The war of 1812

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We kicked your ass
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― anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Eh? So Washington got burned and all the anarchists born too late missed it, who gives a flying one?

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The what?? And me a historian, too.

― Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Pretty inconsequential really.

― DG, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

We got the Star Spangled Banner out of that one, right? Dud.

― Kris, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

And the 1812 Overture?

― Madchen, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

No, the 1812 Overture came out of the Napoleonic Wars, to which the War of 1812 is - if I remember what it is right - a kind of sideshow (Nap Wars being the actual second world war - WWII is more properly the fourth*)

― Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Would the Seven Years War be the first?

― Steven James, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Boring.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

War of 1812 produced that Battle of New Orleans song by Johnny Horton. Had things like the British running through the bramble. Bramble is the new Black.

― Steven James, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The Seven Years was much earlier (called the French and Indian War in US) and resulting in the French leaving Canada (well, politically anyway) and took place years before the American Revolution. The war of 1812 did go on at the same time as the Napoleonic War, and the 1812 Oveture is by Tchaikovsky, and celebrates the victory over Napoleon in Russia. The British were more concerned with France and Napoleon at the time, so the "American War of 1812" wasn't that important to them at the time.

So again it was a case of the French helping out the young U.S.-hey that includes Napoleon selling Louisiana to the Americans to raise money for his European wars (Louisiana having been regained from Spain when Napoleon occupied the Iberian Peninsula.

Why are we talking about this again?

― tOM p, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

becasue someone said their ILM taboo was the 1812 war .

― anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hopefully Mike H will post here. It's good therapy.

― Steven James, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

indeed, the war of 1812 was a consequence of the napoleanic war...because the british royal navy was very weary of neutral ships reaching Europe, it attacked all ships including American...and kidnapped so-called british deserters off american ships. The US senate thus wanted revenge on the british government but did not have the power or capacity to attack Britian itself...Britain being way to powerful and all...thus, they decided to attack British North America aka Canada. The war started in 1812 and ended in 1815. the Americans first invaded upper Canada...but with help of the natives, the canadians repelled the attack. And when the americans decided to invade Montreal, the french Canadians with a force outnumbered 5 to 1 destroyed the bloody american invaders, which led to the canadians invasion of the USA and the burning of Fort Washington. The war ended in 1815, both americans and canadians beleived they won the war. But let's get things straight, the americans started the war, and invaded us...we kick you out and invaded you thereafter...and the battle of new orleans you won...well...peace was signed in britain a feww weeks before but didn't reack north america in time...thus the battle was a dud, and had no consequences...so there you go, take it from me...this is why and how the war took place...for more info. e-mail me...

― max, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

You are a history major arent you Max ? Brillant Summary. We learn about as matter of course in Socail Studies

― anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Which bit is "Upper Canada" and — unless it is merely a silly name — why the fuXoR did the Americans not invade LOWER Canada first?

― mark s, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Upper Canada is further up St Lawrence River and so easier to get to, no tramping through Maine for many miles first.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

This is so neat telling everyone about Canadian History.
I love Canada .

― anthony, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

'ah, but we saved YOUR ass in world war three!'

everything i know about england i learned from that simpsons episode set in the future where lisa almost gets married. the part when the guy's father says lisa's weak chuckle is a 'boisterous american laugh' sums up everything robin hates about the simpsons, i suppose.

― ethan, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hey, I like the Simpsons. The only Murdoch product I've never boycotted, and that's saying something from me :).

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Max, I thought that it was the burning of City Hall in Toronto (then called York) which led to the Canadian invasion of the US. And *that* is why the White House is white, because they had to paint it white to cover up the scorch marks where the Canadian troops tried to burn it down.

― MarkH, Wednesday, 18 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I refuse to post on this thread

― Mike Hanle y, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

six months pass...

technically there was no winner - but canada won morally in being able to defend thier land

― Dai Gui, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hmmm That's weird, I thought the year was 1814???

― Gale, Saturday, 9 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

eight months pass...

1812-1814-Mark the City Hall in Toronto was burned by a couple of anarchist alcoholics who got drunk and decided they didn't like their government. A completely internal matter that had nothing to do with America. Besides the next day they all got hanged outside the building they had burned down the night before. The white house on the otherhand was burned down by the british in 1814.

― Some Person et cetera, Friday, 1 November 2002 02:36 (twenty-two years ago) link

The town of York was razed by American forces that sailed across Lake Ontario. Don't know about city hall. Don't even know if York was incorporated by then.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 1 November 2002 03:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

a couple of anarchist alcoholics

What happens when the wrong sort of Flux of Pink Indians fans time-travel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 16:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Twittergasp from the Brit embassy:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2014/08/commemorating.html

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link

is max upthread our max?

― Mordy, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link

in 2001, p sure no

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:55 (ten years ago) link

also that one seems not to be from NJ

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 August 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link

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