Guess what they just voted to do in South Dakota

ts: being aborted vs being born in south dakota

There were 800 abortions performed in South Dakota last year (pop: 770,000) according to Salon.

Let the poisons hatch out.

talk to any social worker, dude.

*shakes head*

don't worry; that ctrl-v is itchy & rarin' to go.

say, how does one rare, anyway?

It just seems to me that as far as legal protections for abortion go, that's kind of a minor issue, as I suspect that most of the abortions us pro-choicers would like to see kept legal do not involve rape, incest, etc.

Don't even joke about it. As I understand it don't they already do something about banning contraceptives in South Dakota?...sorry I'm being vague...let me check on that..,

Sorry got that slightly askew. They wanted to ban distributing contraceptives on school property but the Bill fell after it was pointed out that no-one was distributing contraceptives...you can't make this stuff up.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2006/02/23/legislature/2006/bytopic/education/news898.txt

and after that, MASTURBATION

Seriously, tho, watch out when more people start making noise about "deliberate childlessness"

("choosing to be barren", etc)

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=42385

"Contraception the root cause for the culture of death."

Wow. Heavy.

hey, if you don't have harsh punishment for people sinning(killing somebody or having sex for pleasure), society will be decadent, dog and cats will live together, etc

and yr misreading onan, and abortion is mentioned, at least obliquely, in talk of knowing in yr mothers womb, and protecting children, etc--being opposed to abortion is not outside xian heremuntics

Leviticus puts no worth on children up to a month old.

"from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver"

So, before one month...? Don't go there...

I guess he was one of those dribblers those spam e-mail messages are always warning me about.

I wonder how long before they openly go after contraceptives

Griswold, isn't it?

And thanks for all the responses.

"Unintended pregnancy in the United States is twice as high as in most of Western Europe," she said in an interview. "As a direct result, abortion rates are twice or three times as high as European countries. There is no reason why abortion rates need to be as high as they are."

The problem is particularly acute for the nation's estimated 17 million adolescent girls and low-income women, because a lack of education and money are often barriers to practicing abstinence or effective birth control.

Also, how even in other countries, criminalizing abortions doesn't actually do all that much in terms of actually reducing the number of abortions had.

The proposed ban on abortion includes no exception for rape or incest.

Oh yeah, and guess what they're planning to vote on in Missouri:

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.

[...]

The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their religious beliefs.

The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."

How can Christians be pro-life when they claim that their saviour died on a cross for their sins? Death is the pinnacle, the symbology of Christian faith. This is vile and detestable.

Give me crack and anal sex before this!

thank you, fj.

MO's House Concurrent Resolution No. 13 doesn't actually seek to name an official religion so much as argue that "that voluntary prayer in public schools and religious displays on public property are not a coalition of church and state, but rather the justified recognition of the positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours, the United States of America." Mealy-mouthed, sure -- for starters, who the heck ever prayed in school to appreciate the grand historical importance of Christianity rather than, y'know, commune with their creator? -- but it's not establishing Christianity as the Official State Religion to stand next to the Official State Motto and the Official State Amphibian. Anyway, as a concurrent resolution, it doesn't have the power to establish that anyway (I don't think): it's more like a "yeppers, we sure do all agree on this here and aren't we all SO nice for saying so" sort of thing.

This is from an ep of Newshour this week on the SoDak thing:

FRED DE SAM LAZARO: Napoli says most abortions are performed for what he calls "convenience." He insists that exceptions can be made for rape or incest under the provision that protects the mother's life. I asked him for a scenario in which an exception may be invoked.

STATE SEN. BILL NAPOLI (R): A real-life description to me would be a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated. I mean, that girl could be so messed up, physically and psychologically, that carrying that child could very well threaten her life.

The example that state senator gives seems to ring similar to how people feel about giving money to charity; it's all a matter of identification, whether you're worthy or not, and whether you "chose" this to happen so we can immediately deny any empathy to you in the name of you "accepting responsibility".

Hey, if you're some hard-workin', Dubya-votin', God-fearin' taxpayers who are out on the street since some hurricane took out your Biloxi suburb, well then you're one of us and i can easily open my wallet to give you a hand. You're poor right now and you didn't choice this station. You are worthy of empathy.

But if you're some homeless guy, or stuck in some poor-ass inner city, etc, then you're poor b/c you're choosing to be lazy, and money sent to you would just coddle you and reinforce your refusal to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Again, tying this back into the Newshour bit, they actually talk to somebody in South Dakota who is going for the procedure, who actually is poor as hell with two kids and a shit job:

"MICHELLE," PATIENT WHO TERMINATED HER PREGNANCY: It was difficult when I found out I was pregnant. I was saddened, because I knew that I'd probably have to make this decision. Like I said, I have two children, so I look into their eyes and I love them. It's been difficult, you know; it's not easy. And I don't think it's, you know, ever easy on a woman, but we need that choice.

BILL NAPOLI: When I was growing up here in the wild west, if a young man got a girl pregnant out of wedlock, they got married, and the whole darned neighborhood was involved in that wedding. I mean, you just didn't allow that sort of thing to happen, you know? I mean, they wanted that child to be brought up in a home with two parents, you know, that whole story. And so I happen to believe that can happen again.

MEMO TO GOVERNOR, S-DAK: if you had a uterus of your own, MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T BE SUCH A FUCKING CUNT.

Also what is this 'baby Moses' shit? Are we moving into Atwood territory here or WHAT?

Hear hear :/

m.

