at what age does it become more normal to be in a relationship than single?

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I ask because several of my friends have been in relationships for a long time, but the weird thing is that ten people within this social circle have paired off into five couples and made their status known just in the last week and a half. Last year most of my friends were single, now I can count my single friends on my fingers. It's very weird to me. Is it a Valentine's Day thing, or a "we're grown up 18-22 year olds getting serious about life" thing, or what?

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's a bit weird for you to be experiencing that in college. I feel like it's only become true for people I know in the last year or so (I turn 27 next month).

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

The Buddhists say 'When the student is ready, the teacher appears. When the teacher is ready, the student appears.'

I wouldn't sweat it.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

among the geographically/socially-limited people I know, it's far later than that

perhaps it has to do with the restricted bounds of your environment, or the places from which people are extracted?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm the only person in my six-member band that's not in a relationship. Two are getting married this summer, and another is practically engaged (though not quite).

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not saying i really want to be in a relationship. i can be quite happy on my own, and i haven't acted on my urges to flirt lately because i'm going abroad so soon and don't want to start anything. it's just this paranoid feeling of, "whoa, am i 5 years less mature than everyone else here all of a sudden? i hope they don't start doing couples-only parties!"

xpost there's the saying that if you can't get laid in college, you never will.

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

16

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm in my mid 30s and there's still plenty people breaking up, being single, being happy single (or bitter and sad single). I have *very* few married friends and even less with kids.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but that's Australia.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

"we're grown up 18-22 year olds getting serious about life"

Am I the only one who laughed out loud at this?

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the mere fact of being in a relationship has anything to do with maturity or seriousness or being an adult or whatever.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say much older than 16 (maybe 20-21), but then on reflection it struck me that it's probably no fixed age really, however I do think these things are contagious among groups of friends, to whatever extent you can dismiss coincidence as a factor.

I know myself and 2 other friends both began our current relationships within about 3 weeks of each other about a year ago. Was kind of weird actually, especially everyone meeting!

But I have definitely, DEFINITELY had times in the past, (like loads of times!) where I thought "wtf everyone I know is going out with someone".

I never really thought "what is wrong with me" in detail though I did wonder if I was somehow different for it to take me longer to find a relationship, which is reasonable I guess, I suppose it's best not to do this negatively.

It tends to hit home most when you're staying in because a whole load of friends are out with their partners, but now I am in a relationship I don't really think I suddenly discovered the secret or anything.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

However, please note that you're asking A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET about NORMAL RELATIONSHIPS. Might as well quiz Dick Cheney about gun safety.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Dick Cheney probably knows alot about gun safety.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Why in fucks name do some people still persist in this idea that if you're "on the internet" you must be some kind of drooling, basement-dwelling tard who couldn't get laid if they tried?

I mean, my GRANDAD uses the internet nowdays for gods sake. Quit it with the "haha internet mentalists would have no idea" cocksuckery already, its old.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry forks, not ranting at you personally, just think it is a tired cliche)

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Your grandad's not on ILX though.

I guess the age at which more of my friends were in a relationship than were single was late 20s some time. But these things (at least with quite a few of my friends) are always in flux.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

First age, I guess I mean. Clumsy sentence.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, well i can't go around asking my friends in relationships can i? "excuse me dudes, how nice for you, but what the fuck is going on here? was there a memo? a subliminal message on tv?" (i think it has something to do with my social group being infused with a bunch of very assertive freshmen, though. so perhaps it's not as random as i seems.)

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

There's nothing worse when couples give out that 'We've decided that it's time to grow up' - couple as a sign of maturity - vibe.

(Well actually there is - "Why don't you find a girlfriend so you can come away on holiday with us?")

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Trayce, I'm on the internet a great deal and have a pretty darn active love life; it's a trope. But there was some sting there!

I'm still on the idea that the question itself is a lot like "when should I have lost my virginity by?" It's less about what all your friends are doing and more about what makes you happy. I'm sure you're fine Maria.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

och bob, has someone said that to you?

and thanks, i know that i am fine. i don't regret my choices or fear i'll never get another date. i'm just surprised suddenly, and the question was me wondering whether this is a weird fluke, or something i'd better get used to as the general state of social circles from now on.

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Fair enough. FWIW, I just cracked thirty and know all number of single people, both from work and as friends. But then, that's NY for you.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

the weird thing is that ten people within this social circle have paired off into five couples and made their status known just in the last week and a half.

Answer to the thread question: when your friends stop coupling up within their immediate social circle, 90210-style. It becomes more difficult to do this after college (unless you're on 90210).

I think there's something to the age 26-27 thing ... almost all of my married friends were serious with their partners by that age.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Mary Gaitskill said something in an interview or somewhere about how it was better for her now that she's in a relationship because people think single older women are weird. Not that she really cared or anything; it was just her way of making light of it. But there is something deathless about it. Not that I want to die. It's the opposite of the sense of 'spent' in the beginning of "The Dead."

youn, Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

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Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

I need to FAP with Forks. Within the last two years literally everyone I know has completed the trifecta -- married, kids, property ownership -- practially in lockstep. I sit on their couches and they look at me sympathetically: "We still like you, in theory at least, even though you're not with the program and we have no time anymore for any of the things that interest or concern you."

Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

See if anyone I knew genuinely had that attitude (and really, even my married best friend isnt like that at all), I'd not wanna be friends with them anymore anyhow :)

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say. My circles of friendship around here really makes for a mix and match -- some have all the 'trifecta' down, others none, others in between etc., but we all get along quite well as people, first and foremost. Are you sure they're really thinking that, Mitya, or is it just how you seem to think they must be reacting?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

This is a useful thread - I just realised that this has very subtely started being true for my group of friends (we're about 22?).

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

i'd say mid 20s (24-26). the bulk of single people i know/am aware of are under 25.

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

My gf and I (both 26, been together 4 years) used to know tons of couples, and now most of them have broken up. I think there's only one couple we know that's been together longer than us, and they're married now.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

funny how everyone's friendship groups are different. i reckon my friends are about half and half - maybe leaning slightly more towards single. at 29 i'm the youngest of my close friends, though the wider group has a greater variety of ages and some of those younger than me are coupled. and none of the coupled ones have lost their interests or look at me sympathetically, not that i've noticed anyway. that would really give me the shits if they did.

gem (trisk), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

I have avoided this thread. Maybe mostly because I don't believe in normalcy - it's all really random in truth, isn't it? I think it is. And even if people are all coupled up, are they all happy? Or maybe I have avoided this thread b/c thinking about such things is way less fun than thinking about the winter olympics.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

i agree - if not random, normalcy is certainly a relative term. i would have thought it utterly ABnormal if any of my mates settled into couplehood and having kids at 18-22. i thought my brother was insane for getting married even at 25. but everyone is different aren't they. i'd stick with the winter olympics rrrobyn!

gem (trisk), Thursday, 16 February 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

it seems to go through phases, with a couple of constants on either side (this specific posse = 25ish-35ish i guess, been a posse since 20ish-30ish): two couples who've been together pretty much the whole time we've all known each other, a few more who got together between then and now, some married, some not (but are to all intents and purposes), one currently ending, with me and one or two others being single pretty much the whole time and everyone else switching between the two. i don't feel weird about it, but then none of the couples are awful coupley-couples who can't do anything without the other one being there and think of anyone not in a couple as a social grotesque.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 February 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Why in fucks name do some people still persist in this idea that if you're "on the internet" you must be some kind of drooling, basement-dwelling tard who couldn't get laid if they tried?

It's maybe projection on his part. *wink wink*

To answer the question: I would assume once you hit 30, it seems strange that you are't or have never been in a long relationship maybe? I know that once you hit your 30s people do start to question why a particular person hasn't had a girlfriend or isn't married yet. BUt this tends to be older people who make those remarks. I remember hearing a guy (in his fifty) say: When we were in our twenties and you weren't married, you were a lost case in my time. I could only giggle and breathe a huge sigh of relief. I think nowadays it isn't frowned upon (just like remaining childless). *shrug*

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 16 February 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Don't worry Maria, they will all break up in junior year of college either just before or while studying abroad.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

It always seems to come in waves. Some of my friends got married during or at the end of college. I've ran into a few people who have made claims that "all of" their friends were getting married (all the while having a desperate look in their eyes). I have more friends who have coupled off in the few years following college. Then I have yet more friends who are still single and around 30. It can be a group pressure thing, but I think it's more that people in a group tend to think about maturity and life in the same way.

That said, a lot of the coupled friends still shy away from marriage and most of the married ones have no intention of having children at this time.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone else get sad when thinking it's been 10+ yrs since they were in college. Where the fuck does the time go?!?

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

I get sad thinking it's been one year.

especially if I think what I've done in that year.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Haha zing.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

haha Ronan otm.
Also Maria otm, this happened in my friend circle (late-college early 'real life')

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

There's an upper limit too, after which most people will become single again because of their prtner dying. There are a lot more old women than old men, so maybe after 70 say it's 'normal' to be single again.

mei (mei), Friday, 17 February 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jaymc, if you want I can send you a wallet-sized picture of me and you can call me your Canadian girlfriend.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

But it can be an open relationship, I can be cool like that.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

"we're grown up 18-22 year olds getting serious about life"

Am I the only one who laughed out loud at this?

No

I don't intend to ever get too serious about 'life'.

It's wierd. I appear to be going to a lot of weddings this year. However most entering into marriage seem to be at least slightly older than me. However there's a fair proportion of my friends in no relationship or in unconventional relationships, right across the age spectrum.

Ed (dali), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Normality is not a great wheeze anyhow.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

What is normal anyway?

Do you judge your life and your decisions by what your friends do, or by what feels right for you?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

While hte question was kind of annoying, you know perfectly well what was meant: "normal" not in a judgmental sense, but in the sense of "more common" or "more likely."

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know what was meant and I kind of resent the idea that I somehow must have. But I *really* resent the idea that "everybody does it" = "normal".

There are loads of things that loads people do every day that make no sense to me whatsoever, so I cannot bring myself to conceive of them as normal, no matter how normative or generalised they might be.

