Come anticipate Michel Gondry's "The Science of Sleep" with me

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all i have at the moment is this picture:

http://jetzt.sueddeutsche.de/upl/images/user/christina-kretschmer/222336.jpg

― Yawn (Wintermute), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

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― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

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― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

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― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

strong reviews so far:

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=features2006&content=jump&jump=review&head=sundance&nav=RSundance&articleid=VE1117929332
http://www.timeout.com/film/news/872.html
http://www.ioncinema.com/beta/review.php?id=486

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.cinempire.com/multimedia/science-of-sleep/images/05.jpg

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

― inert false cat (sleep), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.director-file.com/gondry/foo2.jpg

― Barnet's greatest ever pimp (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

adam the movie is based on that video!

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I read that...somehwere.

― Barnet's greatest ever pimp (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

This has a lot of stuff about it...
http://www.director-file.com/gondry/science.html

― Ned T, Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

ah. two friends of mine have been working day/night on that film's post production for over a year !

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

anticipating this film is keeping me alive during my canker sore hell. granted it's only been three days, but i expect it will keep my alive through day to day malaise as well. if not, well, there's always... nope... nothing else.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Is it written by Kaufman?

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

i'm actually really happy it's not written by kaufman. i get annoyed at the way charlie kaufman's scripts are the biggest things praised about his movies. i have a feeling that maybe michel doesn't have as good a feel for dialogue or narrative, but i also have a feeling what story there is, and the visual freedom he'll have will allow him to do something better than anything he's done before.

that being said, the rumor that kaufman and spike jonze are working on a horror movie is actually really exciting.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

crazy clip

― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

This movie is going to be so amazing.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 11 March 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

trailer and clips

http://www.gaumont.fr/films/sleep/extrait.html

― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

WOW

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 June 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's in bloomin foreign!

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 26 June 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

charlotte gainsbourg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 June 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

WOWOWOWOWOW

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

i really like charlotte gainsbourg but have a severely bad feeling 'bout this. am more up for the jack black thing.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/thescienceofsleep/hd/

English language trailer

― Jimmy Mod: NOIZE BOARD GRIL COMPARISON ANALYST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 21 July 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Completely insane. I might be more excited for this than Miami Vice. Maybe.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

saw the preview before A Scanner Darkly - looks pretty great actually, altho perhaps a little twee (twee-er than Eternal Sunshine, anyway - which was probably the only genuinely moving "romantic comedy" I've seen since "Harold & Maude")

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 July 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

looks ridiculous

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 21 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

twee-er than Eternal Sunshine, anyway

that's how the trailer struck me, too .... could be great or could be sub-Amelie

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 21 July 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Saw this last night - it's actually fantastic! To my mind it is a little darker than Amelie and has more humour to it than Eternal Sunshine. I'd go so far as to say I enjoyed it more than either of those films, it's really worth checking anyhow.

― Bn1 (Bn1), Monday, 24 July 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

er, am i being thick or has the whole thing been shot in french & english? like two versions?

― zappi (joni), Monday, 24 July 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

Is it really based on that Foo Fighters video? Cos if so I'm so there.

― Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Monday, 24 July 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) yes and yes

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 24 July 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I've just seen it and yeah, it is rather twee. As Bn1 says upthread it really has a lot more humour to it than Eternal Sunshine. Lots of funny dialogue. The audience laughed quite a lot throughout the movie. There are, as you'd expect in a Gondry movie, crazy visual things happening all the time, though they look a lot cheaper than the visual tricks in ESOTSM (at least the dream parts look cheaper). Overall I thoroughly enjoyed it but I'm willing to bet a lot of people will be put off by its weird cuteness or whatever you feel like calling it.

― Jibé (Jibé), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Saw this last night. I liked it, but damned twee innit.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't love this film, but it was definitely much more enjoyable and less overwrought than Eternal Sunshine, probably just because Jim Carrey isn't in it. I still feel like Michel Gondry is way too clever for his own good. I doubt he'll ever top Dave Chapelle's Block Party, which has all the warmth that he's tried to put into his narrative films without any of the annoying visual gimmicks. I have to say that I didn't buy into Bernal's character and couldn't find any believable justification for his pathological dishonesty, which is why I think the writing was a bit weak. His performance was great though, and Charlotte Gainsbourg was absolutely charming.

― Hatch (Hatch), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

gondry *is* visual 'gimmicks'.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

good thing too.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Hatch sort of OTM in the sense of Gondry's feature films, of which I think Block Party is the best. But I think all of Gondry's music videos mostly trump his films. It's his metier.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Probably the only studio film of the fall I'm eager for besides Borat.

Having seen no Gondry besides Eternal Sunshine, one of the most soulful films of the last decade (overwrought?), I'm just interested in finding out if that was mostly Kaufman and the actors.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

with Morbs on this one. Altho I hesitate to chalk Eternal Sunshine's greatness to Kaufman, given how bad "Adaptation" was. This looks a little treacly, but maybe (hopefully?) that aspect is over-represented in the preview.

