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A lovely little collection of clips and music. I have to say I am feeling a bit emotional after watching this and I must admite I punched the air as O'Leary scored the penalty against Romania. 16 years ago though, that's scary!

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

you were what, SIX YEARS OLD? jayzus.

my memories of Italia 90 are poor because I didn't really like football much at that point.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

I still remember that penalty save too.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

I was 7! I was on the holiday for all the games except the English one, remember them well though.

I think I was sitting behind the couch when Kewin Sheedy scored against England, because the whole family was watching.

Really gutted Ireland aren't in the World Cup this summer, watching that. Crazy stuff though, football is some game!

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

funny old game etc

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

I remember N Ireland beating spain in 1982 as well.
Sadly we scots don't have much to cheer about (except when england lose obviously)
so we have to support other teams because we're so fucking useless ourselves.
xpost.

I can't get excited about the world cup when Scotland aren't in it.
I'll watch every match. But it's just not the same.
I'm sure you will feel the same Ronan.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

We were unlucky to be drawn in the same group as Costa Rica

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the World Cup is still brilliant, but nothing beats that magical summer feeling, the whole country is kind of affected by it when we're in it.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ireland 1990 vs Ireland 2002

I think the latter would win.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

the whole country is kind of affected by it when we're in it.
And depressed when we get horsed!

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ireland 2002 was strange, we were sort of possessed. Duff 2002 was just amazing. Has never played that well for Ireland since.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think anyone has :(

Matt Holland maybe.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

and O'Shea!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ireland 2002 was great

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone old enough to start a Scotland at Germany 74 thread? I was only 1!
I can only remember humiliation of Scotland at the world cups.
Now we don't even get that :(

Ronan> do any Irishmen support England at world cups? Here we will support any British/Irish team bar England. We just can't bring ourselves to yet we all support English club sides.(and dada and I can still support England at cricket)

Some say Rangers fans support England but I know loads and NONE of them support England.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Last Sunday, Old Firm game, right behind the goal - massive England Three Lions flag. Also, isn't the England strip one of the most popular sellers in Glasgow? With Rangers fans. Mind you, I think they mostly do it to annoy Celtic fans.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

I find this extraordinary!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

As for Scotland being humiliated in the World Cup - I can only think of two truly humiliating games out of how many World Cup Finals? Seven? (Those being Iran in 1978, and Costa Rica in 1990).

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Do you know, I had an anti-football rant all ready and then I watched the clip.

I know exactly what you mean Ronan!

I'm still relieved that this summer won't all be about the boys in green traitor that I am.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) as far as I am aware we're much the same: "any team but England"

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Actually do english people support Scotland?

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

... they say they do, but they're lying

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha, i support and mock them in equal measure.

Re Scotland humiliation: also Morocco in 1998. understandably forgotten tho.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Not that humiliating, Morocco were a good team, we weren't

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

i thought Scotland played better against Brazil than they did.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

We always play well against Brazil - which is just as well because we draw them every fucking time we go to a fucking World Cup

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

No other mascot will ever beat the Italia '90 mascot.

http://www.aldaver.com/Images/Wc/masc1990.gif

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

i loved this guy: http://www.worldcupsoccer.com/images/mascot86.gif

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

We always play well against Brazil - which is just as well because we draw them every fucking time we go to a fucking World Cup

And i never forgave stewart mckimmie for ballwatching in 1990!

That was some save from Mo Johnston at the end though.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

People, Ray Houghton's inexplicable 25 yard left-foot volley to beat Italy in 1994

That's what I'm talkin bout

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

I don't wanna know what was going on at Germany '74...

http://www.aldaver.com/Images/Wc/masc1974.gif

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

The header in 88 was much more enjoyable!
x-post

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

yeah Houghton's goal against Italy remains my favourite Ireland moment ever.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's a cartoon representation of the young Adolf Hitler and the young Reinhard Heydrich (xxpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Aye, nice one Ray, you shoulda been doing it for Scotland tho!!!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

That's our fault for not picking him first.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

1990 was the last time England, Ireland and Scotland appeared together in the World CUp. When do you suppose this will happen again?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I know, we were probably giving David Speedie his 70th cap at the time (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

and Brian McClair

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

But Brian McClair deserved to play for Scotland - just a pity he was rubbish when he did (see Steve Archibald, Graeme Sharp etc etc etc)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

McClair was a really good player in his prime

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

... but not for Scotland

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Was Houghton's goal against Italy a volley? I have him running in from the right and smacking a dipping shot over Walter Zenga in my mind. Am I wrong?

