the ACLU & effective framing of privacy rights issues

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is this ad persuasive? if not, what is?

,,,,,,,, Friday, 24 February 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

It's like the opening of Snow Crash but not funny.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

its so fucking looooooong

,,,,,,,,,,,, Friday, 24 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

That's for goddamn sure. Are they actually running this on TV?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

it's nice that they're trying to be funny instead of the sort of stern fearmongering that was par for the course when I was a teenager (b&w photos of bookburnings 'n' shit) but it's not persuasive precisely because that scenario isn't what TIA stuff looks like in practice - the very thing people are afraid of is not knowing whether people know shit about them I think

to answer your more important question, I have no idea how to persuade people that civil liberties are important, and neither does the aclu

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

The ACLU is the most fascist organization I've seen in decades. They want to tell you how to live. They don’t want to abide by the Constitution. They want to go around the Constitution. They’re intellectual fascists, and they use the courts as their Panzer divisions.

,,,,,,,,,, Friday, 24 February 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

5/10

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Are people more worried about the dispatcher at a pizza place than about the government? I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Uuuuhhh... I think that's the point? The government already has it. Do you want your local pizza parlor to get it, too? Actually, if you have a Nectar card, they probably already do. Never mind.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Where ordering pizza means you might die:

http://www.recommendedbuys.co.uk/images/fairgame.gif

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

The ACLU is the most fascist organization I've seen in decades. They want to tell you how to live. They don’t want to abide by the Constitution. They want to go around the Constitution. They’re intellectual fascists, and they use the courts as their Panzer divisions.

is this Coulter or something? I really love "the most fascist organization I've seen in decades" line, it's like the author has a list he/she keeps in a notebook marked "Fascist Organizations I Have Seen In My LIfe" with fascism percentages next to the names or something.

I guess us aging lefties don't really get to complain about misuse of the word "fascist" though

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

It's funny how easily that ad could have come from a right-wing group with a few alterations - damn big-government liberals keeping tabs on your health with commie medical care, tofu and sprouts over meat, the delivery surcharge becomes a pansy-liberal gas thing.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

"ACLU Defends Klan's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

oh please, since when was tofu ever cheaper than meat at a restaurant? it always costs MORE.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

I think this ad is fucking terrible, like one of the worst things I've ever seen.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:51 (twenty years ago)

But I guess maybe it's aimed at the "double meat" demographic and not at me.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:52 (twenty years ago)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/polyphonique/ride_with_hitler.jpg

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

ROFFLE! Is that something you did in response to the "Meat is Hitler" thing?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:14 (twenty years ago)

polyphonic did it after i asked if someone could. it is magnificent, is it not?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:18 (twenty years ago)

The "pork brains" is an especially nice touch.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:30 (twenty years ago)

What kind of responses were you expecting to get to this question?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:09 (twenty years ago)

this is kind of an anthony thing to say, but I'd like some kind of Ethan mission statement, because I am confused.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:10 (twenty years ago)

anyway seriously i think the aclu could go way more populist-libertarian in their message than even this.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 25 February 2006 06:11 (twenty years ago)

It's funny how easily that ad could have come from a right-wing group with a few alterations

Pizza girl says "eh" = IT WILL BE LIKE CANADA, get it???

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:24 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/jaxthehipster/dilbert2006021523379.jpg

cksdfjgkfdj, Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

For the record I thought it was kinda funny (though yeah, way too long), and I can definitely see the persuasive aspect. I think the idea is lots of privacy issues seem mostly like abstractions and matters of principle to lots of people (e.g. "I don't check out anything weird from the library, so I guess I don't really care) -- but have you noticed how annoyed middle-class people over the age of 40 get when they have to do a bunch of bureaucratic personal-information stuff with businesses? (Especially in that "for god's sake, I just want to buy a pizza" way?) I mean, this is aiming at the same annoyance people have over junk mail and telemarketing, which for lots of Americans somehow feels way more visceral and important than even shit like wiretapping.

The problem with that approach is that it's totally off the mark of what "privacy issues" actually constitute. Hence, I guess, that idea that it could just as easily come from the right -- all it's tapping into is the fact that people get really prickly about feeling like they're getting bossed around or monitored or supervised by anyone. Whereas yeah, the really important privacy issues lately are the ones where you don't know about them or get hassled by them at all, or at least not until you're suddenly being questioned for something.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
It's time to stand up against the government's flagrant abuses of power. Join ACLU activists and members this month to Stand Up for Freedom and Stop the Abuse of Power!

* Join in our Lobby Day and meet lawmakers to speak out about military tribunals for detainees, illegal spying, torture, CIA kidnapping and other fundamental civil liberties issues.
* Participate in our Action Center: Get educated on the issues, learn how to be a more effective activist, advocate or grassroots leader.
* Hear from leaders and experts including Ret. Ambassador Joe Wilson, John W. Dean, and Justice Antonin Scalia!

and what (ooo), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

scalia often votes in favor of personal liberty/privacy. he's the one that ruled that you need a search warrant to put a thermal imaging device in someone's home (see: fourth amendment).

ram jam holder (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, only cause dude be growin' herb in his bedroom closet!


J (Jay), Monday, 9 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

via Greenwald; ACLU issues a report on the erosion of civil liberties in the last decade:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/07/liberties/index.html

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

uh

paging, maybe Elvis Telecom here?

from Ron Wyden, one of our Oregon senators:

An obscure committee in the federal bureaucracy recently voted to allow the FBI to hack into your personal devices and access your personal data without obtaining an individual warrant to do so.

The changes approved by the Judicial Conference Advisory Committee on Criminal Rules to what is known as “Rule 41” would allow the government to get a single warrant to hack into an unlimited number of computers and digital devices owned by law-abiding Americans if their device was merely affected by criminal activity.

This dramatic and constitutionally questionable expansion of the government’s hacking and surveillance authority is poised to go into effect on December 1 – unless Congress acts. Such a change should be debated by Congress in the light of day – not handed down by unelected bureaucrats.

I’ve introduced the Stopping Mass Hacking Act to stop these changes. Congress must pass this bill to stop this dangerous change!

https://standtallforamerica.com/petition/stop-mass-hacking/a/

sleeve, Friday, 18 November 2016 05:29 (nine years ago)

the EFF has an overview: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/rule-41-little-known-committee-proposes-grant-new-hacking-powers-government

El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 02:40 (nine years ago)

IANAL but this appears to mostly clarify and adjust procedures for sections of Title II of the PATRIOT Act not so much add new sweeping authorities. That said I am glad smarter people than me are looking into it.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 02:59 (nine years ago)

a libertarian friend's bleak take: "Basically, they want to make legal what they're doing already because they got tired of having to get warrants after-the-fact, seems to me."

sleeve, Saturday, 19 November 2016 03:14 (nine years ago)

that's really not how the courts work but sure

El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 05:23 (nine years ago)


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