Eternal Sunshine is pretty much the sole movie I've found truly romantic over the last 10 years or so.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

besides pornos you mean

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

obv

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

suffice it to say, i think this will go over well with all the local indie saddo crafty-types.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I generally like to see filmmakers on a studio budget use "visual gimmicks" outside of the mainstream science-fiction / fantasy realm. Kinda like all those "audio gimmicks" you music fans are probably fond of.

Mo, Adaptation wasn't bad, just 20 redundant minutes too long.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

maybe yr right. I just remember being disappointed that it didn't get all pomo at the end with the "dumb" twin surviving to take the "smart" twin's place and finish the screenplay by turning it into the cheesy movie the audience was watching. (if that makes any sense - altho I think I recall some ILMer arguing that this IS what happens, just that it isn't explicitly spelled out, but that's not how it came across to me.)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

A month after seeing this film the only things I can remember clearly are Charlotte Gainsbourg and Alain Chabat.

― Jibé (Jibé), Saturday, 9 September 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

'adaptation' is great.

'block party' is a fucking documentary/concert movie. i guess it's 'feature-length' but calling it a 'gondry movie' is pushing it, really.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

i can't understand why Morbius wants to see the Borat film.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 11 September 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Having seen no Gondry besides Eternal Sunshine, one of the most soulful films of the last decade (overwrought?), I'm just interested in finding out if that was mostly Kaufman and the actors.

is your answer. he will use science to tell us how much it's larry charles, how much todd phillips, etc.

― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

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Not QUITE TMI and yet. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this review, even tho the reviewer liked the film more than i did. Some of the lines are great:
Then, there are those of us, like Bernal in the movie, who have a compulsive need to be overly honest, who can't resist revealing our worst traits, even when we're not asked. We want to fail because it's easier that succeeding and living with the fear that failure is still ahead.
[...]

[The flick] made me want to be young again and so in love that I hated myself.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 9 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

It's quite pleasurable and I esp like the last note of melancholy, but it's minor next to Eternal Sunshine, partly cuz these two can't touch Carrey and Winslet as actors.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, see, but Carrey doesn't own Garcia Bernal's mouth and lips.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

no, he rents.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

STRAIGHT GARBAGE

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Morbs OTM! Saw this this weekend, my feelings exactly. I did appreciate the anti-romcom/ambiguous ending and there was plenty to like, but it did feel sorta slight and inert.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

also Gainsbourg looks like Patti Smith wtf

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

how do i reconcile the fact that i never want to see this precious piece of shit of a movie with the fact that i would like to continue having sex with girls

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

have you seen it? its be meeeee-shell GAWN-dree! we should go see it!

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

were you eavesdropping on me last tuesday night?

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

its not all that precious. Most precious moments are promptly punctured by something totally off-color and inappropriate.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

here is where i admit i fell asleep half way through.

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

ethan you need to invest in some of those glasses homer wore to freddy quimby's trial.

― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

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― gear (gear), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

it's hard to say it's "precious" given

SPOILER

Bernal's climactic heartbreak followed by escape into dreamworld

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

The end is awful. Just awful.

I liked it, otherwise.

― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

not so good, there.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

DVD out Feb. 6.

― Maltodextrin (Maltodextrin), Saturday, 3 February 2007 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

the end as in the very end? the very very end? I liked it

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 3 February 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this a lot.

Based on this, I'd say Charlotte Gainsbourg should stick to movies rather than music.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 3 February 2007 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

twee-er than Eternal Sunshine, anyway

OTMFMFMFMFMFMFM and C. Gainsbourg's voice ended up grating like nobody's business! All the Belle and Sebastian fans will will love this film. It was damn near syrup. Like Garden State but with prettier accents.

I think various individual moments trump the film as a whole, but still enjoyable.

Ned speaks for me here. Anything with Guy or the office crew but when it was the two of them together no. I enjoyed parts of it but I will now happily avoid anything by Gondry on his own.

She is the spitting image of Patti Smith! I was taken aback every time.

― kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I anticipated this film more than any I can remember, even though Eternal Sunshine was a strange disappointment to me. I think maybe I knew that because I liked the actors involved so much more this time, that it wouldn't fall down for me in that respect. Also, maybe I'm not in the mood for Charlie Kaufman anymore.

So, I loved it as I knew I would. I know its charms are more subtle. It's not got that big tour de force feel of Eternal Sunshine. It's a more humble film, sort of mirroring Stephane's shyness.

I went to see it twice and liked it even more the second time, which is unusual for me - usually knowing what's coming takes the fun out films for me, but with this it was like getting to know a friend better.

And it was so funny! The whole way the pretending-not-to-live-across-the-hallway thing develops and comes to a head when the (so wonderful together!) girls get him to come over with another trick ...