The Romania game is etched in my mind though, as Pat Bonner was my hero at the time.

― JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

'94 clips here, starting with Houghton's goal: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2663579516368854729&q=ireland+usa+94

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Actually do english people support Scotland?

No.

I've always had a soft spot for Wales (but not for whales). Back in 93 they nearly qualified for the World Cup - I think they still had Ian Rush, Mark Hughes, Neville Southall playing for them and a young Ryan Giggs, maybe Dean Saunders. I remember the night England played at San Marino and went a goal down after about 6 seconds, eventually we started beating them but it became clear that we couldn't qualify anyway (maybe cos Holland were winning?), so they switched over to the Wales game. I think they only had to draw, but they managed to lose 3-2. Double gutted.

I was no fan of Ireland at the end of the 80s / start of the 90s because a)we always seemed to be playing them, b)we couldn't beat them, c)they were an ugly team of cockneys and Scots with distant Irish relatives, d)Jack Charlton's shredded wheat adverts. But one of the best moments of the last World Cup was when Robbie Keane equalised in injury time against Germany.

I have no feelings about Northern Ireland at all.

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

No.

maybe it's the Irish in me.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like Scotland (the football team) because they really fucking hate us.

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

... hating the English football team is by no means confined to Scots

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

But given that, Scotland vs. England is the oldest international rivalry in world football (even if the English are so full of themselves they don't acknowledge the fact) then it might be expected, that amongst a world of England Footabll Team haters, the Scots are probably No. 1 Hataz

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Who hates England more than the Scots? (xpost)

― Tehrannosaurus HoBB (the pirate king), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

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Rumours.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

A passion for one thing doesn't need to have a hatred for another.
Also a familiarity bred of locality can will me to follow & become involved in the affairs of the England football team greater than the Costa Rican, of whom I know nothing, whilst knowing that the state based arrangements are a limiting way of engaging with the game.

― Amicose, Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

A national broadcaster has no right to be biased towards one bit of the country more than any other bit of the country. That is all.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just joshing.

That video package at the start is good, it is better watching David O'Leary kneeling on the ground, overcome after scoring his penalty than watching him stare impassively ahead as Villa play abysmally again.

Also, watching the Romania shootout again reminds me that Danut Lupu is my favourite footballer name ever.

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I agree entirely, Mark Wright must never commentate again.

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

And obviously the only practical one, Houses of Parliament games by political affiliation and Lads vs. Dads having never bred effective or entertaining sporting methods.

I think it would be an example of poor, encumbered and unfluid journalism for a commentator on a game involving the England team to continually cite the equivalent fortunes of the Scottish team. Besides an England vs. Scotland game.
I don't understand no right. What does a national broadcaster have a right to do, and from what authority does it draw them?

― Amisoce, Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want them to be mentioning Scotland all the time, FFS, I just resent the referring to England as "we" and "us" in a game that is being covered for three other countries that aren't England as well.

You're right though, public service broadcasters don't have to do anything or serve anyone or anything. Silly me, what *was* I thinking?

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

You were thinking of methods to draw the debate to an exasperated end.

― Amicose, Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Whereas you are thinking of methods to keep it going. Well done you.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ronan, what a great thread! It's amazing how exciting it still seems. I remember my Dad pacing up and down the back garden trying to get his heart rate back to normal as our team lined up for the penalties. I thought he was a bit of a freak until I heard the next day that a friend's Dad actually had a heart attack during that match and none of his family noticed!

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I've just watched it again and it's almost brought me to tears. What a summer that was...

