Causes of the Fall of the Soviet Union

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What do you guys think are some of the causes of the Soviet Union's fall? (Im writing a paper on it and I want more idea's than what I have)

I have:

Unrest in Soviet satellite nations
Economic struggles
The West
Stalinism
Military interference in Afghanistan and other places

mantilla, Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Rubbish pop music and comic books.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ronald Reagan's birth

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Soviet schoolchildren trying to get people to do their damn homework for them.

adam (adam), Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

okay, I'm writing all this down. thanks guys!

mantilla, Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Glasnost? (Maybe staying ideologically purer/more isolasionist would've staved of the decline for while. I don't know, this is completely off the top of my head. Sounds like an interesting project, by the way.)

chap who would dare to be hungover on the internet (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Supermodel Linda Evangelista.

Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 19 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

If Gorbachev had been as brutal and ruthless as Stalin the USSR would exist today. Gorbachev was human enough to think that a certain amount of happiness, peace and freedom were required for a country to be successful. He tried, but as he loosened the bands of the police state, the internal pressures blew it apart.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

the pope and ronald reagan joined hands and directed a mighty lightning bolt of grace and truth, causing empires to fall and freedom to spring forth unbidden like flowers after a spring rain.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

That's ridiculous! Everyone knows Reagan hand-picked an elite squad consisting of The A-Team, Rambo and KITT the talking car to bring down the USSR.

chap who would dare to be hungover on the internet (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

How about how lackadaisical a lot of the people were because they had no motivation in life?

mantilla, Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck Norris (Lock Thread)

Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Include mantilla's ignorant suggestion in your paper and you'll get an F.

Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

chap who would dare to be hungover on the internet (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... I just realized, you ARE mantilla. This doesn't bode well for this paper. Can't kids find all this information on the web nowadays?

Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

mantilla, believe me, lackadaisicality had nothing to do with it. It existed all right, but any connection it had to the dissolution of the USSR political system is nothing but a mirage in the minds of neoconservative scholastics.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

fair enough, aimless. I just thought it was a common opinion that one of the effects of a system like the one in soviet would produce a great number of unmotivated people and that would have an effect on the entire society.

mantilla, Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Not everybody in the US is prepared to get rich or die tryin', y'know.

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Agriculture.

(Follow Gorbachev's career)

mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

ROCKY IV

TOMBOT, Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't they have a bunch of overdue library books?

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Not everybody in the US is prepared to get rich or die tryin', y'know.

so fifty cent caused the fall of the USSR?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

not coincidentally (?), willie d of the geto boys now lives in azerbaijan w/ his family! it's true!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Who would win in a fight, 50 Cent or Paul Robeson?

chap who would dare to be hungover on the internet (chap), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Eis, Mantilla seemed to be under the impression that everybody living in the West was a highly motivated self-starter.

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Just consider one blindingly obvious fact: whereas the 1956 Hungarian revolt was crushed by the Soviet army, and the 1969 Czech revolt was crushed by the Soviet army, the Soviet army was not used to crush Solidarity in Poland or to stop the dismantling of the Berlin wall.

It could have been used. It would have responded, if asked. The effect would have been as powerful as the later crushing of the revolt in Tienamen Square in China. So, why didn't it happen that way?

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

the velvet underground liberated czechoslovakia. true!

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

as did frank zappa. funny that, since lou reed & frank zappa hated each other IRL.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder what bethune's opinion is on this thread's topic?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 February 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

"People not being Stalinist enough", possibly?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Not enough purges".

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget the great beet blight of '84.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Economic inefficiencies inherent in a communist system. Even without external pressure, a communist system will eventually implode because it is counter-intuitive.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

David Hasselhoff brought about the reunification of East and West Germany. You might want to put that in a footnote.

Paul Brinley (Paul B), Sunday, 19 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

People, the Soviet Union still exists. WTF?

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 19 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

everything but The West.

Under the paving stones, Paul Scholes (nordicskilla), Sunday, 19 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't the arms race of the 1980s help along the collapse of the Soviet economy?

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 19 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

And the U.S. budget deficits were funded by the Japanese buying large amounts of dollars. So the Japanese won the Cold War. But the Japanese economy may not have become so strong without the Marshall Plan and continued U.S. support and tolerance for imbalanced economic polocies. But the Marshall Plan never would have existed if not for the Soviet Union. So, indirectly the Soviet Union caused its own demise.

Case closed.

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 19 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Don't giant robots feature in all of this somewhere?

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

You are mistakenly thinking of the Fall of Rome.

Rhodia (Rhodia), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jordache Jeans

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 20 February 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose that after this week's events: danish cartoons creating uproar, the state-of-the-cheney-rove union speech, panic in detroit, etc., a lot of people are pining for the peace and public order of the former SU. This kind of ethnic and religious strife was non-existent: all religions were tolerated. Except some unorthodox sects, but they were mainly a tool of external agitators and were correctly discouraged. Say what you will about cheney-rove, he's not taking it lying down. Most of this international noise is being carefully orchestrated. This practice what you preach is what has earned cheney-rove so much grudging respect in the mid-east. Cf the french meltdown there.
-- bethune (gordi...), February 4th, 2006.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

the popularity of depeche mode

retarded and gay (bato), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

b/c yngwie unleashed the fucking fury in leningrad in 1988!