Some days I walk down Streatham High Street and I don't understand how all this city sprawl and cars and buildings can even be normal, it's all artificial and I can see the "real" London struggling to get out in all the trees and grass growing in the cracks.

But that's a derailment.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Think of the word normal like as in a normal distribution curve or summat.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Just because you put it in maths terminology doesn't mean I'll understand it.

That's means and modes and bell curves, not "normal".

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

I would just replace 'normal' with 'common' in the thread title to save argument.

It's not a great question though. If anything is not normal it's the situation Maria described re her friends all coming out as couples in the same week. I suppose VD (arf) may have been a factor but still.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Nothing (too) personal, Kate. I don't like the "not doing what everybody else does" = not "normal" either, and this question is particularly stinging since I am noticeably older and single. I just didn't see the point in attacking someone who is insecure about being alone, even if they are somewhat ridiculously doing so when they are (apparently) 18-22.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

POSH PEOPLE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS, TOO!!!

'x-post

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm 26. Some of my friends have always been in longterm relationships since they were 15 (sometimes with the same partner). Some are still single (both my brothers, in their mid-to-late-30s). Some still flit from one fling to another. I was always single until four and a half years ago, since then one relationship which I'm still in.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I feel a much stronger division between my friends who have bought a house and those that haven't than between those who are in a relationship and those who aren't.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

HA HA, I HAVE BOUGHT A HOUSE, I AM NORMAL!!!

(Except, amoung my friends, homeowners are waaaayyy in the minority.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

it seems like everyone i went to high school with is married and/or has kids now. lots of my college friends coupled off and got engaged or married towards the end of school. now it seems like the people i hang out with are in all sorts of states of relationships.

i don't really feel any pressure from my peers to couple off but now that my sister is essentially engaged, i'm feeling like i'm lagging behind in terms of my family. it may be because she's my older sister and i've always felt this need to do as well or better than her so i will be noticed. no one in may family really says anything to me about why i'm not in a relationship or whatever, but i sense that some of them wonder about me or pity me. i may be projecting that out of some unconscious want for a real relationship or feeling of inferiority, though. but generally, the only time i feel like i should be married or having kids is when i'm around extended family, like i need to impress them or something. other than that i'm fine working on myself until the right person/situation comes along.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

ilx getting all aggrieved abt semantics rather than answering teh question shocker.

jeffreyhasnoheadleft (johnson), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Tehresa. That's the opposite expectation as in my family: my sister, who is 6 yrs younger than me, is getting married this summer, and iIt says something about our roles that there was never any question she would go first (or solely). Hurrah! My parents would like to get us ALL married off, but they can only handle organizing/paying for one thing at a time.

The original question is pretty much unanswerable, or else it's so drastically subjective that the answer wd be different for every person/social group/environment.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's a bit strange... there's never been any pressure to get married and have kids, but as soon as they realized it was on the horizon for my sister, my entire family became ridiculously happy.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I would definitely warn off getting married b/c of expectations of family. That's largely why I got married the first time: We had been dating forever, were living together, everyone was just waiting,etc. Don't need to illustrate the outcome of that.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh i'm in no hurry. it will happen when it happens. i just mean that it's not something i ever feel bad about except when i'm in the company of my family who think that it's the most amazing thing in the world to get married.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

my family has never pressured me for babies and has pretty much written off the idea. The fact that my younger brother has four really kept them busy enough to leave me alone. Now at 32 though, that is probably my number one goal for near future. The older I get and the more things that happen in life I think, "this is something I could be sharing/experiencing with my child. but I'm not."

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any chance that you're perceiving their genuine happiness on yr sister's behalf as an implied criticism that no one really means? I know this seems obvious, sorry to spell it all out...but it's highly possible that they know that getting married is the most meaningful thing that could happen to your sister right now, while having completely different expectations for you that are just as fulfilling.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

there's definitely a possibility that i'm inventing criticism that's not there. i don't really feel criticized, just that i'm lagging behind in their eyes. but whatever... it's really not a huge deal as i'm more focused on getting into grad school and putting my life on track right now.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, there you go! Grad school!

How much younger are you than your older sister, T?

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

2 years

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

I can see how that's tough -- because you're not far enough apart to be in drastically different stages of your lives. With a 6-year diference, I don't think Katie and I were ever in competition for err, life events, although we were for some other things.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's all very odd especially since we both did undergrad degrees in music at the same school... but anyway, i didn't mean my original statement on this thread to come off as 'woe is me i'm not getting married and my sister is', i was actually noting that i don't feel pressured to get married for the most part, and the only time i feel a hint of it is around family, which, i think, is probably normalcommon.

tehresa (tehresa), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.olgabaclanova.com/pictures/freaks/104_gooble_gobble_med.jpg
one of us one of us

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

My sis and I both six years apart (she's older)and neither of us is close to marrying. She probably has more interest in forming a union that I do, and her social circle is such that most of her friends are married/with kids. She actually had to branch out and make new friends so that she would be able to hang out with people without toddlers present.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)


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