― Lara (Lara), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose I mean that to expect very much reason and good explanation and neutrality from national broadcasters & cultures where things are delineated by place is probably a wasteful use of energies. That's a thought I'd like to keep going.

― Amicose, Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

From Liverpool v Man Utd game:

John Motson: "We all get a little worried when you see Wayne Rooney
go down injured... from an England perspective.
Mark Lawrenson: "Speak for yourself."

Lawrenson's the only one who doesn't make any pretence about being pro-England... and he's from Preston!!!! Well him and Martin O'Neill of course.

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Martin O'Neill's from Preston?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I knew some smart arse would say that

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

I felt obliged to :-)

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

'twas my fault for poor sentence construction

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't get the problem. As I said upthread:

John Motson? He is English, and if he's commentating on an England game broadcast on the BBC he's probably safe in assuming that at least 90% of his audience are English and want England to win.

So why shouldn't he be pro-English? If I tuned in to watch Scotland v Belgium (for example), with Scottish commentators and Scottish pundits, broadcasting to a predominantly Scottish audience, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they made pro-Scottish comments. I would expect it. This is what happens in every country in the world. We just have a unique situation in world football where our 'country' has four 'countries' in it, but surely it's fine for our national TV station to be pro-all four, rather than 'neutral'. I really don't see why Motson should have to pretend that neither he nor the vast majority of his viewers care, to avoid offending a handful of Scots who are only watching in the hope that England lose. I can't imagine a Scottish commentator in the situation I described above reacting to a Scottish goal by saying "and that's a goal for Scotland, which is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, let's remember plucky Belgium, and of course our cousins from England and Wales who may or may not want to see Scotland win tonight".

― Teh HoBB at work, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

but surely it's fine for our national TV station to be pro-all four

But the whole point is it isn't "pro-all four"!

I can't imagine a Scottish commentator in the situation I described above reacting to a Scottish goal by saying "and that's a goal for Scotland, which is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, let's remember plucky Belgium, and of course our cousins from England and Wales who may or may not want to see Scotland win tonight".

People in England, Wales and Northern Ireland don't watch BBC Scotland or Scottish Television

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think anyone really minds enthusiasm for England on his part as long as it doesn't include comments like "and we're all hoping Rooney stays fit" or "everyone watching at home will of course be hoping for an England victory". To his credit and iirc Motson's level of excitement when England score is not significantly greater than when other nations do (except when they're playing a Home nation obv.).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Motson's that bad, by and large!

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

To his credit and iirc Motson's level of excitement when England score is not significantly greater than when other nations do (except when they're playing a Home nation obv.).

He nearly came when Owen got the third against Argentina last year.

― Teh HoBB at work, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

presumably this means Jonno Pearce won't get to commentate an England match in the World Cup.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's amazing how clear he sounds considering he has his head stuck up Wayne Rooney's arse.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

He nearly came when Owen got the third against Argentina last year.

yes but to be fair so did Alan Hansen.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I just want England to beat Sweden so that Tyldesley or whoever can go "Alfred Nobel! Astrid Lindgren! er...Sven Goran Erikkson! Your boys took one hell of a beating!"

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Alan Hansen - he's that English guy who used to play for Liverpool isn't he?

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

People in England, Wales and Northern Ireland don't watch BBC Scotland or Scottish Television

They might do if they lived in Scotland. And they wouldn't complain about a perceived pro-Scottish bias. You live in London, don't you?

― Teh HoBB at work, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hansen is as English as Rod Stewart.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

They might do if they lived in Scotland. And they wouldn't complain about a perceived pro-Scottish bias. You live in London, don't you?

Yes but, no matter where you live, everybody in Britain gets to hear John Motson say, "If only Wayne Rooney hadn't got injured what might England have achieved at Euro 2004" EVERY FIVE MINUTES

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

If only Wayne Rooney hadn't got injured what might England have achieved at Euro 2004?

