"Without an elite mainstream media, we will lose our memory for things learnt, read, experienced, or heard."

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It says here in Weekly Standard world. Apparently the problem is that too many people are writing, which distresses the author, as does the prospect that more will do so. I ponder at him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

How do you do that, at?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, I've lost the memory of what you just posted.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

[porn deleted]

The Worst Poster Ever, Friday, 17 February 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

WTF?

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch. Really, just ouch.

chap who would dare to be drunk on the internet (chap), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

He has a point - it's a Machiavellian point that's got a lot of icky sticky parts to it, but just read the transcript of the "interview" the douchebag at Radio Blogger did with Helen Thomas today to wonder whether the broader opening of journalism to include, y'know, anybody with a Godaddy is actually a force for good

You of all people Ned should be wondering hard! "New journalism" 2006 = reactionary blowhards browbeating sad liberals 24/7

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

(mind you, dude is also a moron. but there's a point buried under braindead contentions such as "The iPod is undermining the multibillion dollar music industry.")

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

the douchebag at Radio Blogger

Ah, Hugh Hewitt you mean. And he's just up the road from me, as it were.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

This is even crazier than those guys who think blogs are the future.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

In the "Hey, this guy might have a point column":

1. "Blogs personalize media content so that all we read are our own thoughts. Online stores personalize our preferences, thus feeding back to us our own taste."

In the "Are you fucking kidding me?" column:

1. "Consider Alfred Hitchcock's masterpiece, Vertigo and a couple of other brilliantly talented works of the same name Vertigo: the 1999 book called Vertigo, by Anglo-German writer W.G. Sebald, and the 2004 song "Vertigo," by Irish rock star Bono."

2. Everything else in the article.

I think I'm unconvinced...

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just scanned it really quickly, but this guy seems to think that blogs are somhow tools for creating content, rather than distributing it: "technology that arms every citizen with the means to be an opinionated artist or writer." I think crayons and typewriters already did that. Clearly if there's anything new at all, it's not about who's making stuff, but who's seeing it, and he doesn't touch on that much at all.

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

And then of course there's the "OH NO it's 60s radicalism all over again!!!" stuff...

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

also, people have been self-publishing for eons. it's whether anyone reads it that matters.

Lenny and Squiggy Present Lenny and the Squigtones (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Now that people are cooking at home, restaurants will lose their power and all food will be tasteless."

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

I have decided, what with environmental catastrophe and all, not to worry about this.

trappist monkey, Friday, 17 February 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

He's just really, really confused about where the problem sits. So he blusters on about new "technology that enables anyone with a computer to become an author, a film director, or a musician" and "technology that arms every citizen with the means to be an opinionated artist or writer" (umm, pencils? typewriters? guitars? Super-8 cameras?), when his real problem is our consumption. And yeah, it's one of those things you worry about, sure: on some level there's a definite value to people consuming at least some of the same information, since it helps us relate to one another, gives us common reference points, etc. Not much point in hating on the technology that offers the options, though. Seems more like the kind of thing you fret about, marvel at for a couple decades, poke around trying to figure out whether it actually hurt anything, can't find evidence, die, and then younger people come along and worry about some new development.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

The other thing he's totally missing is that so much of what's on (for instance) blogs is basically just analysis of stuff that's still coming from major sources. I'm not sure it really changes the amount of common-culture stuff people consume -- mostly it seems to just mean that they consume lots of extra stuff coloring it. Same for music and film, really. The center still holds.

For the most part all I see this stuff doing is bringing conversation that used to go on in private out onto the public internet.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

I just said more or less the same thing. But now I will prove that when you said it, you really meant "I love the Bush administration."

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

With the decline of elite media institutions like the New York Post and TGIF sitcoms ...

