes and low-traffic ones, and that can make all the difference in readership. The internet makes it a whole lot easier to suddenly shift into the high-traffic zone, but the issue of getting those links is still totally a matter of location, location, location.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

Snow Crash to thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

the net has no outskirts nabisco!

(except obviously yes it does but they are temporal rather than geographical)

the buried interesting point is that at least i interlinked zones of the net to-be-inspired-by-x = to-add-to-x's-readership (rather than to siphon it off, as you'd expect a competitor to do out in storeworld)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

That bit's definitely true, Mark, yeah. But the internet does have outskirts! Especially given that most search engines calculate rankings based in part on links. A site without inbound links is in just the same position as a badly located store: it's out of the way of general foot traffic, and it's actually harder to find.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

i only got to page 2 too. pretty bland article.

even if you could work for yourself and pull in a passable salary, waking up at dawn in your east village apt each morning to blog about paris hilton and linday lohan.. that just sounds like some awful level of hell.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

The main thing, though, seems to be that the first guy has totally forgotten what he's selling (or maybe he remembers it on the third page, I dunno): these celeb blogs are just chit-chat. And there are completely rational reasons why the bulk of people like to get their chit-chat from the same place -- so they can talk about it! It's the same feedback loop with most publications that people talk about; if other people aren't reading it, the product's actually less useful to you.

Cf the main reason why the Times shouldn't have hidden its columnists behind the subscription service: the reason people blog and link and argue about them isn't necessarily that they're better than other papers', it's just that they're what everyone blogs and links and argues about. It's just conversational inertia, really, which seems pretty natural and sensible.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

yes but if you think about it is it that much worse than refreshing ilx all day? (not making implications about anyone but myself here....)

(xpost)

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

that's not my blog, sanskrit. : /

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

just come clean bro, we'll still love you.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)


Frankenstein and power laws

I'm delighted that New York magazine has at last seen fit to talk about Clay Shirky's very important ideas about blogging and power laws. I've spoken about this in several essays (Pluricide, Frankenstein and power laws, and a Wired News piece about blogging) and even started an ILE thread on the subject, Pluricide and power laws (December 2003).

The discussion was mostly between myself and Ann Sterzinger, Ned, Mark S, Nabisco and hstencil apparently preferring to wait two years for New York magazine to talk about power laws in the context of making lots of money before offering opinions on the subject.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, we were just sleepy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

If people had read Shirky, who shows that equality of opportunity and equality of result are totally different things, they might lose less sleep battling on, for instance, the Betty Friedan thread over precisely this point.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

If smaller bloggers wanted to decrease the weight of those big blogs and maybe equalize things a little more, they could conspire to remove links to the big blogs on their own sites.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

the power-law stuff did remind me of you, momus. probably not in the way you'd like it to, though.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

I mean it seems like common sense to me that in supposedly "free markets" you often end up with a cluster of giants whose power perpetuates itself. That's why we have anti-trust laws, after all. So if it's a competitive atmosphere, the last thing you want to do is give free advertising to the big competitor that's crowding you out, and yet many small bloggers do this.

On the other hand, small bloggers can mutually benefit by advertising each other -- sort of like how independent booksellers created that "Book Sense" thingamabob.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

the last thing you want to do is give free advertising to the big competitor that's crowding you out, and yet many small bloggers do this

true, but I guess it's a tragedy of the commons situation. it's much more valuable for each individual blogger to make sycophantic backlinks to the major players, because if even one reciprocates, it's worth several magnitudes of traffic and google indexing more than many links from their peers.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like a losing battle to me -- what motivation does the big blogger have to link the little guy? I'm not involved in blogging, but if I were I'd start a mass e-mail to small bloggers and get a campaign going to de-link the megablogs.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Momus I am officially patting you on the back for being ahead of the curve, good on you man, all these other people are dumb and you are smart! Fuck these assholes for thinking about something when you already did all that thinking a long time ago.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)


that's just it, they have no motivation at all. plus, a heavyweight is too busy to pore through their logs to see where new sources of traffic are coming from.