Even though the 3D glasses "yeah, but come on" line made me laugh so much every time I heard it (it was in the trailer too) I didn't pick up on the resonance of it till I read a little interview with Gondry where he said:

He makes these great things for Stephanie. But he’s so into his own world that when he tries to be with her it doesn’t work. She has a down-to-earth quality that makes his neurosis a little scary for her. You can see their difference when he says that the glasses allow you to see real life in 3D, and she says, “Life is in 3D already.” She’s more aware of what’s out there, and he’s more inside, more oblivious.

I love that.

The final scene with Stephanie, where he's trying to be course and retreating back into himself and all his failings was heartbreaking. Gael Garcia Bernal was amazing throughout. Perfect casting, too. I'm glad it wasn't Rhys Ifans as orginally planned. For a bit, I thought maybe it's a was cheat for Stephane to be played by someone so good-looking, but actually I think it makes the whole thing more poignant, if anything.

I haven't read the rest of this thread.

― Alba, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

Gael Garcia Bernal was amazing throughout.

i thought he was wonderful - he reminded me of Robin Williams circa Mork And Mindy in places, in his naivety and imagination.

― stevie, Saturday, 24 March 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

I really hate to say this, but this movie maybe would have been good only on mushrooms. A cliche, and it's sad it's all I can say about the film. Besides yum yum eye candy leads...maybe if I hadn't had sex in 8 months I would've liked it more?

― Abbott, Saturday, 24 March 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Gael Garcia Bernal was amazing throughout. Perfect casting, too. I'm glad it wasn't Rhys Ifans as orginally planned.

I didn't know that, he would have been awful.

― Nicole, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

Oof, yeah, agreed there...

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

I would have spent the whole movie rooting for Stephanie to run him over with a steamroller.

― Nicole, Saturday, 24 March 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

I would've liked it more if it had bothered to have a story. It didn't bore me though.

― chap, Sunday, 25 March 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

i thought the movie was great! guess i'm in the minority

― modestmickey, Monday, 26 March 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

Oh man I loved this movie! I wish I worked with Guy.

― nickalicious, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Guy is one of my favorite characters ever. Great movie. Very bitter-sweet.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

this is so bad, infantilist, sexist.

i listened to the commentary, which basically confirms that gondry really shouldn't write for himself.

the film is very autobiographical and MG is all "but the girl is so mean!" and charlotte g is like "... ech" and even gael, who plays the creep, is like "she has a point".

cos the main character is a terrible creep.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

That is an infantilist objection!

― Alba, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

the end of the film says basically "men just want to be mothered". is there a single scene that addresses what CG's character might want out of life?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

okay mtp from the relationship he keeps trying to thrust on her?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

But he's so loveable and kooky!

― Neil S, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

no.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

charlotte g is loveable in that wollen dress thing tho.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, okay. I did find this film quite affecting, even if Bernal's character is, as you say, basically a creep. Surely his creepiness to some extent receives its comeuppance?

― Neil S, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe you feel insecure about aspects of yourself you don't like being too close to Stephane or something. I think that's often the case when people (including myself) feel the need to dismiss films on the dubious grounds that they don't approve of the lead character's actions.

― Alba, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

story-wise, he's just lost his father, so i am maybe being a bit harsh -- if i were judging him as a person rather than a character. if he's acting out, then okay, the film sort of avoids talking about that -- and more interestingly completely avoids dealing with his relationship with his mother! he has come back from mexico at her bidding presumably coz she needs a bit of support, and she has fixed him up with work, and he lives (rent free?) in her building. but we don't seem to see any of their relationship, *and* he's looking a surrogate mother in the girl next door. wtf.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

it's not about disapproving of the lead's actions as such, but about the film's attitude to them, its presentation of them.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

not helped by gael being visibly uncomfortable in the role.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, he was a bit mis-cast. I found it hard to swallow him being so awkward with the laydeez.

― Neil S, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

He was not remotely uncomfortable in the role! He totally inhabited it. He was uncomfortable because he character was uncomfortable.

― Alba, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

I do honestly say that on the basis of what I saw, but I've also read about how personal a project it was for Bernal, and how closely he worked with Gondry on the characterisation.

― Alba, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

part of my thinking there is the number of languages/accents. but i did think he was uncomfortable (though tbh i don't think much of him as an actor in the first place, and this was a demanding role with all the 'studio inside his head' shenanigans). whereas jim carrey -- whose character was less of a creep anyway -- was totally right in 'eternal sunshine'.

xpost

i'm surprised by that re. gael's contribution.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 9 November 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Ugh shit. I agree with Enrique here, apart from the bit about Gael being uncomfortable in the role. His character reminded me too much of people I've known in real life and the film was too sympathetic towards him to without actually containing much real insight into his character or motives beyond 'O HAI I AM TOTALLY INADEQUATE BUT I LOVE YOOOOOU'. Dude is a creepy stalker, stop being so indie and deal with it.

On the other hand, I laughed at almost every single scene with Guy in it. He was brilliant, especially that scene where he turns up in the bar wearing a leather jacket covered in badges over his shirt and tie.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:53 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

just watched this. definitely enjoyed.

― PappaWheelie V, Thursday, 22 January 2009 05:57 (seventeen years ago)

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