The bit in the article about the parents forcing the kids to go thru with it or threatening violence is kinda scary.

The litigation fund bill went through and was signed at the same time as the anti-abortion bill, according to NPR the other day. The identities of donors to the fund don't have to be revealed. (I don't have time to read back through the thread to see if this was already discussed.)

A "trick question" on abortion?
Call us juvenile, but this amused us.

As the religious right tees up a Supreme Court fight over abortion, some voices on the left are pushing the "life begins at conception" argument to its logical extremes. Last month at firedoglake, Jane Hamsher asked what an antiabortion person would do if he found himself in a burning fertility clinic with a 2-year-old child and a petri dish full blastulas -- and couldn't save both. Mike Stark, who runs a blog that encourages liberals to torment right-wing talk radio hosts, took up the torch by calling into WABC and putting the question to host Andrew Wilkow.

Wilkow wouldn't say what he would do. "You can put anybody in a stupid, 'Catch-22' situation," he sputtered. "What if I can grab all the petri dishes and the kid and make everybody happy? You want to know why this is idiotic? Because you're the type of person that would burn a cop at the stake in a shoot-or-not-shoot situation where they have one Mississippi to make a decision, and you want me to tell you what I'd do in a burning building situation?"

When Stark suggested that Wilkow, like anyone else, would rescue the 2-year-old, Wilkow exploded. "You don't know what I would do. You don't know a clue about what I'd do ... Shut up for a second ... Shut your mouth for a second, OK? This is what's bothering you. You can't storm in and tell me what I'd do and then tell me what you know that I would do and then tell me who I am. You don't know me. You can't tell me how to think ... Because you don't know. Don't tell me what I would do and what I wouldn't do based on your preconceived notions of stereotypical conservatives."

After he hung up on Stark, Wilkow said he'd been victimized by a "preconceived, trick-question scenario." But of course, there is a right answer -- at least if you really believe that those five blastulas are every bit as alive as that 2-year-old child.

i know, right? have y'all read the recent New Yorker article about the Bush administration + abstinence politics? (it's more broadly about the administration's antiscientific politics, but the abstinence movement is a huge part of it.) it will make you want to tear out your hair. (one factoid that stuck in my mind: the CDC removed a fact sheet about condoms from its website for a year under Bush). i don't know how to argue with such people; they seem to lobby/legislate from a position of vengeance.

uhm, what? the criticisms about the blocking of emergency contraception are aimed at the federal level, tho they are tied into this deal(two sides of the same fetus)

Also, apparently there's something afoot in Indiana to try to pull the South Dakota thing...

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - An attempt to resume state spending on birth control got shot down Wednesday by House members who argued it would have amounted to an endorsement of promiscuous lifestyles.
Missouri stopped providing money for family planning and certain women's health services when Republicans gained control of both chambers of the Legislature in 2003.

[....]

Missouri Right to Life said it was concerned with the contraception language because it was loosely written and could have included emergency contraception - often referred to as the morning-after pill.

The Missouri Catholic Conference also opposed the birth control funding.

"State taxpayers should not be required to subsidize activities they believe are immoral or unethical, relating to contraceptives or abortions," said Larry Weber, executive director of the state Catholic Conference.

I hope this happens, but this woman is already great just for saying she'll do it.

"hella"

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From: Jerry Falwell

Date: September 14, 2006

South Dakota Pro-Lifers Face Off Against Planned Parenthood

The pro-life movement in South Dakota needs your help. In a moment, I'll tell you how you can help, but first, please allow me to explain the situation in the state.

Abortion-rights advocates have gotten a measure on the November ballot that, if passed, would repeal the state law (HB 1215) forbidding all abortions, except those that would save the life of a mother. The ban, which hasn't yet taken effect, will be activated if it passes the ballot initiative (even though it would likely would be challenged in the courts). The law states that individuals performing abortions would be fined $5,000 and be jailed for five years.

Here's the key problem: Planned Parenthood is now pouring money into the state, in hopes of killing this legislation without having to go to court.

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Dr. Allen Unruh, of the South Dakota pro-life organization Vote Yes for Life (www.voteyesforlife.com), tells me that Planned Parenthood panicked after HB 1215 was passed in both state houses and Gov. Mike Rounds signed it into law. The state house voted 50 to 18 in favor of the bill, while the state senate passed it 23 to 12.

Dr. Unruh says the organization is mounting an $8 million media blitz over the next two months. He tells me this is a major propaganda campaign to demonize and distort the language on the ban on abortion in South Dakota.

Pro-life leaders in the state are now trying to raise funds to counter Planned Parenthood's campaign to defeat the law. They are now attempting to raise $4 million to offset Planned Parenthood's campaign to radical political agenda.

That's where I hope you will step in. I have told Dr. Unruh and his team that I will do my best to deliver thousands of people who will financially help to win this historic battle. We have to raise $4 million dollars -- very quickly -- in South Dakota to counter the propaganda Planned Parenthood will be putting on the airwaves prior to the November election.

Dr. Unruh and I believe that if there were ever a time when Christians need to invest in a pro-life effort, the time is now and the place is South Dakota. If the state wins this battle, other states could follow South Dakota's lead in the future, also determining to outlaw abortion.

I am urging my friends across the country to give generously to this vital campaign.

What happens in South Dakota will literally affect the future of America.

Make all checks out to: voteyesforlife.com

Donations may be sent to:

Vote Yes for Life

600 N. Western Ave.

Sioux Falls, SD 57104

Readers interested in learning more about this campaign may visit the website www.voteyesforlife.com/