i'm not any huge fan of momus, but his http://imomus.livejournal.com/ looks well rendered and intelligently written. I'm surprised only 17 people link to him (via technorati). Compare that to the lowest common denominator Stereogum, with 5,279 linkers. Plenty of bloggers are out there waiting to latch on to a teat like that.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to abbadavid

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's a livejournal, people don't wanna link to livejournals - a silly bias in my opinion, but the equality of opportunity/equality of result schpiel actually applies there: if he'd reserve themomus.com or something and put it up on a Moveable Type interface, his links would grow exponentially

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not any huge fan of momus, but his http://imomus.livejournal.com/ looks well rendered and intelligently written. I'm surprised only 17 people link to him (via technorati).

Ahem, far be it from me to blow my own trumpet, harumph, tata, but my LJ is in the Top 20 of all LiveJournals, as measured by inbound links. I think that 17 figure is something to do with the fact that LJ recently changed all the addresses of LJ users (they now have the format http://username.livejournal.com) and only 17 people have linked to me since that change in protocol (very recent).

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, Moebius Rex is in the top ten! Good for him.

It's funny that this article just pretended as though livejournal didn't exist, and accounts for a MASSIVE chunk of that large pool of "c-list" blogs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

yeah agreed that new lj address formula is so much better than the welcome-to-1995 multiple-slash stuff

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

Momus, out of curiosity, what made you choose to do your blog as a livejournal?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

Get 'em while they're young (and goth)!

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

had no idea momus, that did look odd.


there is of course one argument that blows a nice sized hole into much of this. it's likely that the major blogs are so often linked because small time bloggers are using their link list as a de facto bookmarking system for their own convenience.

excluding often read big name blogs for nebulous notions of "justice" while adding in unproven first-timers would make these sorts of bookmark lists pretty worthless.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

i like that urge logo a lot. it reminds me of

http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/wgbhscenics/gallery/gallery_images/PBS/NOVA.jpg

kanye twitty (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

better one:

http://www.schools.utah.gov/curr/science/teacherresources/pbs.ht2.jpghttp://p2pnet.net/story_images/7310.jpg

kanye twitty (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

Arf, Momus, if you really want to be a diva about the Friedan thread just go ahead and revive it -- it'll give me an excuse to post revised lyrics for "Lolitapop Dollhouse."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I wanna read those!

I think in retrospect that was a terribly misogynist song, and situation. There I was writing this patronising song for a girl singer, making her ask permission to "tear her playhouse down". Putting that "rebellious" message into her mouth, without her having any input. Left to her own devices, Kahimi wrote songs about trapeze artists and her dog, not about "busting out" of the "dollhouse" of femininity. (Ibsen to thread here.)

"Tell me I'm allowed to play the Fender Jaguar like the Velvet Underground" (a desire to be Sterling Morrison rather than Nico, presumably, though I know which of those I'd rather be) might seem best answered by the quote Madonna spliced into "Justify My Love": "Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another." But that won't do either, because (apart from talking about "the man" rather than "the woman") it's a highly individualist stance which says there's something wrong with dependency and collectivism, both things the Japanese perspective I was trying to put on the Friedan thread celebrates. How about "Rich is the person whose dependence on others is rewarded with kindness"?

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

"Tell me I'm allowed to play the Fender Jaguar like the Velvet Underground"

(Also, the penis envy hardly needs to be excavated there. What does it mean when a man writes penis envy into a song for a woman?)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

Get 'em while they're young (and goth)!
-- Momus (nic...), February 13th, 2006 10:59 PM. (Momus)

Ewwww...

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

Go on, why don't you post a tabloid article saying I once knew a young person? Disgusting, isn't it?

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
what'd the delay with Urge?

I thought I had read somewhere that it was starting in March? I know tons of ILX people are going to write for it, so how come it's almost May 1st and no launch yet?

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's being quietly launched in a couple weeks, and then it will be promoted during the summer.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK YOU, FAT MICROSOFT SHILL

JW (ex machina), Friday, 28 April 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm looking to go from blogs to bitchez.

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

yeah jinx, where is it, we're waiting with baited fuckin' breath.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

what kind of bait did you use?

estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

dunno it was incompatible :(

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

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