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

...or "Study finds masses no longer reading Sebald because of blogs"

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reminded of people being up in arms about the quality of graphic design and magazines being ruined when desktop publushing first landed in the hands of the unwashed masses. So Quark and InDesign mean you can roll yr own. Hasn't made every printed thing out there look like poop.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

i'm assuming his concern about "the most poorly educated and inarticulate among us" having access to media platforms extends to right-wing radio call-in shows.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever blogs are, they can't be good for business.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

Blogs to Bitches

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

blogs are so punk rock, though!

(i say this with more than 50% seriousness.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't one of the points of the Republic that art should simply never be produced? or was it that the only artworks/poems that could be produced were those which glorified gods and heroes, never showing them in anything but the highest light?

lemin (lemin), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

erm, that was in reference to "WHILE SOCRATES correctly gave warning about the dangers of a society infatuated by opinion in Plato's Republic..."

lemin (lemin), Friday, 17 February 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco mostly OTM way up there. A few other thoughts...

We can help smash the elitism of the Hollywood studios and the big record labels. Our technology platform will radically democratize culture, build authentic community, create citizen media."

While I think the argument for "smashing the big record labels" has a bit more validity, I hardly see it smashing Hollywood. The most the web will do in this regard is create the word of mouth that will kill bad movies quickly and if we're lucky, make moneymakers out of smaller, niche films. But the cost of making a film -- a quality film that enough people will want to see and will, therefore, make a lasting mark in cultural consciousness -- is very high. I can't see anything on the web making it easier for more, "better" product to be made.

I am also trot out the old point that getting more people to sit alone behind their computers, even if it is to participate in the ephemeral shared "community" of ILX or wherever. Maybe there's marginally more exchange of views, but it takes some physical presence to create community.

Blogs personalize media content so that all we read are our own thoughts.

I think what the author is trying to get at is the fact that the proliferation of sources (be they source material or "coloring" as Nabisco calls it) means that I have more choices for my time. And most people aren't going to think, well, if I have time for only two magazines I'm going to read The Nation and The Weekly Standard, to get two opposing viewpoints. I'm going to read the Nation and dailykos.com. [I'm picking very simplistic examples to illustrate my point.] Not necessarily our "own" thought but similar thought.

The big problem -- and it has less to do with net culture than it does cable/satellite television -- is the simple profileration of media sources. So first of all, there's a lot of noise. Secondly, the ability of more people to have a voice, be it on 24-hour news channels, print, radio, and e-media, means that everyone is fighting for a niche. And while I wouldn't want to argue that we shouldn't have checks on the media, I think a lot of people now see this broad spectrum of opinion and feel they're all equal. If blogs can find, publish, and fume about errors at CBS, and ascribe them to political bias... the result is that no one trusts any media source.

And my gut feeling is that nine times out of ten, people refuse to believe any "fact" that doesn't agree with their own worldview. They feel the source of fact is biased, and can easily find another source that offers whatever "counter-fact" they want.

The end result of these processes are the hostility and intolerance in our (American, anyway) political culture and a parallel fracturing of common cultural touchpoints.

Or something like that.

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

I DECLARE WAR ON YOU ALL

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)

NO EXCEPTIONS

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)

ok

mod, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)

http://simpsons.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Just_Don%27t_Look

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

aw <3

take back everything I've ever said negatively abt the simpsons

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

lol in the space of 3 posts, LJ commits absolute hypocrisy :D

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.patwreck.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gif

omar little, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

ok simpsons is entertainment not mediation kthx nuff

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)

FAO Americans, this was the flashpoint: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/12/what_vince_cable_said_about_ru.html

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12048836

s m d h

smexy fishy hawt joey martin (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 19:58 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/cable_murdoch_reuters304.jpg

Murdoch's full-on looking like whashisname from Raiders of the Lost Ark here

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

Toht

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)

That was it.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:48 (fifteen years ago)

Ronald Lacey? I never figured out whether he was supposed to be Japanese.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 20:49 (fifteen years ago)

phonetic equivalent of Toht (Tod) is German for death so um probably not?

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)


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