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000001FR3.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really fascinated by this bethune character - seemingly articulate and intelligent yet bafflingly miseducated and insisting on referring to "Cheney-Rove" as if it were an individual.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, yous guys. Here's the real deal. It actually happen about ten miles from my house.

From Wikipedia:

Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, Àëåêñàíäð Íèêîëàåâè÷ ßêîâëåâ (December 2, 1923 – October 18, 2005) was a Russian economist who was a Soviet governmental official in the 1980s and a member of the Politburo from 1987 to 1990. He was called the "godfather of glasnost"[1] as he is considered to be the intellectual force behind Mikhail Gorbachev reform program of glasnost and perestroika.

Early career
Yakovlev was born in Yaroslavl. He served in the Red Army during World War II and became a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1944. Beginning in 1958, he was an exchange student at Columbia University for one year.

Yakovlev served as editor of several party publications and rose to the key position of head of the CPSU's Department of Ideology and Propaganda from 1969 to 1973. In 1972 he took a bold stand by publishing an article critical of Russian chauvinism and Soviet anti-Semitism. As a result he was removed from his position and appointed as ambassador to Canada remaining at that post for a decade.

During this time, he and Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau became close friends. Trudeau's second son, Alexandre Trudeau, was given the Russian nickname "Sacha" after Yakovlev's.

In the early 1980s Yakovlev accompanied Mikhail Gorbachev, who at the time was the Soviet official in charge of agriculture on his tour of Canada. The purpose of the visit was to tour Canadian farms and agricultural institutions in the hopes of taking lessons that could be applied in the Soviet Union, however, the two renewed their earlier friendship and, tentatively at first, began to discuss the need for liberalisation in the Soviet Union.

In an interview years later, Yakovlev recalled:

At first we kind of sniffed around each other and our conversations didn't touch on serious issues. And then, verily, history plays tricks on one, we had a lot of time together as guests of then Liberal Minister of Agriculture Eugene Whelan in Canada who, himself, was too late for the reception because he was stuck with some striking farmers somewhere. So we took a long walk on that Minister's farm and, as it often happens, both of us suddenly were just kind of flooded and let go. I somehow, for some reason, threw caution to the wind and started telling him about what I considered to be utter stupidities in the area of foreign affairs, especially about those SS-20 missiles that were being stationed in Europe and a lot of other things. And he did the same thing. We were completely frank. He frankly talked about the problems in the internal situation in Russia. He was saying that under these conditions, the conditions of dictatorship and absence of freedom, the country would simply perish. So it was at that time, during our three-hour conversation, almost as if our heads were knocked together, that we poured it all out and during that three-hour conversation we actually came to agreement on all our main points. [2]
Two weeks after the visit, as a result of Gorbachev's interventions, Yakovlev was recalled from Canada and appointed to head the Academy of Sciences Institute of International Relations and the World Economy in Moscow.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 20 February 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

btw...there's a great Saturday Night article about this occurance.

peepee (peepee), Monday, 20 February 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

....documented here:

http://www.russiaprofile.org/politics/2005/10/19/252.wbp

peepee (peepee), Monday, 20 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

this russian politics professor told us it was the advent of the PC.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

In the Soviet Union, The Fall .. (can't think of an ending)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

banana peel.

Gukbe (lokar), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

And the U.S. budget deficits were funded by the Japanese buying large amounts of dollars. So the Japanese won the Cold War. But the Japanese economy may not have become so strong without the Marshall Plan and continued U.S. support and tolerance for imbalanced economic polocies. But the Marshall Plan never would have existed if not for the Soviet Union. So, indirectly the Soviet Union caused its own demise.
Case closed.

-- Super Cub (messag...), February 19th, 2006.

haha, i like this one the best. reagan spent the ussr to death.

also the muj beat the SU -- so in a way the cia and pakistani intelligence were material too.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Monday, 20 February 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

insisting on referring to "Cheney-Rove" as if it were an individual

A guess: Maybe it's a "satirical" way of referring to GWB?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Joel's "Leningrad"

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://dvdlijst2000.tripod.com/dvd_200.jpg

phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

hostile capitalist encirclement, obv.

also the goddamn kulaks.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

nineteen years pass...

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71BX7Su2OjL._SY342_.jpg

tremendous book is this. It's quite shocking even by today's decadent late capitalist standards of bad politicians, how absolutely incompetent, vain and utterly stupid Gorbachev was. Deng's son: "my dad thinks Gorbachov's policies are extremely dumb" Deng otm.

still at the part before his arrest etc with Yeltsin literally staggering more than swaggering in opposition. Yeltsin get's found by cops lying semi-conscious in a Brook under a bridge with a bouquet of flowers clenched in his hand> First he tells them not to report it, then invents a story about how a gang of thugs attacked him and threw him off the bridge!

calzino, Wednesday, 11 February 2026 10:41 (two days ago)

I have this on my "to read" shelf, must get round to it. FWIW Perry "Mr History" Anderson says that Zubok is up there with Piketty as a historian of modern times.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 February 2026 10:45 (two days ago)

ah right.. I kept seeing shitposting comrades raving about this book. Whose opinions on History profs are equally as valid as PA's imo!

calzino, Wednesday, 11 February 2026 10:50 (two days ago)

I’m not sure I can pinpoint the cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union, but I can pin a lot of our present situation on the Total Balalaika show put on by the Leningrad cowboys in 1993

Ed, Wednesday, 11 February 2026 11:36 (two days ago)


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