― John Motson, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

The fact that I live in London is irrelevant because, even if I lived in Glasgow, I'd still have to listen to commentators constantly referring to footballers playing for their national teams in the World Cup as Chelsea's Didier Drogba or Arsenal's Thierry Henry or Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo (but, curiously, not Celtic's Henrik Larsson (for example) (when he played for Celtic i mean))

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

pretty pointless that anyway - as if most viewers didn't know which clubs they played for.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yes but the whole point is to remind us that they're only playing at the World Cup because of their experience of playing in the Best League In The World against the Best Teams In The World (you know, Bolton Wanderers, Wigan Athletic etc etc etc)

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

dadaismus more like moron

― rasta rocket, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Haven't you heard? They call themselves Greenock Moron now.

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I have long had the feeling that the issue of biased commentators is a side issue* (or perhaps a by-product of the big problem). The big thing being that there is actually quite a high level of hatred of the English in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I think this kind of sucks but then I suppose I would. It's not my business to tell Scottish people who they should or shouldn't hate but I wish it would stop.

I was talking to a Scottish friend of mine, I can't remember who (perhaps it was someone on here), and s/he said that s/he believes that the English really hate the Scots. I was amazed, because I really don't think that's the case. But I guess it makes us about even.

*The idea that Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland TV football fans should be able to watch gibbering, frothing nationalistic TV commentary but England fans shouldn't seems peculiar to me.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think you are confusing the England football team (and rugby team) with the English nation - tho admittedly a lot of people do that, on both sides of the fence.

The idea that Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland TV football fans should be able to watch gibbering, frothing nationalistic TV commentary but England fans shouldn't seems peculiar to me

Personally, I don't like gibbering, frothing nationalistic TV commentary from anyone. You don't have gibbering, frothing partisan TV commentary in club games after all (except in European games - unfortunately).

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

It's true tho that if Scots/Welsh/N.Irish haven't got used to the fact that they have much much bigger neighbour on their doorstep by now then they never will.

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

You don't have gibbering, frothing partisan TV commentary in club games after all

haha you don't listen to Alan Green commentating on Liverpool games then?

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

You bastard! Ha ha, I was just thinking of posting that!!!!!!!

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

or Andy Grey commentating on Liverpool games to balance it out? Also - listen to Radio London as a supporter of a non-London club and hear plenty of bias there too

― Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Does Andy Gray commentate? I thought he summarised.

I don't get Sky so I don;t reay care about him (also Sky doesn't really have a public service remit innit?)

[Cabs are you not coming to popfilm tonight?]

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I was listening to Liverpool vs Chelsea on the radio the other week. It was Green, with G. Taylor as the summariser. Both were blatantly pro-Liverpool, and Taylor even referred to Liverpool as "us" at one point before stutteringly correcting himself.

The reason I make this point is that I (as someone with a mild dislike of Liverpool FC) was very conscious of this bias. More conscious, probably, than a neutral or a pro-LFC person would have been. It made me understand a little better why haters of the England side get quite so aerated about (what seems to me) uncontroversial commentary bias.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

more like no one cares

― omega-3 fatty acids, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! I am an English person living in Scotland. Lots of taxi drivers tell me that the English don't like the Scots, which seems a silly thing to say if they are looking for a tip. I normally ask them why they think I'm living here then, eh? (Ans: Diet Irn Bru and Soor Plooms.)

I have to put up with telly such as River City and a whole evening each week when every blooming thing on BBC2 is broadcast in the Gaelic Medium, and these things are more frequently on the box than the international football. I do quite like Scotland On Film, though.

When the World Cup or Euro Whatever Year is on the telly, I like to go to the Walkabout and our Australian cousins don't seem to mind their pub being overrun with whingeing poms for the evening. You can even have a kangaroo burger while you watch the match! It's the best way to experience a Walkabout, I think.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong with River City? It's better than fuggin' Eastenders!

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't trying to set up a soap rivalry; I don't think much of either of them.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, the ITV commentators on the Champions League coverage just now must have been reading this thread...straight from kick-off they were discussing whether they should be backing Arsenal as the home team or whether they should be enjoying the football played by Real Madrid (I wouldn't be cynical enough to suggest that this neutrality had anything at all to do with Jonathan Woodgate and David Beckham playing for Real Madrid at all)...

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

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